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#1 Jun 06 2014 at 12:48 AM Rating: Good
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A little while ago I posted a thread about which Disciple of Magic class would fit my character best in terms of personality, and I was kind of surprised everyone thought Arcanist, given that I had established that my character was peaceful and independent-minded by nature, and ill-suited to being a member of a Grand Company. One poster wrote:

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If you're peaceful by nature and dislike war, I can't see BLM working all that well. From the "likes to work alone" part, I would think either SMN or SCH.


The funny thing is, I actually felt that BLM would work BETTER for my character than SCH, because, for one thing Scholar IS the only recurring FF magic-user class that is directly tied to the military. And not only does your storyline involve working for the Maurader's Guild, but it is confirmed that the ancient Nymian Scholars had the job of personally directing their units in battle, which strongly goes against the idea of it being suitable for someone who likes to work alone.

In the BLM story, by contrast, I got more of a sense of "wise weilders of dark magic" from Ququruka and the beastmen; weilding highly destructive magic but using that to seal portals to the Void. All of the beastmen are revealed outcasts from their tribes.

However, there's also the fact that SCHs took on the role of doctors during times of peace, as well as the whole piece of the puzzle involving the fairy needing to regain her memories (which hints that SCH spells might actually come from the fairies themselves, rather than being advanced Arcanima designed with the intention of protecting large groups of soldiers in battle).

Plus, since Nym doesn't exist anymore, you probably could easily be a "free" Scholar, unlike for instance a WHM who is bound to serve the Padjal.

So is this true? Or do you think BLMs are the most (stereotypically) aggressive DoM, and if so, why?

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 2:50am by JFrombaugh

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 2:51am by JFrombaugh
#2 Jun 06 2014 at 1:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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JFrombaugh wrote:
Or do you think BLMs are the most (stereotypically) aggressive DoM, and if so, why?

Black Mage is the most stereotypically aggressive mage simply because it's entirely about destruction. There's no peaceful or helpful side of black magic. It only does one thing. Destroy. There are no other uses for it. Why would someone looking for a peaceful life become a black mage in the first place?
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#3 Jun 06 2014 at 2:45 AM Rating: Default
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Scholar is a soildier.
Summoner is a fake, poorly designed, WoW Warlock wannabe. (Not the FFXI SMN, just ARR sadly :( )
Black Mage is a force of destruction.

Play WHM.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 4:46am by Transmigration
#4 Jun 06 2014 at 5:48 AM Rating: Default
Transmigration wrote:
Scholar is a soildier.
Summoner is a fake, poorly designed, WoW Warlock wannabe. (Not the FFXI SMN, just ARR sadly :( )
Black Mage is a force of destruction.

Play WHM.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 4:46am by Transmigration


Did I just imagine someone saying that FFXI SMN isn't the most poorly designed class that has ever existed in the history of MMORPG's?

Any opinion has it's supporters on the internet it seems.
#5 Jun 06 2014 at 6:58 AM Rating: Excellent
XI summoner had its flaws, but once they adjusted it so that the avatar reflected the stats of the summoner, we learned we could pile on DEX and crit atma in Abyssea and pop out insane damage with Garuda. (I thought I had a screenshot of Garuda popping out a 7000+ Predator Claws but now I can't find it.)

SMN came into its own after that.

Also, SMN burn parties were actually a thing once level sync came into play. Ever see someone shoot up about 15 levels in less than a minute?
#6 Jun 06 2014 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just FYI, when I said that my character disliked war I was referring more to the chauvinism & boot camp mentality aspects of it. The problem is not so much that she dislikes fighting in general, but that she lacks the personality necessary to become a proud & dedicated "soldier".


Edited, Jun 6th 2014 9:44am by JFrombaugh

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 9:44am by JFrombaugh
#7 Jun 06 2014 at 1:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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You have to remember that story wise you're the only one certain jobs. Scholars may have been military 1500 years ago, but today "you" are the only one in existence.
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#8 Jun 06 2014 at 4:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hyanmen wrote:
Transmigration wrote:
Scholar is a soildier.
Summoner is a fake, poorly designed, WoW Warlock wannabe. (Not the FFXI SMN, just ARR sadly :( )
Black Mage is a force of destruction.

Play WHM.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 4:46am by Transmigration


Did I just imagine someone saying that FFXI SMN isn't the most poorly designed class that has ever existed in the history of MMORPG's?

Any opinion has it's supporters on the internet it seems.


Well, perhaps mechanically, SMN in FFXI was odd. It did however have a certain aura to it and had a unique playstyle. My problem with SMN in ARR is how small and unmemorable the Egis are, the dark magic, and DoTs. It just doesn't make sense in the world of FF and comes off feeling like a broken warlock or Spiritmaster. Maybe my words were a little harsh, but that is really how I feel about the way SE did it this time around. Why is a SMN casting Ruin and Bio? It's silly and poorly executed in my opinion. Apparently not many share it however :/ It's all good.

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“Adepts of the art of arcanum derive their might from symbols of power born of geometric techniques hailing from across the southern seas. Held within occult grimoires, these symbols lend shape to the arcanist's aether, thereby allowing him to produce myriad powerful spells.
Using the selfsame symbols to unlock the latent power contained within gemstones, arcanists are also able to summon forth the familiar known as Carbuncle to carry out their bidding.”


When I saw that description of Arcanist, I thought it was imaginative and interesting. I was set on what class I was going to play. The transition to SMN was poor though. I thought (and so did many others) that we'd be controlling powerful avatars to destroy our enemies. Instead we got these tiny little shells of summons and spam dark magic dots.

I really like what they did with SCH though.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 6:13pm by Transmigration
#9 Jun 06 2014 at 6:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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I will admit that Scholar ends up ahead of Summoners in the Arcanist line of jobs. You don't have the "prestige" of big cures like White Mages have, but you've got way more flexibility in what you can accomplish while your fairy is covering the curing. It's also the only job that has any sort of haste ability, which is pretty special in itself.
#10 Jun 07 2014 at 4:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Back on topic:

If you still think that Arcanist would be the best fit for my character in this thread: http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1401334592147367919&p=1#13, then I won't try to argue any more, but I just wanted to clarify that even though Limsa Lominsa is more tolerant of outsiders than Gridania is, my character still would probably not find it any more "ideal" to live in due to her intense dislike of nationalism.

My character is Neutral Good - Chaotic Good, depending on the situation and who it is that's talking.

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One other thing I've realized is...to be fair, WHMs and BLMs were hardly peaceniks in the ancient days either. After all, both WERE recklessly and arrogantly overused in warfare, and this led to the Sixth Umbral Era & the arts getting outlawed for general use.

Edited, Jun 7th 2014 7:18am by JFrombaugh

Edited, Jun 7th 2014 7:39am by JFrombaugh
#11 Jun 07 2014 at 1:04 PM Rating: Good
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JFrombaugh wrote:
If you still think that Arcanist would be the best fit for my character in this thread: http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1401334592147367919&p=1#13, then I won't try to argue any more...

Why argue at all? It's your character. It's ultimately your choice which job you pick. You don't need approval from any of us.
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