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#27 Apr 21 2014 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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The op did say midnight. It's right there in the transcript.

Aside from that, I work in customer service too. Have for many years, and maybe it's just a different corporate culture where you are, but at my company the number one focus in customer service is helping the customer. We are, of course, aware of the dangers of social engineering, but we don't take that as a default position when dealing with a customer. Even reading the transcript again, I feel like the csr didn't really listen to what the op was saying.

Yea i get it, first tier gets a script, stay on script and generally get good results. That's why there is a script. But good csrs see beyond the script and help the customer. Those csrs are the ones who usually see the promotions.

Anyroad, it likely doesn't matter at this point. I'm sure by now he has called and it's all cleared up.


He also said "I stopped playing when 1.0 ended. So around 09/17/2012" - which is not the date the servers shut down.

Hopefully the OP will give us an update of the situation.
#28 Apr 21 2014 at 10:10 AM Rating: Good
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I don't know that it really matters. The OP was telling the guy, "hey, all I have is an approximation based on this documentation that I have because it was two years ago and I don't remember. Is there anything else I can provide, I have xyz as well." How many different ways he can say the same thing isn't relevant, and his date *was* close to the end of XIV. The data was dumped on the 31st, and the servers went down with a whimper on the 11th of the following month.

The csr just wasn't listening to what he was being told and if it were me, I'd have moved on to some other things that are surely on the script, such as security questions on the account, billing and address information confirmation, original game codes registered on the account, Original security token ID number, names of all the characters on the account, etc. This fixation on one thing is just what makes the whole discussion 'wtf', and believe me, once you ask those other questions social engineers are going to bail on the call.

I'm just saying what *I* would have done, based on the training that I've had at various companies. You never make the customer feel like they are a liar. Even if the OP turned out to be someone trying to steal the account and he couldn't answer the more sensitive questions, SE loses nothing by treating him with respect and listening to what he says.
#29 Apr 21 2014 at 4:11 PM Rating: Decent
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He didn't have an attitude. He had a cursor blinking in a field that was asking for a date and time.

They're only allowed to enter information that you provide and if you don't provide proper information, they don't enter anything at all because that's what they're told to do. It may seem insignificant what time of day it was when you logged out, but they need that information to proceed. They need to know when to look for suspicious activity, when to allow an account rollback assuming you were compromised, ect. ect.

I'm not sure what the OP was expecting, but if you're trying to retrieve a compromised account; expect at least 4-6 weeks before resolution.

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#30 Apr 21 2014 at 5:11 PM Rating: Good
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So I tried calling them earlier today and got connected to the same CS I talked to over live chat. After telling him my name and ticket number, he replied with "Oh, it's you again." He put me on hold for around five minutes, and then asked me what I wanted.

Told him I'd like to speak to a supervisor, to which he replied he's not going to let me speak to one. He said that if I had an issue, he would be the one to take care of it. So after refusing my request to talk to a supervisor, I asked if there was someone else that I could speak to. Again, he told me that he wouldn't let me speak to anyone else other than himself. As this is happening, he's constantly interrupting me whenever I try to speak.

So instead of arguing with him further, I just asked him to take down my information. He started where we left off, with the last date and time that I logged off. Told him the exact details this time, November 11th at 2AM EST. Instead of moving on, he questions how I came up with that date, since "that's not what I told him last time." I told him that it was what I told him last time, that it's the date of the final 1.0 event for when the servers shut down, which was the last day that I logged off. Conversation only went downhill from there.

I'm literally making no progress on getting my account back because this guy is roadblocking me every step of the way. I have no idea what his problem is, does he have some sort of vendetta? I'm out of ideas on how to continue from here.
#31 Apr 21 2014 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm literally making no progress on getting my account back because this guy is roadblocking me every step of the way. I have no idea what his problem is, does he have some sort of vendetta?

Maybe he's just terrible. SE's CS has never been great, after all.

But, seeing your responses in this thread -- your aggressive tone and strange interpretation of a rather bland CS conversation (he "threatened" you?) -- I've got to wonder how much your own attitude is getting in your way here. In this thread, it seems like you've lost credibility with almost every additional post you've made. If you took the same posture on the phone, you might be setting off all sorts of warning bells for attempting to revenge hijack someone else's account.
#32 Apr 21 2014 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, now he's being a ****. You can't refuse to let someone speak to a supervisor.

Sorry you had to deal with him again.
#33 Apr 21 2014 at 7:15 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, now he's being a ****. You can't refuse to let someone speak to a supervisor.

