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#177REDACTED, Posted: Oct 28 2014 at 9:56 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Um, they just a $25 mount cash shop, same exact pricing as WoW.
#178 Oct 28 2014 at 10:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Um, they just a $25 mount cash shop, same exact pricing as WoW.

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You're going off the rails.

Could it be that the $25 is based more on market research? Naaaaaaaaah!!!!

Also, dark knight as a tank isn't new to the FF franchise... although without knowing anything real about you, there's a chance you weren't alive the last time SE (Square) made a tanky dark knight.

Speaking of copying, you seem to be copying a couple of other posters who I remember from awhile back. Smiley: wink

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 9:07am by Thayos
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#179 Oct 28 2014 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh noes, now anything with flying mounts or blood tanks is copying teh WOWz!


Yoshida was quite transparent about Copying WoW though. Even copied some features poorly. Hell, in the year he had the dev team play WoW it shows in most areas of ARR lol.

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 9:10am by Theonehio
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Good artists create. Great artists steal. If you're going to liberally borrow from another MMORPG, I would think you could do far worse than to liberally borrow from the most successful one in recent memory.

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plus the new expansion has very good music, which makes FFXIV's look really bad imo.

Aside from musical tastes being purely subjective, I don't remember any music from XI being nearly as awesome as the BGM for Titan or Garuda in XIV. I did Ultima HM, Garuda EX and Titan EX all in a row with friends the other night. It was one awesome track after another that night.
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Most of the Primal songs outside of Ifrit are basically rock songs - If you dislike rock, you'll dislike it. Most of XI's music is more..RPG type music.
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#182 Oct 28 2014 at 10:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yoshida was quite transparent about Copying WoW though. Even copied some features poorly. ****, in the year he had the dev team play WoW it shows in most areas of ARR lol.


Actually, he never said his team copied WoW.

He said he had his team play WoW, and that his team built the game on industry norms established by numerous successful mainstream MMOs over the years.

But people start jumping the shark when they make claims like "FFXIV is copying WoW for having a drk tank!!" That just cracks me up. SE had a drk tank before most WoW players were fetuses. Smiley: lol


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Aside from musical tastes being purely subjective, I don't remember any music from XI being nearly as awesome as the BGM for Titan or Garuda in XIV. I did Ultima HM, Garuda EX and Titan EX all in a row with friends the other night. It was one awesome track after another that night.


Music can be extremely nostalgic. When we hear those old FFXI tunes, we can't help but think of our early days playing MMOs. And there were some good soundtracks in FFXI, for sure. The Sanctuary of Zi'Tah, the CoP theme, the Alexander battle music... definitely some good soundtracks.

But FFXIV has some awesome tracks, too. My favorite so far may be the Levi Ex music... the main theme song is equal with the CoP theme, imo... and yes, the Garuda music is great, too. The music in the cities is much more lively than the town music in XI (though I'll always have a soft spot for the Windurst theme).

Of course, all of those cool FFXIV themes were probably copied from WoW, right?

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#183 Oct 28 2014 at 10:25 AM Rating: Default
I'm trying to make light of a bad situation.

I already stated this in another thread, I'm one of those guys who goes around collecting everything and that's what makes these kinds of games fun for me, collecting the "shinies", and now some of those shinies are $25 a pop even though I'm already paying a monthly subscription fee.

You can say anything you want about me and make a joke out of me and today, they still added a cash shop to Final Fantasy XIV with $25 cash shop-exclusive mounts...

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 12:29pm by lass5
#184 Oct 28 2014 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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I already stated this in another thread, I'm one of those guys who goes around collecting everything and that's what makes these kinds of games fun for me, collecting the "shinies", and some of those shinies are $25 a pop even though I'm already paying a monthly subscription fee.


In that case, I feel for you. I'd be upset too if I genuinely felt my personal in-game completion was locked in a cash shop.
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#185 Oct 28 2014 at 10:32 AM Rating: Default
Thank you. All I can do is not buy it, but a lot of people are. Which means more of it coming.

