looks like SE still hasnt learnedFollow

So if your old car was a Ford Focus, and it was time to replace your car, you could only replace it with another Ford Focus?

See, I can make bad analogies too.

Well... not really. Myth became the new "baseline" because philo got scrapped. That's why myth's weekly limit was removed and a new tome with a weekly limit got introduced at the exact same time.



Essentially it does, if we're taking inflation into account (which would be the only real reason to retire the penny).

Inflation is the same sort of thing going on in this game too, it's just coming in the form of item levels.

Actually it is. It takes at minimum, what, 375? to start gearing out in Hero's Accessories and 495? To start gearing out with the actual AF2 set for your Job. It's absolutely the baseline because when you run a set of Brayflox for your Sold tomes for example, by time you hit your 450 for the week you'll definitely be able to start getting myth gear.

There's no lockout on tomes, hence it being the baseline, at least to non lazy people. Philo gear (old DL) was the baseline, especially to go into Coil with.



Incorrect. A Person was locked out on gaining CT gear per week and you could amass 2k philo tomes fairly quickly, remember: People farmed CM speed runs for philo tomes, and even Praetorium. Gaining 2k Tomes over and over gave you gear quicker than you could gear out ONE class in CT gear. ilvl70 gear were crafted which true you could just buy and overmeld, or you could get your quickish 2k tomes and get DL gear instead if you felt that route was better.

If you're talking about as of 2.2? By time you get your i70 gear from hardmode (if it's i70 outside of the DL drops, I already had full myth for everything so never bothered to collect it) you'll end up with your myth gear much quicker than you can actually obtain all of that stuff unless you get lucky with RNG considering SE dropped old philo items in the loot pools.



If you're not farming Myth tomes, sure...but Myth is the standard currency now, it's hard to ignore that.



Except they stated Myth is REPLACING Philo, meaning it should be as close as possible if not the same rate, hence why they're boosting it. If you were correct, they would LOWER it even further.

incorrect. because of random drops.. I know a new player who did nothing but brayflox at 50 and farmed a whole set of il90 tome gear while only getting 3-4 pieces of darklight gear for their job. So yeah

That's like the dude bragging he got his 12 atma in one night of farming and he doesn't see what everyone else's problem is.

It wasn't. It is now.

As far as i70/80 gear goes, if we're talking about just trying to get up a single specific job, you can get myths and acquire your i90 gear on average much faster than you will trying to rely on RNG favor to get your i70/80 crap to drop + win the lot over those shmucks who just want the stuff for vanity / retainer / GC seals or whatever.

Naturally, if you play everything, you're more likely to get i70/80 crap you can use. But for someone who's just made it to 50 on their first job? The focus will be on getting your i90 gear, and any 70/80 gear you happen to pick up on the way will just be a potential bonus.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 11:54am by Fynlar

Even if i70 gear doesn't accumulate as quickly, it's much easier now to get relic weapons and i90 armor, and even some i100 armor in the process.

So, the overall impact on new players' abilities to raise their iLevels has certainly not been diminished. If anything, new players can catch up to the rest of us pretty easily. SE actually designed that pretty well.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 9:14am by Thayos

Something that really doesn't help with collecting i70 gear in particular?

The chests that can drop the armor quite often don't even drop armor, but instead drop "philo mats"

Which might make the crafters happy but not really the people looking for a stepping stone between AF and i90.

Edited, Jun 6th 2014 12:23pm by Fynlar

Yes, can that please die in a fire? Having crafting mats in non-boss coffers is probably fine.. but bosses should drop gear, not water.