Yeah, but honestly I'm a little skeptical of that claim, seeing the responses in this thread. CS folks know that their calls are being recorded and potentially monitored -- they don't refuse escalation to a supervisor for no reason. It's hard not to wonder if parts of the conversation aren't being accurately represented here.
#34 Apr 21 2014 at 7:27 PM Rating: Excellent
It could very well be a difference in culture, but in every customer service job I've ever been in, nay, EVERY job I've ever had, when a customer escalated, you literally shut yourself down, stopped responding, stopped interacting with that customer, and your supervisor or lateral supervisor took over from there. Without question. To hear that an escalation was refused is very strange indeed.

To that, disconnecting the call and recalling them is an option to get away from that rep. Odds of getting the same guy twice in a row is very very small.

I suppose my last question is, "What's stopping you from just buying a 2.0 copy? Is a legacy toon really worth all this?"
#35 Apr 21 2014 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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To that, disconnecting the call and recalling them is an option to get away from that rep. Odds of getting the same guy twice in a row is very very small.


For what it's worth, SE's customer service office was very small during my visit five or six years ago. Granted, that was for XI, and I'm not sure if SE expanded its operations for ARR... but wouldn't shock me if they still had the same relative number of resources.

That would explain how you got the same guy twice.

I remember laughing about it at the time though, thinking, "Oh, so THIS is why people are on hold for six hours whenever they call SE!"

Edited, Apr 21st 2014 6:33pm by Thayos
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#36 Apr 21 2014 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, but honestly I'm a little skeptical of that claim, seeing the responses in this thread. CS folks know that their calls are being recorded and potentially monitored -- they don't refuse escalation to a supervisor for no reason. It's hard not to wonder if parts of the conversation aren't being accurately represented here.


I can understand your skepticism, especially since you're only really getting my side of the story.

When I called and he picked up, all I told him was my name and the ticket number. Even after his comments and putting me on hold for an additional five minutes, all I asked for was to speak to a supervisor. I didn't demand to speak to one, I just asked. When he refused, I asked if there was someone else that I could speak to. He refused again.

At that point, I started to question his motives. He argued back and refused to let me speak at all, and told me that "he would be the one to handle this." I got tired of arguing with him, so I told him to just take down my information. So he picked up where our live chat left off, but we didn't make any progress.

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To that, disconnecting the call and recalling them is an option to get away from that rep. Odds of getting the same guy twice in a row is very very small.


I feel like their account support department is really small, since I got him on both the live chat and the phone. Like Thayos said as well, the wait times over the phone are horrendously long. Disconnecting and calling back could take hours, and I might not get someone else. I can't imagine any other option though.

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I suppose my last question is, "What's stopping you from just buying a 2.0 copy? Is a legacy toon really worth all this?"


Besides this entire experience, my legacy account had multiple level 50s on it with primal weapons. If I can't get the account back, I'm not going to bother.

Edited, Apr 21st 2014 11:08pm by nekroturkey
#37 Apr 21 2014 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Told him I'd like to speak to a supervisor, to which he replied he's not going to let me speak to one. He said that if I had an issue, he would be the one to take care of it. So after refusing my request to talk to a supervisor, I asked if there was someone else that I could speak to. Again, he told me that he wouldn't let me speak to anyone else other than himself. As this is happening, he's constantly interrupting me whenever I try to speak.


Please do not take this the wrong way...

You really don't need to speak to a supervisor. They're going to tell you the same thing. If you're reporting your account as compromised then they follow a strict protocol.

Step 1: Your account is frozen. Until they resolve the issue(either figure out what led to your account being compromised or decide that all is well) no one will be granted login access on your account.

Step 2: They mail out a form for you to fill out and have notarized. If you don't already know, a notary is just someone who checks your identification and verifies that what you have on the form matches your ID. They sign and/or stamp the form and...

Step 3: /mailbox

Step 4: /toetap for roughly 4-6 weeks until you hear back from them

The steps that follow depend on what their investigation is able to find. If they find that your account was indeed compromised, they will release it to you and probably follow up with an email about the character restoration process. If whoever stole your account erased characters or tossed items, you get a one-time mulligan that allows you to roll back your account. This (among other things) is why the date is important. I'm not certain what their policy on 1.0 rollbacks is, but I'm sure it'll be explained if it's a possibility.

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Mountains out of molehills.

