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Inflation is a *****... Why do I have to pay 30+k for the same model car that was 6kish when it was released...

Dang phone x2

Edited, Sep 17th 2014 1:01am by Perrin

WoW is what, again, 10 years old? 9?

Just ask some people on the largest servers about queues to log in. Yup, WoW still has them. In fact, they recently did free migrations to get people OFF those servers.

"Eliminating Queues" is not so easy.

If it were so easy, don't you think SE/Blizz would have done that? Do you think they are intentionally holding back giving the players what they want?



It'd be silly to think that they're just trying for the status quo and nothing else. They have to weigh practicality vs returns; yeah sure they could get, say, another 10% subscribers, but is it worth the hundreds of thousands of dollars thrown at it? If you're already doing well, do you take on costly, risky ventures only to see very little return out of it?

Look at some of the failed things in FFXI: Pankration, to name one. They spent development time on that, people poked at it for a few weeks then nobody touched it ever again hardly. That was a colossal waste of manpower to design, code, and implement that failed system. It seems to be Yoshi-P wants to avoid doing stuff like that; if he's going to implement something in the game, he wants to make sure it was worth the cost.



The problem with this, is money. $$$$$.

I recall reading that SE was in a bit of dire straits during the development of ARR. They weren't doing so hot financially and they needed money SOON. They didn't have the luxury of waiting months, half a year, etc not only from a $$$ standpoint, but also from hype as well. People wanted to get their game on, were happy to pay SE.

How do you think they would have felt 6 months later? How many of the original people waiting to sub up would have wanted to sub up 6 months later when they finally had the resources to "do it justice"?

IMO, they didn't have time to wait for everything to be pristine ship-shape condition. They needed ARR out ASAP so they could start getting some returns on all of that money they spent revamping it from 1.0.

Heck, I'm amazed they actually managed to successfully do it. 1.0 was a huge hot mess of a game that, IIRC, went into Free to Play for awhile and eventually went offline for them to completely overhaul, redesign, and re-develop and re-release it all over again. That had to have been quite a pile of cash to dump on a project that was floundering.

I'm thankful they actually managed to pull it off and that it is as good as it is. That is why I'm not whining about stupid little cr*p like player housing.

Edited, Sep 16th 2014 10:27pm by Lyrailis

Feel at ease Catwho for the fog is about to be cleared.

Let's look at the small plot starting prices for Asura / Belias / Brynhildr / Famfrit / Lich / Mateus / Unicorn / Yojimbo / Zalera / Zeromus at the time of 2.1:

Fifth-class Plot Fourth-class Plot Third-class Plot Second-class Plot First-class Plot
Small 4,000,000 4,250,000 4,500,000 4,750,000 5,000,000

Now let's look at the same plots at the time of 2.38:

Fifth-class Plot Fourth-class Plot Third-class Plot Second-class Plot First-class Plot
Small 2,000,000 2,125,000 2,250,000 2,375,000 2,500,000

Yoshida said that personal housing will be cheaper than the current FC housing (at the time of 2.1).

Personal housing is half the price of the FC housing (at the time of 2.1). This is for the new servers. For some of the Legacy servers, the difference is frankly enormous.

2.38
Fifth-class Plot Fourth-class Plot Third-class Plot Second-class Plot First-class Plot
Small 4,000,000 4,250,000 4,500,000 4,750,000 5,000,000

versus

2.1
Fifth-class Plot Fourth-class Plot Third-class Plot Second-class Plot First-class Plot
Small 40,000,000 42,500,000 45,000,000 47,500,000 50,000,000


Of course, this does not take into account the massive inflation that happened between December 2013 and September 2014 due to the new methods of obtaining gil out of thin air. 4 million in December '13 is worth significantly more than 4 million in September '14.

Is it a bad thing that the new unsheathed /changepose's have rekindled my desire to play pld and mnk again?? I hope they add more of these. ^.^

That's exactly the freaking point I was trying to make.

What do you think would have happened, if you advertise a game that they had been waiting three years to have fun with, AND then during Beta......right before launch, they go "Sorry guys, you have to wait another 6 months!"

How many people would have said "Aw, scr*w it..." and walked away, their faith in the whole mess lost?

Delays kill hype. Some die hard fans will remain and sub up on opening day or even pre-order, but how many die hard fans are there compared to just regular people who just wanna play? As it is, I myself did not sub up right away because face it... I never would have expected them to actually pull this off and do it well. I saw the ARR Beta and it looked awesome, but then I heard that it was plagued with congestion problems and at the time I was like "lol, so they still didn't actually get the game to a good state?" after 3 years. So I wound up not bothering until I saw it on Steam at a discount (which was an awesome idea, btw). Then I said "aw **** it, I'll try it, if it is good I'll sub up." because it was like $15 IIRC and I knew I'd get more hours out of that game than I would most AAA singleplayer titles even if I didn't sub up.

