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The difference between MS and SE is that they are starting from a completely different points. MS had no leverage with xbone so the customers didn't buy the product. SE has leverage which they use to their advantage. Thus the end result is different for SE and MS.

SE's dev team is lean, but that's not the same as "stretched."

Programming is like writing an English paper. You have the rock stars that can do in 2 hours what it would take an amateur to do in two days. If you have a team full of rock stars, which seems to be the case with SE, you don't need to have a lot of extra bodies because those guys can just sit down and crank out the code. If you have a dev team full of amateurs, you definitely need more bodies to help out, either via paired programming, or just the amount of research they'll need to do to write functional code. (And it'll still be sloppy.)

No but I am not into glamor or stuff but it is just another thing that puts a bad taste in my mouth about the game and does push me farther out because I am not liking the direction this game is going. After the housing and other stuff etc.
Tes and I have talked about quitting the game and really started heating up with the personal housing fiasco. There have been other things up to this point too. We even talked about going back to FFXI. But after the free log in weekend we realize how old that game is feeling and looking.
I see the potential FFXIV has and how beautiful this game looks but honestly we are getting bored with it because it is the same thing over and over. Every update is 3 new dungeons, a new primal and new hildy and story and then they add something to ether coil or ST.. Story can be done in a few hours and so can hildy and they are very fun but so short. Even the dungeons are pretty much cookie cutter with 3 boss and trash between.. Yea they add a few mechanics between them like flick this switch. But they are still dodge mechanics with a dps check somewhere..


What is boring is the constant upgrade of gear. No gear is good for very long and you have to update 100 percent of you’re a gear again about every two months. Why can’t some gear be good longer why is it 100 percent new gear? I feel sorry for those people doing coil. People spend all that time to get through coil and when they finally do then that gear is no good too.. Why can’t there be a few pieces from coil that are really good for a while, the people that beat coil deserve it. Why worry about full gear at all? I stopped gearing on my bard a few weeks ago because why in a few days there is going to be new gear anyway. So now it is run the same 3 dungeons over and over and over. For us it is just getting boring. I do realize too you don’t need to upgrade all your gear to run new content but every piece of gear is still upgraded.
Honestly the only new thing in this game is hunts and ninja.. I don’t care about ninja because I don’t want to have another job to keep geared. I might try other jobs if gearing didn’t need to be upgraded so much…. Hunts are very fun and actually renewed my enthusiasm for the game.
We have decided to give the game a chance till the new expansion but if it turns out to just be a new area with new dungeons, fates and a primal we are done. Basically then it is another update with some land, it needs to offer something completely new to do and different game play…
I have talked to a few people we play with and some say the same thing, actually a few say they may not make it that far. People would like to see something new like dynamis or campaign.. It does not have to be those but something along that line, those are just examples.... Something totally unique and new to this game. It is not lack of content this game suffers from it is lack of new content but just different content. There is plenty to do for sure.

I just read a article on FFXIV on a gaming site… It basically was saying in several years from now what will people remember about FFXIV.. It is saying the game has nothing new to offer, it basically steals everything from other games .. They say the game needs its own identity.

Tes and I asked ourselves the same question about this game and ffxi…
She rattled off the day she got her black belt the day she got her Faith torque etc. This game in in a few years maybe the relic if they keep it going..

My real point in all this is a cash shop may not be a big deal but it may be enough to put a few over or make people really question the direction of the game..
I see the potential but I am afraid it won’t ever happen.. I would rather have less updates and actually more new type of content.



This is my opinion on the game People can shoot me down all they want.. I have been honest about the game and have played since Beta. I have said what I like and dislike and it seems a few have to try and discredit or shoot me and those down that have anything about they don’t like about the game .. No game is perfect and all have things they could have done better or could do better. Also not every game is for everybody and people need to understand that. You can not force someone to like something about a game.. This game look like it can have a bright future depending on what they do, it has a good base to work off of now.

Just because someone has a issue with a part of the game does not mean they automatically think a game is going to fail..