Get the damn form and prove you're the owner first. They honestly don't know you from me until you submit the form to prove who you are. If they match up your ID with the name associated with your account(and a few more critical details) then they'll actually talk to you. Until you do that Daniel W won't help you, his supervisor won't help you, Jesus Christ won't help you Smiley: clown
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#38 Apr 21 2014 at 9:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
You really don't need to speak to a supervisor. They're going to tell you the same thing. If you're reporting your account as compromised then they follow a strict protocol.


I understand what you're saying, but I can't make any headway if I keep getting this CS agent. That's why I asked to speak to a supervisor, or at the very least another agent. Even after he refused my requests, I still tried to work with him to just get through this. But like I said, I'm not any closer to getting my account back than I was the last time I talked to him.
#39 Apr 21 2014 at 9:31 PM Rating: Decent
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nekroturkey wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
You really don't need to speak to a supervisor. They're going to tell you the same thing. If you're reporting your account as compromised then they follow a strict protocol.


I understand what you're saying, but I can't make any headway if I keep getting this CS agent. That's why I asked to speak to a supervisor, or at the very least another agent. Even after he refused my requests, I still tried to work with him to just get through this. But like I said, I'm not any closer to getting my account back than I was the last time I talked to him.



Even if you got a fresh intern they'd ask the same exact questions. There's no getting around that.
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#40 Apr 21 2014 at 9:32 PM Rating: Good
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Besides this entire experience, my legacy account had multiple level 50s on it with primal weapons. If I can't get the account back, I'm not going to bother.


Hey, that's absolutely a good reason and definitely well worth this.
#41 Apr 21 2014 at 9:45 PM Rating: Good
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nekroturkey wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
You really don't need to speak to a supervisor. They're going to tell you the same thing. If you're reporting your account as compromised then they follow a strict protocol.


I understand what you're saying, but I can't make any headway if I keep getting this CS agent. That's why I asked to speak to a supervisor, or at the very least another agent. Even after he refused my requests, I still tried to work with him to just get through this. But like I said, I'm not any closer to getting my account back than I was the last time I talked to him.



Even if you got a fresh intern they'd ask the same exact questions. There's no getting around that.


I'm not trying to get around the questions, I'm trying to get around this agent. Like I said, we picked up right where our live chat left off, and I gave him an exact date and time for my last log out. Instead of just moving on now, he's arguing with me about how that's not what I said before, even though technically it is. But if I gave him the same answer that I told him before he would argue with me about how that's not specific enough for him.

I don't know what his problem is. Maybe he's refusing to help me because he adamantly believes I'm not the account owner? But if he would just allow me the opportunity to fill out the notary form, then I could just send it in and get this over with.
#42 Apr 21 2014 at 10:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Besides this entire experience, my legacy account had multiple level 50s on it with primal weapons. If I can't get the account back, I'm not going to bother.


Hey, that's absolutely a good reason and definitely well worth this.


I also don't feel comfortable about the fact that someone hacked one of my accounts and has my personal information at their disposal.
#43 Apr 21 2014 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
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nekroturkey wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
You really don't need to speak to a supervisor. They're going to tell you the same thing. If you're reporting your account as compromised then they follow a strict protocol.


I understand what you're saying, but I can't make any headway if I keep getting this CS agent. That's why I asked to speak to a supervisor, or at the very least another agent. Even after he refused my requests, I still tried to work with him to just get through this. But like I said, I'm not any closer to getting my account back than I was the last time I talked to him.

I understand you're upset, but the best thing you can do right now is have them send you the form. They're much more likely to deal with you if they know you're the owner of the account in question. As I've said, be aware that this process takes at least a month usually more. They're in no rush to do anything other than lock the account until they verify that everything is correct.

If you think about it, that's exactly what you'd want them to do. Force someone to prove that they're you before you allow them to make changes to your account details.
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#44 Apr 21 2014 at 11:25 PM Rating: Good
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
I understand you're upset, but the best thing you can do right now is have them send you the form.


I've requested the notary form verbally, and the CS agent denied my request. Since he's refusing to record any of the information I give him regarding my account, I can't get to the point where I can have the notary form sent to me. That's the problem I'm having, lack of progress, which is why I requested to speak to someone else.

His initial issue was in regards to the last date that I had logged out, which I told him was during the final 1.0 event at midnight when the servers shut down. Now he's arguing that the date I'm giving him is different from what I initially told him, which it isn't. If the servers went down on November 11th at 2AM EST, then I gave him the correct information, since my timezone is PST (which would be midnight my time).

