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#1 Jun 21 2014 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
Smiley: lol

Sorry for the title, but I really need to ask a favor from the knowledgeable crafters here. If you click the link in my sig, you can see my meld setup for my Culinarian. Being my first craft to 50, I slapped on my early melds in a bit of a haphazard fashion and then piled on more stats as time went by, not following a plan. I don't mind it so much because I don't really plan on ever doing 3-star synths on her. HQ 2-star foods are as good as I or my FC will likely ever need, and it can handle those no problem now.

My Carpenter is another matter. I'm looking at the Craft/Control floors for the three star stuff, and I'm looking at the known stat caps on my CUL AF (caps should be the same across all AF sets, AFAIK) and going "How in the name OF THE GREAT ZOMBIE OVERLORD am I gonna reach these?!" I keep looking around the net and people say "just max all ur melds lol" which isn't very helpful, or they point to some guide from freaking 2013 that seems to be linked everywhere, and looks quite a bit like my CUL meld setup, which isnt even CLOSE. Or they share their super-1337 100% HQ 2-star macros with me without answering my question, which is nice but un-necessary. The whole thing is as clear as mud.

So please, someone break this down to me at a second-grader level. If I am a CRP, and I wanna craft 3-star items, what materia do I need to meld to what pieces in what order, to hit the 3-star stat floor? Don't give me options, don't give me spreadsheets. Just give me a simple, K.I.S.S. "Do this, ya big dummy!" list. Please? Smiley: lol
#2 Jun 21 2014 at 8:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0ApOn43Fl37uFdGtSVlVSR2taNG5kWVhVanEwQmNuT0E&f=true&noheader=true&gid=0

This should break down all you melding needs for crafting jobs and how to meld to each piece to meet 3-star requirements.

(And yes, yes, I know, I know, you didn't ask for spreadsheets, but the sad reality is that this is basically the best way to go.)

Keep in mind that you basically have to hit the cap on every piece of HQ'd crafting gear, as well as toss on a couple things to your off-hand tool, to even meet the 3-star requirements.

Yes, you could use food to maybe get some extra Control or Craftmanship, but for 3-star synthesis you really, really want to use CP food so you can eke out as many crafting abilities as you can.

I can only speak for myself, but the method I use requires something 382 CP as a minimum, so with all CP melded properly, you should be at 345 on your gear, and use HQ Bouillbaisse (CP+43).

As for macros, here: this is what I use for 1/2-star and below, as well as 40/40 difficulty crafts, and 3-star crafts. Don't know if it's the "best" but it's almost never failed me at this point.

http://quantictransatlantic.tumblr.com/post/88204193141/earlier-today-i-took-a-batch-of-screenshots-to

Edited, Jun 21st 2014 10:51am by Satisiun
#3 Jun 21 2014 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
I.... I just..... but.....

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If that was intentional, I applaud you. My eyes actually teared up a little. 10/10 Smiley: laugh
#4 Jun 21 2014 at 9:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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DarkswordDX wrote:
I.... I just..... but.....

Smiley: bahSmiley: bahSmiley: bahSmiley: disappointed

If that was intentional, I applaud you. My eyes actually teared up a little. 10/10 Smiley: laugh


Totally, entirely intentional. Smiley: tongue

I mean, listen, I understand that this might all be daunting to you, but the sad reality is that melding for crafting is just not as simple as "Do this, then this, then this" unless you give more information about your situation.

Is money no object? No object at all? Or you have all the time in the world to spiritbond stuff to get all the materia you need? Then go and meld materia based off that "Path A" option you see on the spreadsheet I just linked you. If it isn't, you'll need to pick another "Path".

Furthermore, is there any specific reason you want to be able to 3-Star stuff on Carpenter? I mean you only get a single recipe out of it, Ancient Lumber, for even getting the Master Recipe book, and all you use that for is a few furnishings, that broom minion, and that's really about it.

I'm also going to presume you know that you need an Artisan-tier tool (the one you trade in a bunch of HQ craft items for) to meet the 3-star requirements, right? Just trying to figure out what your end-game is here with CRP and 3-star stuff there.

Edited, Jun 21st 2014 11:07am by Satisiun
#5 Jun 21 2014 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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DarkswordDX wrote:
or they point to some guide from freaking 2013 that seems to be linked everywhere, and looks quite a bit like my CUL meld setup, which isnt even CLOSE.


Have the max meld stats changed since 2013? Just asking because I've been gone since late December.
#6 Jun 21 2014 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
Sort of. The crafted AF supplanted the old max-meld Patricians set. The stats didn't change, exactly, but a new tier was added. As I understand it, even 100% maxxed out the Patricians set can't break the 3-star floor.

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Furthermore, is there any specific reason you want to be able to 3-Star stuff on Carpenter?


My FC is obsessed with Carbuncle furniture. Figure I can use any food, HQing isn't a concern, but I'd like to avoid T4 materia where reasonable to do so. I have stockpiles of T3 building up.
#7 Jun 21 2014 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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DarkswordDX wrote:
Sort of. The crafted AF supplanted the old max-meld Patricians set. The stats didn't change, exactly, but a new tier was added. As I understand it, even 100% maxxed out the Patricians set can't break the 3-star floor.

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Furthermore, is there any specific reason you want to be able to 3-Star stuff on Carpenter?


My FC is obsessed with Carbuncle furniture. Figure I can use any food, HQing isn't a concern, but I'd like to avoid T4 materia where reasonable to do so. I have stockpiles of T3 building up.


Gotcha. So basically all you want to do is get to the needed Control and Craftmanship requirements to make Ancient Lumber for furniture for your FC. Alright. Well, admittedly you may run in to a bit of a wall when it comes to HQing Spruce Plywood to get the Artisan's Chocobo Tail Saw, since making 50 of those, while not as hard as 3-star synths, is still annoying.

