How will SE address hunts in this coming maintenance?Follow

A bunch of us talked about something similar to this last night. Adding another mob call it D and having it spawn at the same time.
B mobs were pretty much useless to hunt groups anyway, they mainly gave them something to do while waiting for a A or S,,
I think it would have been easier to just remove B like they did and insert another higher level mob D that dropped more and had it spawn close to the same time somewhere completely different.




Edited, Aug 21st 2014 8:53am by Nashred

Illsaide and I were both on Flame Seargeant Dalvag for our weekly Elite.

So we teamed up and smooshed him. Easiest 50 hunt seals ever.

Not saying it's a bad idea, it's just not what I would want. I like the somewhat randomness of hunts. I like that you don't know exactly when or in what order they are going to pop. I also like that anyone can do them at any time. This would definitely limit that. Perhaps this could be something added in addition to the current system. The idea behind it is solid, it's just not what I'd personally be looking for from hunts. But that's just me.

Rats. Missed that fun. He's mine too.

Think he can be soloed by i93 WHM + rank 10 chocobo? I probably won't need to solo him, but I'd like to know whether it's worth trying.

I feel the same way as Bartel and Thayos.. I like the randomness of the whole thing..

I really dont mind the system now it just need tweaking to stop the early pulling and spread people out or not have so many on the same mob.

Example last night while doing my daily hunt I run across a B mark.. I tell my friend to come quick, he is in the zone so he can get here than I was going to shout to everyone else. While standing there someone else spots it and puts out a shout, within a minute there are so many people there and of coarse it is a early pull. I was trying to get other people in my party to get max points. My friend gets there just in time for one or two hits.. We got 3 points in our party. It died so fast no one got max points because most got a few hits in. I found the thing and only got three points. B marks should not die in seconds, it should be a awsum epic battle. It feels cheap..
This is just outside of Mor Dhona so it is a extreme example because the highest concentration of players is there and can be there in seconds.. But it is the point.

Honestly if you think about it, allot of the problem is being caused by everyone knowing when marks are about too pop and what zone they are going to pop in and these tracking sites can track the times. If they made it 100 percent random when the pops were that would spread the people out because they would not know exactly what zone the next pop is in.


You know it is not the early pulls that are a issue either if the mobs didnt die so fast. Also if it were risky to pull first because you had all the hate people would not pull... You have to have a coordinated effort and several at the same time.

Edited, Aug 21st 2014 12:37pm by Nashred

I dont know why it would hurt and I think it might help..
Your party would have to spread out and actually hunt/search them down in other zones.
You just dont know exactly where and when.. I actually makes you hunt..
Pretty much what we do now...
Again just throwing out ideas.. I dont think there is a perfect way to make everyone happy.. The new changes go a long way to make those who solo happy...

Too me it is not as much the early pulls it how fast they are dieing. If you could get in 1/2 way and still get decent seals it would not be such a big deal. they just die way to fast..

Edit:
I think the problem will eventually correct its self.. As more get there seals they will stop. Those that are so frustrated with wasting time are stopping for now too and once the frenzy dies down they will come back.

Edited, Aug 21st 2014 12:51pm by Nashred

Probably right..
But right now when I am in a hunt party we usually spread out to several zone already to look for mobs but probably be less with no B ranks now... If it were completely random you could have several pop at the same time..
By being more random too it makes it much better for a party because you can cover more area faster than solo...

What you describe here sounds exactly like leve quests.

We can see someone else's leve mobs, and we can see them, and they can see us, but we can't attack their mobs.

I'm not sure that I agree with this point. Unless you mean that you want to be able to do any hunt at any time, the current system already limits you in that regard. I also factored in that Yoshi himself stated that this game is tuned to the more casual side of casual. Can you expand on what specifically you meant by 'any time'?

What if the NPC that flagged you also gave you the option to select between zone-wide, region-wide or worldwide hunts? You can decide whether or not you want something quick and painless, a moderate chase or if you want to scour every corner of Eorzea tracking down your prey. I think that would satisfy the requirement for random and still put the content in the hands of the players to decide how hot they like their porridge


It is exactly like levequests, except it's not. Phasing is a term that was in play in MMOs well before levequests. Actually if I recall correctly, it was around even before development of XIV was announced. I had actually hoped to see more of this technique to make the world seem more dynamic, but they haven't really explored it.