I can't get to the point where I can have the notary form sent to me because he refuses to move on from that question.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2014 1:25am by nekroturkey
#45 Apr 21 2014 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
Try giving them another call tomorrow morning (it's night where I'm at in Phoenix, assuming you're in the US). HOPEFULLY you'll get another CSR. If you don't, hang up, try again. If you get him twice in a row, demand someone else and/or his leader. IF he refuses, state you require him to connect you to his leader, grab his Avaya G3 ID Number (it's a special ID number assigned to reps and used for tracking and permissions purposes, among other things. I can't imagine SE doesn't use Avaya) and name, and if he still refuses, rinse lather and repeat until you get someone else and can escalate.

Give them the rundown, advise them the CSR has refused to move forward with your case and that you've requested the notary form after asking all of his questions to the best of your ability.

That... is really all you can do.

If all the facts are on the table and what's happening is exactly what we're reading, this guy is just becoming a **** now. It's one thing to protect company assets, of which your account is a company asset and owned by them, not you. It's another to be a ****. We all know what that means.

Edited, Apr 22nd 2014 1:43am by darexius2010
#46 Apr 22 2014 at 12:41 AM Rating: Decent
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His initial issue was in regards to the last date that I had logged out, which I told him was during the final 1.0 event at midnight when the servers shut down. Now he's arguing that the date I'm giving him is different from what I initially told him, which it isn't. If the servers went down on November 11th at 2AM EST, then I gave him the correct information, since my timezone is PST (which would be midnight my time).


The info you're giving him IS different from what you gave the first time. He's not incorrect in pointing that out. Honestly it seems like you got off on the wrong foot with him. He's there to help you recover your account and you're in no position to make demands(which you've clearly already done). Try again on another day and hope you get someone else.

This time... realize that these people don't know who you are. If the person who stole your account changed your previous information and what you're providing them now doesn't match it, you will have to prove that you are the owner BEFORE they will do anything else. Investigation takes up to two months with another added week or so if you find that you need a character restoration. It's going to take time so if you're short of patience already then you're best served just starting over.

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Because I forgot... 2AM EST is 11 PM PST, not midnight. Not only the time would be wrong, but the date.


Edited, Apr 22nd 2014 3:29am by FilthMcNasty
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#47 Apr 22 2014 at 6:15 AM Rating: Good
Just plain "Agent ID" will be fine. They could use Nortel, they could use Lync, they could use Plantronics, they could use Cisco. Avaya is common, but not always the one in use.

Filthy is right. At this point, as far as Square Enix knows, they're protecting the account from someone trying to phish for the information. And explain that the reason you told him (or whichever agent you get) two different dates was because one was the last date you paid, and the other was the last date you actually played.

CSRs are like cops. Things go a lot more smoothly if you're nice and respectful of them. That said, their power is pretty limited. They're usually college graduates who are stuck in a $10 dead end job and making their job more difficult or getting them angry is probably going to get you nowhere.
#48 Apr 22 2014 at 7:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, now he's being a ****. You can't refuse to let someone speak to a supervisor.

Yeah, but honestly I'm a little skeptical of that claim, seeing the responses in this thread. CS folks know that their calls are being recorded and potentially monitored -- they don't refuse escalation to a supervisor for no reason. It's hard not to wonder if parts of the conversation aren't being accurately represented here.


You would think so, but I worked for T-Mobile a few years back and as part of our training we listened to some calls from previous reps. Some were great - the kind of thing that you would expect.

Some... You just would not believe what these people would say.

Here's an example - It wasn't *documented* at the time, but you could tether your blackberry to your laptop and use the internet over the T-Mobile network without an extra charge. It was kind of an open secret, and if a customer called asking for help, we would help them set it up. Well this one csr apparently wasn't in on the *secret* and he just gave a customer an incredibly hard time. He called the guy names, told him he was trying to steal from T-Mobile and that he wasn't going to be a part of "defrauding his company" - it was really awful how antagonistic this guy was and it was just unnecessary.

You'd think that knowing someone could be listening would stop this kind of behavior, but sometimes... You just get these kinds of ****** csrs.
#49 Apr 22 2014 at 8:00 AM Rating: Good
Yeah, I worked as a supervisor in a call center for seven years. 90% of my team members were amazing. There is at least one time where I was monitoring a call live and I literally had to interrupt the CSR and take over and apologize to the customer mid-call because the person was being ... an unethical human being. *cough*

I'm so glad that I no longer have direct reports. Smiley: disappointed
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