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Do you guys realize how panicky and defensive you look right now lol?

A couple posts mention in passing about FFXI being a good bang for your buck right now, and you go to town bashing it, maneuvering to get off the topic off the $25 FFXIV horses.

Well, at least for now, $E hasn't installed a cash shop into FFXI, and sorry, but Mizuta is an artist - Soken is a (bad) impressionist. So those are at least 2 things FFXI has on FFXIV even so many years later. But no there is no competition.

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 5:07pm by lass5

I'm not really picking on FFXIV, I assure you I was on the GameFAQs forums causing a ruckus over XIII-2/Lightning Returns DLC and pricing.

HAVING SAID THAT! $25 for a horse, neigh the sloppily detached half of a pre-existing boss already in the game, is an all new low for $E.

it is almost as if Naoki Yoshida has presented his a$$ to me and demanded that I kiss it and he's saying "I do what I want! and you're gonna like it!"

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 5:22pm by lass5

Don't feel bad. He's just kind of streaming why XIV is run by evil, money-grubbing sleaze bags, but XI is awesome in spite of being owned by the same evil, money-grubbing sleaze bags.

No one's really bashed XI here. Some have said the music was repetitive and some zones had no music. That's it. Then someone said they have no time for 2 mmo's, then another said it gets frequent updates. Music is almost 100% opinion, there's a reason there's hundreds of genres out there that several different people listen to. What I get out of a certain song is probably not what you'll get out of it, and that goes for XI vs XIV.

Most of the bashing has been Yoshi-P, DRK, Cash shop, XIV's "bland" areas, etc I can assure you 95% of the forum users here played XI, for a long time, a very very long time. Some have even gone back, some are even contemplating going back. But we allll want to bash it.

25 bucks for a mount... can I at least get the other 4 legs with that?

Kinda surprised it took as long as it did for the mention of XI zones without any music at all. x.x

You'll probably find some common likes among people who played it. Stuff like the Ronf theme, Zi'tah, and a few others, but I've also seen no shortage of people in the past say they just mute the sh*t and load up Winamp or whatever the cool kids are using as MP3 players these days. So, music-less zones aside, if I had to give XI one really big knock on its soundtrack, it'd be how artificial the instrumentation is. It's like the musical equivalent of the uncanny valley at times.

Right now, I'd say XIV is being more bold. Though, I think something people need to be careful about in wishes for their MMO is to remember that it's usually meant to be more ambient. Something like the primal themes would just agitate people for zone music. This isn't to say XIV always succeeds in their choices, but that's just part of the creative process and over time we'll see people picking their own favorites.

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 6:37pm by Seriha

I remember reading through a several hundred post thread earlier this year in which you and others discussed free to play games and you were probably the most vehemently against cash shop items of anyone in that thread. IIRC you didn't exactly hold back your thoughts on other games so I'm not sure why you'd expect others to hold back their opinions on FFXIV, especially when it's the exact same topic being discussed.

There are some who like the idea of a game that they just throw money at every month and get to enjoy the content that the game provides. Some who would be willing to pay a premium over the sea of free to play games so that they don't have to deal with tacky in game stores to reap all that the game offers. (Edit: By the way, I'm not trying to imply that free to play games are bad, but that the in game store is the negative to counter the positive of having complete payment freedom from a consumer perspective) Aside from a few collector's addition bonuses, FFXIV appealed to gamers who want that type of experience before because it actually offered it. With retainers kicking it off in middle of this year and the full blown cash shop being introduced now, it no longer does. If there's anyone who chose this game over other cash shop games specifically because it didn't try to extract ridiculous amounts of money for in game goodies as a cheap and easy cash grab (and I'd imagine there are, considering that this is becoming the norm), those types of players who formerly enjoyed the model FFXIV had set up may understandably dislike what they're doing now.

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 7:40pm by Susanoh

What you're saying now seems to heavily contrast what I remember from that thread. I mean, skimming over a little bit, I can find comments like:



This is a pretty harsh statement and it's pretty black and white, and I actually agree with it. I agree when it comes to SWTOR, and I agree when it comes to FFXIV. The only exception I can think of is full blown massive content updates along the lines of an expansion. To charge $25 for a single mount, though, is absolutely laughable.

Are you trying to imply with your second point that we shouldn't criticize a game on its home board? Because that would make for some really awful discussion, and the board would just be one big echo chamber. If you actively play or even just actively follow the happenings of GW2 and you're genuinely interested in the direction the game is headed, honestly, go criticize. Have a ball. There's a chance you could contribute to making the game better.

Filth, it's just like how I've come to expect you to put words in other people's mouths. Without that, you wouldn't have much to say sometimes.



OMG, you put words in my mouth again!!! Jesus, Filth, is there no end to your ridiculousness? I don't care about mounts, so this doesn't interfere with my gameplay. Jesus, man. LOL.

You guys are cherry picking from a long thread (and one of several discussions we've had on this board). After we hashed things out a bit, my stance was (clearly) that I'm not blindly against cash shops, and that I wouldn't be against a cash shop that didn't interfere with my gameplay.

After hashing things out, I also made clear that I wouldn't immediately quit a game EVEN IF IT WENT F2P. I'd wait and see how that played out, then make a decision based on the merits of the game and how it fit in with my gameplay.

The ARR cash shop doesn't interfere with my game play, nor is the game following any of the design tenants of a F2P model. It's just a few minions and a single mount; otherwise, it's stuff I could have obtained in game if I would have cared enough to obtain it.



And yes, my perspective does evolve. That tends to happen when I listen to what others have to say and think about my views. Yes, I know... "thinking." It's definitely something "some people" in this thread don't seem to do too often.

EDIT: Here you guys go, just to completely squash this entire stupid argument. This is me, back in February, responding to someone in that long thread about whether a cash shop would be a "deal breaker" for me:





I'm OK with ARR's cash shop, even if we are paying a sub fee. As I've already said... it's very small and has nothing but minions, a mount and some costume stuff that used to be in-game. Perhaps I'd care more if the cash shop had things I cared more about... however, I literally never pull out minions and I really only ever use my chocobo, and the stuff I do care about -- event items and such -- will be available in the game before they're put on the cash shop. So my apologies if I find myself unable to manufacture some kind of self-righteous rage over this.

As I said back in February, I don't pick and choose games based on their payment models. I make decisions based on the bigger pictures. While I'd rather play a game with no cash shop at all, I'm the kind of person who takes a "wait and see" approach, rather than a "kick and scream, then see" approach.

Now, onto this last little bit:

Not at all... criticism is good. Criticism is interesting. Criticism spurs discussion.

However, people who do nothing but whine, complain and throw around strawman arguments by putting words in other people's mouths are annoying. And there's really no need for it, because I'm pretty sure most people in this community are actually a) intelligent and b) older. This kind of behavior isn't interesting, and it doesn't spur discussion. It's just pitiful.



Edited, Oct 28th 2014 7:21pm by Thayos

I can't stand people who stay stupid stuff like that. Don't listen to them.

I do understand this. That's why I don't criticize people for buying things in cash shops. That's why, just several posts back in this thread, I sympathize with lass, even though I disagree with a lot of other things he says.

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