Right, so. Ignoring CP since you only care about meeting the Control and Craftmanship requirements, and avoiding any Tier 4. what you should do is ...

Choker:
Control III
Craftmanship I

Earrings:
Control III
Craftmanship I

Wrist:
Control III
Craftmanship II
Control I

Ring x2:
Control III
Craftmanship II
Control I

Head (if you aren't getting the glasses):
Control III
Control II
Craftmanship II

Body:
Craftmanship III
Craftmanship III
Craftmanship III
Control III
Control II

Hands:
Control III
Control II
Craftmanship II

Legs:
Control III
Control II
Craftmanship I

Feet:
Control III
Control II
Craftmanship I

Offhand Tool:
Craftmanship III
Control III

Belt:
Control III
Control II
Craftmanship I

So all of that in a nutshell will get you to your Craftmanship and Control requirements while avoiding Tier 4 materia and forgoing any CP concerns. I would do more to try and help like look at foods to consider to lessen the materia load, but sadly after my last post my internet went down, so this is all being done by phone and believe me, this is totally inconvenient. Heh.

If anyone else wants to try and take a crack at laying out what he should meld, go for it.

Edit: Just one more thing. I don't know what the prices are like on your server, but at least on Sargatanas, Tier 4 CP materia is pretty damn cheap. I would earnestly recommend at least trying to meld CP to your accessories even if you don't meld to your legs and feet (the only body accessories that accept materia) since that will make the grind for the artisan tool easier.

Edited, Jun 21st 2014 1:08pm by Satisiun
#8 Jun 21 2014 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
PERFECT! Thats exactly what I was after!

I thank you very much, good sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
#9 Jun 21 2014 at 12:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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DarkswordDX wrote:
Sort of. The crafted AF supplanted the old max-meld Patricians set. The stats didn't change, exactly, but a new tier was added. As I understand it, even 100% maxxed out the Patricians set can't break the 3-star floor.


I should have been more specific. I was asking about the HQ AF melds, as I never bothered with the patrician's set.

I'm assuming those max stats are unchanged from 2.0?
#10 Jun 21 2014 at 9:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Satisiun wrote:
If anyone else wants to try and take a crack at laying out what he should meld, go for it.

Since hitting the required craftsmanship and controls stats is going to require the Artisan mainhand, I would suggest the OP invest in melding for +CP as well, as that will help him make those HQ Spruce Plywoods.

The good news is that even if he starts out with the no-additional-CP melds you suggested, he could always add the +CP materia later (there's still enough open materia slots left).

For the body slot, I went with Craftsmanship IV, Craftsmanship IV, Control III, Control II. The price of tier III craftsmanship and control materia was high enough on my server that I wanted to avoid melding two tier III materias into overmeld slots. Whatever gil I would have saved not buying Tier IVs would have been eaten up by blown up Tier IIIs. I can still max out my body piece later by melding a Craftsmanship I into that last slot (thankfully, I don't need it to hit the stats I need for 3 star recipes).

That said, I feel like your suggested set up gives 4 more craftsmanship than is necessary to hit the 3 star recipe requirements. My body has +12 craftsmanship melded and my offhand has +4 craftsmanship melded, compared to +15 and +5 in your suggested setup.
#11 Jun 22 2014 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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svlyons wrote:
That said, I feel like your suggested set up gives 4 more craftsmanship than is necessary to hit the 3 star recipe requirements. My body has +12 craftsmanship melded and my offhand has +4 craftsmanship melded, compared to +15 and +5 in your suggested setup.


Yeah, I was aiming a little higher intentionally since, as I mentioned in my post, at the time I was dealing with a broken Internet and had to try and figure this all out without as much of my usual data/knowledge on hand. So I highballed the Craftmanship since that was the only thing I wasn't sure about.
#12 Jun 23 2014 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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DarkswordDX wrote:
PERFECT! Thats exactly what I was after!

I thank you very much, good sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.


From your setup, I would try to crank a bit more craftsmanship into the ring and the offhand tool. I think that they can take a few more. After that, meld in control until you cap or run out of money. Then start on making those 40 durability 2 star hq turn in items and get that main hand ilvl 70 tool. Then get you some CP food and you are all set to make the 3 star. I know. I'm on the 2 star hq leatherworker turn ins now. 11 of 50.
#13 Jun 23 2014 at 8:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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Valkayree wrote:
DarkswordDX wrote:
PERFECT! Thats exactly what I was after!

I thank you very much, good sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

From your setup, I would try to crank a bit more craftsmanship into the ring and the offhand tool. I think that they can take a few more.

Aetheryte rings cap at 4 craftsmanship, so a single Tier II materia will cap it.

Offhand has a crazy high craftsmanship cap though (19 according to one source I found). So you can definitely cram more craftsmanship into that slot. However, it only has one guaranteed meld.
#14 Jun 23 2014 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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DarkswordDX wrote:
Sort of. The crafted AF supplanted the old max-meld Patricians set. The stats didn't change, exactly, but a new tier was added. As I understand it, even 100% maxxed out the Patricians set can't break the 3-star floor.

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Furthermore, is there any specific reason you want to be able to 3-Star stuff on Carpenter?


My FC is obsessed with Carbuncle furniture. Figure I can use any food, HQing isn't a concern, but I'd like to avoid T4 materia where reasonable to do so. I have stockpiles of T3 building up.


I am successfully using a set of Dedore+Patrician's for crafting 3 star recipes (and I have been HQing consistently). I don't have a one-size fits all macro, but meh, I don't see the point.
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