Edited, Oct 27th 2014 2:08pm by Nashred

I agree..

I think allot will be on how well this is received and how well it does.. If people rush out and buy everything more will be added and more different things..
If it dont do well it may just go away...

For me, FFXIV is a different beast with different memories.

Having been around since 1.x, I have my nostalgic memories about United We Stand and killing the White Raven. Heck, even the laggy state of the game's launch is somewhat nostalgic now.

Back to the quoted text, though, someday people who stick with XIV will look back and say things like, "I remember when I finally beat Titan HM" (which seems funny now, doesn't it?) or "Man, that first time when I FINALLY beat T5!" It's more about the battles now than the gear. In FFXI, it was flip-flopped. The fights that people would grind at endgame were easy enough to be spammed to infinity by groups with gear from the auction house... but they HAD to be, because that's how the game was designed... with such low drop rates and no loot system, players had to be able to win the fights the vast majority of the time, or immense frustration would have set in because of the insanely low and unpredictable drop rates (or super low spawn rates).

Edited, Oct 27th 2014 11:44am by Thayos

Nashred I don't want to belittle or discredit you, but I do disagree alot with what you said. Some of it is an exhaduration too so I'm trying, honestly to sort throug this and pick out issues I want to reflect on.



Probably the biggest note here I want to point out. When an individual is slighted once, often it becomes difficult for anything to appeal to them until they find the appropriate apology for it. Could it be that you're just not finding anything exciting for you, so all the updates that aren't relevant or specific to you feel like further slights?

I'm asking because I don't feel that the direction of the game has changed since ARR's inception. They've been consistent in their production, even up to repeating the same failings, in my eyes. And thus far those consistencies is part of the reason why I stay.



The perspective shift is I don't have a problem with this. In this you've pretty much described every update to an MMO between expansions I can recall - More content on the same vein.

But I was explaining this just recently on the forums. The feel of each content as we go forward is different than the last. Not mechanically, not when you break the mechanics down to its basics. But in execution and environment. Tamtara Normal was a looming mystery, where Hardmode was seething, eerie dread. Haukke Manor was haunted mansion in normal and a Voidsent Nightmare in Hard Mode. I like how the areas feel evolved from their originals and that the story of them continues as you revisit them.



Well, the top end of gear upgrades every six months, and every 3 we get medium grades between via the large-scale raid. But to answer your question more specifically - this is a different kind of game than FFXI entirely. It's been spoken before, but FFXI was a Horizontal progression game for most of it's life (It's more or less vertical now, however. ) FFXIV is a Vertical progression. In this sense, you would have gear upgrades to be Akin to gaining levels or Merit points, though they're not Ability specific.

To answer the question of remembering things - the answer is that the experience itself, not necessarily the loot, will be what is held. I will never forget our first Twintania win, or the first Titan Ex win. I won't ever live down that final cutscene in 2.0 I played through. And Hildebrand himself is hilarious even as short as those quest are. So it's not so much about the Epic loot as it is the epic experiences. In this game who you find and who you stick with are more important than a piece of gear that's keeping with you for a year. And for that desire, the Relic/Zodiac weapons do seem to be keeping up, update wise. (Just a slight bit behind the highest patch weapons, as expected.)

It's a pity you don't like vanity all that much, because one of the more exciting parts of this game is all the different outfits that would fit with my characters. I collect spears just for the vanity of them sometimes. I spend time mulling over how best to arrange rooms in our Free Company house for role-plays. I get into interior designing and fashion arguments with my girlfriend at least once a patch cycle. *chuckle*

I can understand that some of this seems dull to you. But a lot of this does not seem like a bad thing to me. Each dungeon feels unique, even if it's just trash and bosses. I certainly don't fight Brayflox Hard the same way I fight Stone Vigil Hard, and the feel of each is different too. And, again, we're still before our first expansion.

FFXI before its first expansion had Eco Force and Expeditionary Forces.

So I feel it's mainly a way we look at games differently, not so much the content itself, that determines whether these features are positives or negatives. Nothing against yours. I'm just trying to provide a different perspective in hopes it might liven your own experiences in game.