On the official forum, the community is already being nasty about it on both sides, with one poster posting "Sorry that you can't afford it and thus are angry " poking fun at people like me, and other posters insisting that we shun & refuse to play with anyone who buys the $25 mounts, which is ridiculous too.

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 12:36pm by lass5
#186 Oct 28 2014 at 10:42 AM Rating: Excellent
The thing about cash shops is that most people don't buy from them. They depend on a very small minority of players who will open their wallets and buy just about anything. That's why something as insignificant as a mount has such a big price tag (2.5 months of my Legacy subscription fee vs. one mount that doesn't really do anything).

Doesn't surprise me that people on the OFs are eating each other today... then again, it's the official forums. Yoshi-P could announce he's mailing gold bricks to every FFXIV subscriber and people would still find things to complain about.
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#187 Oct 28 2014 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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Aside from musical tastes being purely subjective, I don't remember any music from XI being nearly as awesome as the BGM for Titan or Garuda in XIV. I did Ultima HM, Garuda EX and Titan EX all in a row with friends the other night. It was one awesome track after another that night.


Music can be extremely nostalgic. When we hear those old FFXI tunes, we can't help but think of our early days playing MMOs. And there were some good soundtracks in FFXI, for sure. The Sanctuary of Zi'Tah, the CoP theme, the Alexander battle music... definitely some good soundtracks.

But FFXIV has some awesome tracks, too. My favorite so far may be the Levi Ex music... the main theme song is equal with the CoP theme, imo... and yes, the Garuda music is great, too. The music in the cities is much more lively than the town music in XI (though I'll always have a soft spot for the Windurst theme).

Of course, all of those cool FFXIV themes were probably copied from WoW, right?

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 9:25am by Thayos


Same here when it comes too Windurst, but that was the city I chose to be from in the game..... I also liked Sandoria because the music fits the city..
My favorite music was the music in Jeuno at Christmas "Starlight Celebration"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4m8w9xkelw
Or the music when you first enter dynamis.

I liked the music in FFXI because most of it was really different from zone to zone.. The music in FFXIV is more epic and more orchestrated but allot of it just runs together, I just cant ell the difference from song to song...
I like some of the FFXIV music allot but if you were to play most of it I could not tell you where it is from, as soon as I hear a song from FFXI I know exactly... Each song is just so different from each other.
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#188 Oct 28 2014 at 10:58 AM Rating: Excellent
I have built up that music recognition in xiv, but I also play quite a bit.

One thing I actually liked a lot about xi was that some zones had no music at all.
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#189 Oct 28 2014 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yoshi-P could announce he's mailing gold bricks paint to every FFXIV subscriber and people would still find things to complain about.


FTFY
#190 Oct 28 2014 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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You can say anything you want about me and make a joke out of me and today, they still added a cash shop to Final Fantasy XIV with $25 cash shop-exclusive mounts...

I was sifting through the patch notes early this morning and I could be way off because I was tired but... did they really add in this mount before they even added Odin to the game? I guess they leave themselves room to add it to the Odin challenge based on what type of backlash they get, but damn... it seems like even more of a cash grab now.

I also need to apologize. I kept saying '10 dollar mount' earlier in this thread and I was way off.
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Odin has been in the game since August 2013. The only reason people knew of the Odin trial was because of Dat mining, since it was a fan fest exclusive event.

As I said before: If they had any intention on us getting Sleipnir, he would have been in Odin's Drop pool for the FATE or added to the Loot List of Odin Mantles by now.

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I have been playing FFXI again as a new Blue Mage. I had to take a short break but I'm def going back soon. I just beat the BLU version of the Maat fight, which took 3 tries, so pretty soon I'll be advancing into 75+ territory for the first time.

plus the new expansion has very good music, which makes FFXIV's look really bad imo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J283Huf1axY

Logging into FFXIV after revisiting FFXI, the world of Eorzea seems almost tacky and hoaky, as if it is a poor imitation of some other game. Perhaps, another game with flying mounts and $30 US dollar virtual horses, and where the 2h sword wielding dark knights are blood tanks. If you're catching my drift *wink wink*


That track you linked to is good in of itself but it gets repetitious fast, esp if you do your Mog Garden stuff every day.