I think waiting 6 months would have cost them some hype, and I'm not sure they had the money to keep throwing hardware at the game to cover the congestion issues without getting some revenue in first. Remember, SE was not doing all that great financially around the time of ARR's release if I remember the timeline right. They needed the money. Even if you'd argue the Hype thing is a non-issue, the cold hard cash very much was an issue. They had already spent a huge pile of money revamping the game, AND it turned out to be far more popular than they had anticipated.

IMO, I can't help but to think people are thinking they have crystal balls they can look into and see the future before it actually arrives or somecrap. Sometimes unexpected things happen.



Maybe they had a pretty good idea of how many people wanted their own personal houses (they are able to pull data like "how many people can afford one?"), and they knew that they could not accommodate them all from the get-go?

Maybe they have an idea coming down the pike a bit later (everybody keeps mentioning Patch 2.4) to give players more housing options? Maybe they expect players to actually wait and see what happens? Even if they had polled the playerbase, what if Yoshi-P is actually telling the truth when he says that the servers just couldn't handle 50 more wards to make sure everybody has a house? Maybe they changed their mind in creating entirely new residential areas just for private housing rather than using all of those empty plots you saw everywhere prior to this patch? I remember, before this patch, you opened your map up and... maybe 20% of all the plots in a ward were actually used, usually the big ones. Those small plots were all empty.

Isn't it more practical to put those to good use rather than let them sit there unused? Since FCs don't want small houses, they figured maybe individual players might, since the big ones are crazy expensive?

Doesn't that sound like a more practical plan to have the individuals buying those small houses? It does to me. *shrugs* You already got resources. They're not being used. Might as well use them.

Edited, Sep 17th 2014 7:49am by Lyrailis

Edited, Sep 17th 2014 7:50am by Lyrailis

Thanks for the clarification, Hyanmen. That makes sense.

I can still really only think of a few reasons someone would want their own personal house:
- Personal garden because they are in a big FC and don't have gardening rights
- Not in a FC at all, or in one with dead leadership
- Decoration addiction (I call this The Sims Syndrome.)

It's not like you can equip your house and show it off in Mor Dhona. It's not like you can customize the build of them beyond the pre-fab options that the game gives you. It's not like it gives you additional storage space.

It's vanity, pure and simple, and a gil sink.

I'm going to wait and see what other additions they make in 2.4 before I plop down any more cash. My wallet is still hurting from helping out with the FC mansion and spending over a million gil on my personal room in it.

I have done lots of beta testing both games and software.. I have tested for Microsoft for Xbox live, NT server etc. I have done several games too..
Beta length depends on what phase you get in on beta testing.. Most game are not real beta test. They are really a scam to get people to try the game for free. most of the time there is not even bug reporting.

But again they had time to come up with more housing they announced it in like December.





He may have been honest on other things but he wasn't on this.. You even hint at it in your post that he waited to the last minute because he knew what the reaction would be, Well that not being open with people, that is the opposite. That means he knew how his comments were interpreted and waited to the last minute, that is deceiving people..

Here is the real problem and why allot of people are upset.. This was done to take money out of the hands of the rich and it dont.. It gets them more money because it is really about gardening and right now that is where the money is.. So the rich can afford bigger houses with more gardens and they can buy up the houses and get a head start making more money before the next house release. It may make the economics worse. It also pushes more towards gill sellers which is why there has been a explosion in the amount of spam from them lately.


Tesee is upset because she had her heart set on a garden, not to make money like the rest but it was what she wanted to do in the game and the rug was ripped out from under her. She also wanted a house so she could decorate it the way she wanted too..Its not that she thinks she is entitled but in-reality she is.. She pays the same monthly fee as the rest but cant enjoy the game the way she wants too.. She probably plays more than most... She saved basically what she should have paid based on his comments and now she didn't get the house she wanted based on what he said.





It has even Tes now thinking this game aint worth it and is more stress than fun... All the years of playing FFXI we never saw anything like this.. Everything is about gil lately the novus and the housing.The housing in FFXI was for the most part quested..


Anyway is is my last post on this subject I have said what I wanted to say and there is nothing I can change so that's it.

Edited, Sep 17th 2014 10:07am by Nashred

Question, you said your better half got a house, can it be shared like a room mate? Is it only the person who buys the house able to use stuff like the garden or stable ect?




Edited, Sep 17th 2014 10:01am by Nashred

It's not that they don't want the game to be a less punishing hardcore grind, they just want to hide the hardcore grind behind vanity stuff/optional content, not the content that makes you stronger (which for most players is the core of the game). If there is content not accessible to everyone, it's better that it's optional and vanity stuff instead of some vital aspect of the game as a whole like gearing up in FFXI. Well, that's their design philosophy anyway, which I personally agree with, but not everyone does. I think that it's good for any game in the long run that there is more than just welfare content. Of course, the opinion of the best ratio at which resources should be prioritized for either group differs pretty much for every player.

Edited, Sep 17th 2014 3:08pm by Hyanmen