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#27 May 14 2014 at 12:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ah right good point.

While we're on the topic, let's discuss a more interesting scenario.

Weathered Evenstar Gloves
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High Allagan Gloves

Assume accuracy isn't needed.

High Allagan Gloves:
25 VIT
24 INT
25 ACC
12 DET

Weathered Evenstar Gloves
22 VIT
21 INT
23 CRIT
16 SSPD

HA gloves = 24 INT + 12DET*(.2 INT/1DET) = 26.4 INT and 25 VIT

WEG = 21 INT + 23CRIT*(.26INT/1CRIT) + 16 SSPD*(.259INT/1SSPD) = (21 + 5.98 + 4.144)INT = 31.124 INT and 22 VIT

Also, the SSPD may push you over a certain mark. Find Puro's table for the specific GCD timers.


So this demonstrates a few points:

1) If ACC isn't needed, secondary stats do make a difference on certain pieces of gear.
2) ilevel does not determine what is truly best...but these situations are pretty few and far between I would say

Edited, May 14th 2014 3:02pm by HitomeOfBismarck
#28 May 14 2014 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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HitomeOfBismarck wrote:
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Can I hug you, please? This is the kind of argument I wanted to hear and you've provided it in such a calm and understanding manner.

You're providing quantitative reasons and specific examples of why spell speed is a benefit particularly for casters and stress using experience to gauge the benefit of spell speed rather than the benefit purely on paper. (IE. You cite using Stat potions, which is a 15 second window, hence higher Spellspeed would most definatly note more iterations within such a timeframe, 7 attack vrs 6 or a straight 17% Damage increase per window if fully utilized.) ) You addressed the core issue I had raised at the beginning: Statistical debates verses Pragmatics.

To which case, I'd like to ask as point of curiosity, is there threshold point you go for to obtain your desire spell speed, much like the accuracy threshold? I'd like to pass that along to my fellow BLMs if possible to help our performance going forward - a goal point for them to work towards.

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Unfortunately, based on what the OP said and how he obtained his stat weights (PuroStrider), he learned that spell speed and crit are about equal. He also neglected the fact that the HA ring has THIRTEEN spell speed on it so it's not just 12 cRIT > 2 INT..it's 12 CRIT << 2 INT + 13 spell speed.


True, when I looked up the stat values it does seem that the particular cited case does run against the whole item BiS moment. But I did agree with most people on that assessment also due to piratical reasons as well. It makes no sense really to push for a weathered if you're already clearing Coil 6 regularly. From what I'm hearing, Mage Loot is as frequent in Second Coil as melee loot was First Coil - though that is speculative.

As an aside, I've yet to really see a full on spreadsheet for DRG the same way Puro does, do you or anyone have link to such a reference if possible? The Dragoon Thread isn't all that easy to follow these days. Whill Skill Speed tends to scale very well with Monk, I've not seen much of a high value placed upon it in Dragoon situations. Mainly due to our already slower rotation with no buffs and emphasis on harder hits already placed in our kit.

Still trying to determine if the 3 Str/23 Skill Speed weighs above 11 Det and 21 Crit. Fortunately, I've more clear cut pieces I still need to upgrade before I have to come to a conclusion on that. But I'm mulling over it.

Anyways Hitome, thank you very much for a clarification on perspective. You've essentially confirmed that there are specific windows both large and important enough in high level fights that necessitate a level of Spellspeed, and have confirmed my suspicion that there are rare cases in which ilvl is not a valid measurement as to what is best for your particular build, though again the rarity must be stressed.

Now I'm just wondering if my particular situation is as such, if people don't mind me hyjacking the thread.
This is my current build. - Mind the Glamours, I'm a Roleplayer >.>

As you can see I'm already waaay over accuracy cap for my current content chokepoints (Coil 5, Titan Ex.)
And my only available headpiece upgrade is Weathered Astrum Helm. The 16 accuracy completely goes to waste. So I really need the stat weights to compare against the STR and Skill Speed, which have different stat values than BLM, and I'm not really piecing together a clear spreadsheet to base stat values on for DRG.

So, I gotta mull over things a bit. Good thing I have Boots, Pants, and a multitude of accessories still to go through beforehand. Most are just straight upgrades so no worries there.

Edited, May 14th 2014 4:36pm by Hyrist
#29 May 14 2014 at 3:18 PM Rating: Good
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Hijacking thread:

Can't post from computers at new job and have to post from phone only now.

So I hijacked this thread to say: I got my weathered WHM pants which are i100 and have more of everything. Also: I like pie.

Please continue decimal points argument...this hijacking is over :)
#30 May 15 2014 at 12:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Endgame is all about... numbers!

(I'm just going to leave this right here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lMTahXSEw4w#t=256
#31 May 15 2014 at 5:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Xoie wrote:
Endgame is all about... numbers!

(I'm just going to leave this right here)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lMTahXSEw4w#t=256


LMAO!! That guy is awesome :)
#32 May 15 2014 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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lol I love ZeroPunctuation.

Will respond to your post when I get home, Hyrist.
#33 May 15 2014 at 5:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well, according to Raw Stat Weights provided by the Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn thread...

Because Accuracy is a complete wash, the stat weight comparisons of Weathered Astrum Helm for me is 7.094 Strength, verses Allegan Visor of Maiming, which has a stat weight of 7.859 Strength.

That's a fairly thin slice, but enough for me to disregard spending the extra Soldiery until my accuracy dips below threshold, which may not be until I replace my Gae Bolg.

Edited, May 15th 2014 7:41pm by Hyrist
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