XIV's music, some of the tracks I love (don't know the OST names, sorry):

1). Thanalan (Day)
2). Garuda (Love the Castlevania-like opening!)
3). FATE Miniboss
4). The opening to the normal battle theme in Coerthas (puts a unique spin on the classic theme you've heard through all the FF games)
5). Limsa Lominsa (Day) (if you don't get a sense of "awesome" when stepping into Limsa Lominsa during the day, then I dunno what to say)

These tracks are... "bad"? WTF? lol.

I think you're just reaching for things to whine about. If you love everything about FFXI so much, and if FFXIV's gameplay, its updates, even its music is so inferior to FFXI's..... then What the f*ck are you doing in XIV's forums then!?!?

Seriously, dude. You love XI so much more than XIV, go play XI! Nobody's going to make fun of you. Go on, shoo.
#193Theonehio, Posted: Oct 28 2014 at 1:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) People get so butthurt over XI it's amazing lol. In all actuality, XIV's music gets repetitive as **** because most of it is only a short loop, so it's literally the same short loop over and over when it does actually kick in. The irony of your statement though, Lyrailis, is say wtf to the tracks being "bad" but in the same post state that XI's music get reptitive, meaning you question someone stating XIV's music is bad and in the same breath question someone stating XI's music is good by saying it gets repetitive fast, then tell them they're just finding something to complain about simply because you disagree with them.
#194REDACTED, Posted: Oct 28 2014 at 1:53 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Twenty four united states dollars
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People get so butthurt over XI it's amazing lol. In all actuality, XIV's music gets repetitive as **** because most of it is only a short loop, so it's literally the same short loop over and over when it does actually kick in. The irony of your statement though, Lyrailis, is say wtf to the tracks being "bad" but in the same post state that XI's music get reptitive, meaning you question someone stating XIV's music is bad and in the same breath question someone stating XI's music is good by saying it gets repetitive fast, then tell them they're just finding something to complain about simply because you disagree with them.


I'm not the one endlessly whining about a game in that game's forums, am I? No, I'm not. I'm not the one preaching another game in a game's forum, am I?

No, I'm not.

And I love your Word Salad Post, btw.

lol.

I'm not even sure what to make out of the last couple lines. XI's music is good, XIV's music is good too. Some of the tracks have shorter loops than they should, true. However, some of those loops sound awesome when they do play, such as the ones I mentioned above.

Lass5 whines about XIV constantly. Nearly every single aspect of XIV. Music, Development, just about every part of XIV this person complains about. He complains so much about it, that it seems like he actually hates everything about this game.

My question is......if he hates everything having to do with FF14, then why is he playing it and/or why is he even posting here, then?

It isn't because "I disagree with him", it is because all I see is whine whine whine whine coming from his keyboard.

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Twenty four united states dollars


You could....

1). Continue to play XIV and pay your monthly sub and keep whining even though you appear to hate the experience wholly

or

2). Pony up the $24 and play XI which you apparently love the look/sound of

You're saying $24 is too much for an "upgrade" in your personal gaming experience?

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 4:06pm by Lyrailis
#196REDACTED, Posted: Oct 28 2014 at 2:07 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LOL!
#197 Oct 28 2014 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
Theonehio wrote:
People get so butthurt over XI it's amazing lol. In all actuality, XIV's music gets repetitive as **** because most of it is only a short loop, so it's literally the same short loop over and over when it does actually kick in. The irony of your statement though, Lyrailis, is say wtf to the tracks being "bad" but in the same post state that XI's music get reptitive, meaning you question someone stating XIV's music is bad and in the same breath question someone stating XI's music is good by saying it gets repetitive fast, then tell them they're just finding something to complain about simply because you disagree with them.