Edited, Oct 27th 2014 3:03pm by Hyrist

Granted, the only F2P game I've seriously played is GW2, but there are a couple points worth considering here:

1. Yoshi-P has steadfastly said "No F2P." He's been very emphatic about that. He's also said the cash shop will contain mostly items that have already been in the game... such as past event items. This is a far cry from what you'd find in a F2P cash shop.

2. FFXIV will have multiple sets of gear/costumes obtainable in the game... whereas in Guild Wars 2 (and I'm assuming many other F2P games), there were small or non-existent skin options available outside the cash shop. In fact, all we've heard so far indicates the vast majority of available gear/weapon skins will be made available in game, even if they're eventually removed and put in the cash shop... point is, subscribers will always have a way to get them included with their fee (as long as they're subscribed at the time, which seems fair).

3. Updates, updates, updates... the "live story" and content updates of GW2 are miniscule compared to all the content that's been added to FFXIV. That's another long-established pattern of F2P games vs. P2P games. Your subscription fee ensures reliable income over time and more meaty, regular updates... and a deeper, better game over time.

You can still get a good/great experience from F2P games, but there is definitely value in playing a P2P game, even one with a small cash shop.

It's taken them 4 years to bring ARR to where it is now so the 'rockstar' comparison shows just how much work they have had to do. I'm not trying to say they have been slacking but they have had to deal with a lot of hurdles like retuning for the PS3, expanding to PS4 and Vita, churning out quarterly updates with enough content to keep players interested and an expansion on the horizon. It's a metric **** ton of work and pretty much anything you add to that is an increased burden. All the credit in the world to this team for what they have been able to accomplish. I probably shouldn't have said "too much", but it's clear that they've got a lot to handle already.


You're making the wrong connections. No one is upset that you can spend money on something and they can't. By restricting access to cash only they're removing a part of the game that many players find enjoyment in, and that is what some people are taking issue with.

I would rather see Sleipnir rewarded for defeating a difficult encounter with Odin. It ties a sense of accomplishment to the mount rather than just a price tag. If it is a cash shop exclusive, it'll never be something I can look at as a reward for an achievement. That does indeed affect the game. You don't have to agree with the position, but you should be able to recognize that things(yes, even virtual property) do have value beyond the dollar.

When I look at my old trophies they remind me of much more than just winning a single game or a single race. I remember my losses, I remember busting my *** to get better and I remember all the advice that I got from people along the way that propelled me to that victory. I could walk into a store and buy a bunch of trophies and spread them out all over my house, but they'll never actually make me feel like a winner because I never had to put in that effort to obtain them. If you can't see that then I feel for you and it is you sir, who has the issue.

It's all about the process, there is nothing to get, that is just a bonus. We gain things and we lose things material, people, digital stuff. Nothing is permanent, but that is what makes it precious. Soon as you view everything like this you start to appreciate lots... even the stuff that used to annoy you.

Here is to hoping we get to craft cakes and boats. Maybe fish or treasure hunt on those boats! I want to be a magitek mechanic in a big racing/battle circuit!!

Not really, I've played every f2p MMO, besides certain especially greedy ones, most free games sell cosmetic items like mounts/pets/costumes. So the same thing as FF14, just they're making you pay a sub too.

Agreed, but not everything is a trophy. Sometimes things are just art and it doesn't matter if you made it yourself or bought it from a store.

well technically a lot of other Free+cash shop games update monthly every month. Free games even have expansions too in fact, TERA posted about their expansion a couple days ago

http://tera.enmasse.com/news/posts/tera-s-expansion-is-coming

which is a level cap increase, new continent, and new features. It's a free+ cash shop game. Sorry but Pay to play monthly+ cash shop+pay extra for more retainers = scumish and sleazy.

If you honestly play so much that you need those extra retainers (which I can't even imagine, and I play all the time), then you'll easily be able to collect any in-game event items that you might later find in the cash shop.

If you don't play that much, then you don't need those extra retainers.

In short, I think you're reaching.