Atma farming...Follow

All it would take is different viable play styles and different equipment that caters to those play styles. In FFXI something as simple as a sub job change or weapon change could entirely change the way the job was played. A bard puller had different priorities than a bard support mage, who both had different priorities than a bard melee. The same goes for dragoons purely dealing damage vs. dragoons that could solo or support a small group with healing breath, or scholars focused on healing vs. scholars focused on nuking, etc. etc.

Even if there were no gear swapping in FFXI, these play styles would all warrant picking up side grade gear for players dedicated to their jobs who wanted to play them in more than just one way. FF14 right now is very structured with everyone being limited to a single weapon type and many jobs having only a handful of useful cross class abilities to choose from. As long as either new and interesting play styles for different jobs were introduced, or equipment that could completely turn useless abilities into amazing ones were created (effectively doing the same thing, allowing for new play styles that otherwise weren't possible), I could very easily see horizontal progression working just fine.

It's possible.

Build your duo, then ask for two FC members who won't be entering Duty Finder for the next hour to go into the dungeon with you, and then once you're set, drop out. Since you didn't enter from Duty Finder, the numbers will not automatically be replenished. Tada, you can duo the dungeon.

Yeah, I noticed though they're starting to make the newer dungeons less "duo/solo" friendly mechanic wise.

Let's be honest, if anything damaged player's interest in XIV it would be XIV itself and the fact Yoshi himself said he's not diverting from this particular design (not the atma, but general design.) I still see the usual amount of players standing around Mor Dohna and Limsa after a major update so if any interest is damaged, it was bound to happen sooner or later.

I'd be pissed too if I didn't realize I could do Turn 5, Leviathan Extreme or Push through Second Coil instead of doing Animus, since ya know...Animus wasn't the only option.

They started to in 1.2x but...I guess people felt the more generic route than the 'FFXI' route was the better way and constantly requested they get rid of "complex stats on gear" and "latent effects" and since yoshi admitted to never playing XI he probably thought they meant effects like how the WAR Relic in 1.x enhanced Vengence, or Stardust Rod enhanced Flare iirc.

Now that Novus weapons are upgradable to 110, you pretty much need to do Atma. The whole don't-have-to-do-it defense is out the window.

It really makes me sad. Atma is such a poor system, liked by none, tolerated by few.

"I play FFXIV because I can tolerate it!" - What an incredibly limp battle cry.

Don't know why you got rated down for expressing your feelings on the Atma system. I fixed that. Apparently there is no longer any sensible arguments for this crappy system, so rate down is that best the defenders can do.

Those that already have passed the RNG section of this quest line seem to just not realize the effect off 100+ hours of useless FATE farming can have on players other than themselves. Players are quitting! How can anyone not see the inherent problem here?

In reality, I would expect the entire FFXIV community to unite together and ask for a better time-sink system than the type that can be found on some crappy iOS MMO app.

Thing is, because of the way random distribution works, even if the drop rate were 50%, there will always (ALWAYS) be those people who get one every time they hit a fate, and those people who get absolutely zero of them no matter how many fates they do. Simple statistics.

That's the reason purely random systems don't make for good progression in a video game.

I could totally buy a 2% drop rate for this. Farming Atma is starting to feel a bit like trying to HQ Genie Weskit in XI, which took me almost 500 tries to get something that was supposed to happen 1% of the time.

Myth farming is going to be a strain on me as well. However I'm pretty much going to resort to memorizing Crystal Tower and hanging around that.

Though, DPS queues... x.x

Though, it's odd. I tend to get a lot of commendations on my Dragoon so I guess I play it well, when I can play it. Still needing to work on getting my MRD up to snuff so I can us it to farm Myth and bypass this whole long wait bit.

Looking at my sig, I realized the exact number was 476. Not quite 500, but still close. After 200 attempts or so, I kept at it to see just how badly the RNG was going to ***** me over. I may get to that point with Atma as well, though I haven't quite hit that point yet.

My sub has about a month left on it. I'll also see what the notes look like, but I'll probably start burning through some of my Steam library. Need to try and live for more than 3 weeks on Don't Starve, and I also found my old Xenosaga discs for PS2.