Speaking of FFXI's inferiority, the fact each zone has a single track that plays the whole time you're in that zone is what makes XI's music incredibly repetitive. ARR's music is more condensed and limited so even if you're in one zone you'll only hear a track if you go to a certain part of said zone. Vanilla XI was the most brutal - so few zones, so many repeated tracks. XIV's "problem" is that it's vanilla, there's so few zones. Once the game grows in size, though, it will completely annihilate XI like it does with everything else.

That said, XIV can't beat the nostalgy of standing in Ru'Lude for hours waiting for a party invite as one of the 'bad' jobs. Job balance is so overrated. Oh, also can't beat having four roles making the party system so rigid you can't do crap without select few jobs you need for everything. Lacking one of the four roles are you? Tough luck.

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 8:18pm by Hyanmen
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Speaking of FFXI's inferiority, the fact each zone has a single track that plays the whole time you're in that zone is what makes XI's music incredibly repetitive. ARR's music is more condensed and limited so even if you're in one zone you'll only hear a track if you go to a certain part of said zone. Vanilla XI was the most brutal - so few zones, so many repeated tracks. XIV's "problem" is that it's vanilla, there's so few zones. Once the game grows in size, though, it will completely annihilate XI like it does with everything else.


There's... music in XI's zones? Hardly. Most zones in Vanilla and Zilart (to this day!) have absolutely no music at all. Nothing but howling wind. That's a great way to give the player a sense of a huge empty world -- no sound but howling wind.

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LOL!


What, you never heard of that term before? What kind of sheltered life have you lived?
#199 Oct 28 2014 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Speaking of FFXI's inferiority, the fact each zone has a single track that plays the whole time you're in that zone is what makes XI's music incredibly repetitive. ARR's music is more condensed and limited so even if you're in one zone you'll only hear a track if you go to a certain part of said zone. Vanilla XI was the most brutal - so few zones, so many repeated tracks. XIV's "problem" is that it's vanilla, there's so few zones. Once the game grows in size, though, it will completely annihilate XI like it does with everything else.


There's... music in XI's zones? Hardly. Most zones in Vanilla and Zilart (to this day!) have absolutely no music at all. Nothing but howling wind. That's a great way to give the player a sense of a huge empty world -- no sound but howling wind.


Somehow I thought there would've been more, but you're right... I guess that's the rose-colored glasses speaking.

So you're either hearing wind blowing or the same few tracks over and over again. Nothing to be ashamed about in 2002 but with people acting like this is competitive in 2014...

Edited, Oct 28th 2014 8:39pm by Hyanmen
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LOL!

What, you never heard of that term before? What kind of sheltered life have you lived?

Mount. Pony. GEDDIT!!! lawl
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Mount. Pony. GEDDIT!!! lawl


Oi... so wait, he was talking about the $24 for the In-Store Mount? I thought he was referring to the price it'd take to buy FFXI and install it. If the former, that doesn't even make sense.

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Somehow I thought there would've been more, but you're right... I guess that's the rose-colored glasses speaking.

So you're either hearing wind blowing or the same few tracks over and over again. Nothing to be ashamed about in 2002 but with people acting like this is competitive in 2014...


What really gets me is why they didn't spruce some of these areas up with some more music. Surely it couldn't be that hard to record a few tracks, and attach em to the zones. You could probably use one for Meriphtaud and Tahrongi both; you could use the same one for Kuftal/Gustav/Korroloka Tunnels, you could make one that goes to the Maze and Onzozo as they are similar places.

Anything would be better than the non-stop rushing wind sound, IMO.

Yeah, in 2002 this was acceptable, but 12 years later and they haven't recorded a few tracks for older areas, I find that kinda "eeeh...."

Now, I'm not XI bashing here, just wishing they'd spruce some of the older areas of the game up some.
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