Imagine being out in the field and seeing a band(read: I don't know the correct term for a group) of raging beastmen pillaging a small village. With phasing, you could flag players so that if they fended off the attackers they would see a village with NPCs that thank them or even offer them special vendor goodies. If they fail to thwart the attack then they might see the village in flames when they returned. Then as time passes they'd see villagers trying to rebuild and possibly be able to receive a quest to help in the efforts.

We need more of this sort of cause and effect type of content. It really makes you feel like you're making a mark and things you do or don't do actually have consequences.

The first idea I had was to allow it to act like a FATE. If you wander close enough to a hunt mob you get a sound and your map is marked. When you get close enough to engage the UI prompts you to auto-group similar to how it works in RIFT. The problem that most people seem to have with this event is that the combination of random and open-world doesn't work well. It's gotta be limited somehow, but the most recent idea at least allows for people to participate on their terms.

The way it is currently, you will still have that random encounter where you might just happen upon a hunt mob. The issue is that since 5, 50 or 500 people can all jump in without limit, people are always excluded because they couldn't get there in time to mash frantically for enough contribution. The idea at least addresses the fact that in an event where you're supposed to team up with other people, instead you're competing against them.

I don't see it working well in a limitless open-world environment. There are simply too many people after the prize and the events don't last long enough to reward everyone. It's an odd situation. In order to make sure everyone can participate they have to either hard cap by limiting player's attempts or soft cap by reducing the rewards a player can get.

The only other possibility I see working is allowing whatever currency you can earn to be gained through other types of content. If players could PvP, quest, run instances or even accept crafted items as trade for rewards then at least they could spread the load. Players could do something they enjoyed rather than be forced into something they'd rather not do.

Edited, Aug 21st 2014 5:44pm by FilthMcNasty

I still don't understand why just making copies of the mob that all pop simultaneously doesn't fix the issue. Heck, to really space it out you could make them pop in adjacent zones. So basically, instead of 1 S-rank popping, 3 of them pop... all the same mob (or heck, change the name slightly for lore sake and make it "a pack of XXX on the loose!"). Then people go to whatever one is closest/most convenient/least crowded. Once you've killed something from that "family", you can't kill it again until respawn timer is up.

It spreads players out, doesn't really change the system much, and keeps the rewards the same. Heck, they could even greatly nerf the rewards or add a cap if it seems like too much, since everyone would be able to get to most A/S ranks when they're on in time. And when it gets to the point that players have their fill and don't really participate as much, they despawn after 15-20 minutes untouched.

Ideally, I just don't think they need to radically change the system. That being said, I'd really like to see something like Filth proposed as kind of an additional system, that is made more for GC's or even PF parties. I just want it additionally as opposed to replacing the current system. Again, this is me speaking for myself and what I'd like to see happen.

Edited, Aug 21st 2014 9:45pm by BartelX

If done properly, where there isn't a crazy overabundance of people at one single mob, the system would work great. Not everything needs to be instanced or phased. However, adding something that is as an alternative is completely cool with me. I just don't want to be forced to do the phased content by removing the open world content. Hunts are one of the few things that really have me intrigued about playing again, and your proposed idea of making them instanced or phased or whatever just isn't as interesting or desirable.

Like I said, put both versions in. But don't remove the open world aspect when it can definitely be fixed and made enjoyable for all, or at least all who are interested in that type of content. Clearly there are a lot of people who do enjoy it currently, and I think even more would if it wasn't such a zerg all the times. Spread the people out; mission accomplished.

Edited, Aug 22nd 2014 12:04am by BartelX

Well there probably are several things happening...
The people in your Girlfriends LS probably also put a tell out to their FC's.. Those people in those FC might also be in Hunt LS and told them and it snowballs.
Also I am not sure SE has a grip on the radar software yet?


Edited, Aug 22nd 2014 8:48am by Nashred