Second Coil Turn 3 cheating - Players suspendedFollow

So what you're saying is...you're one of the people who got suspended?

I think mess has a point. They should focus more energy on keeping exploits from becoming a problem instead of trying to punish people and hoping that will solve the problem. We've already seen that it doesn't.

The POS hack issue is a carry over from their band-aid fix for server latency issues. It's a problem that is easily solved and in less time and hassle than it takes to investigate multiple accounts and hand out disciplinary action. SE should mend their track record of not dealing with these issues.

Agreed. Every MMO has a hole or two whether it's security, coding, terrain etc, it happens, nothing will ever be perfect. The thing is though, if you know an exploit is there, it's simple:

Don't. *******. Use. It.

How hard is that? It's like, some people love to say "well they didn't close the hole so clearly it's there for us to use", Stuff like that will eventually be fixed but as this is a "new" MMO they have to work on content development and since they figured no one would really get past t5/turn6/7 that it will be ok, but some stuff you can't ever fully "get rid of." The 2 main bots people use for example, they will always be updated to get around whatever fix SE does because people who suck at games will always want a way to cheat, it's as simple as that. I say suck at games because there's no reason to ever use an exploit, bots or cheats unless you're either lazy or bad at the game. especially in MMOs. It's not like using cheats to get DK mode in GoldenEye.

The height position hack? Done by people who don't even know a proper rotation on their job. The Pet positioning hack that causes extreme primals to ignore the party and lock them in their "intro phase"? Yeah, that's still around too and used by people who normally could never complete it, I usually leave parties the second I see Eos or Selene flip the primal around (Titan/Ifrit/Garuda). However, I say they're one of the people doing it because they said SE is "blaming the players", you have the choice of cheating or not and you can't get upset when SE takes action because it's still a punishable offense, they're not wrong for suspending or banning people who cheat. What MMO allows you to cheat, ever?

I wonder if people get pissed off when the cops get called on them when they choose to steal from stores because they have their items set out on shelves in the isles rather than behind glass cases or rows of vending machines? It's pretty much the same concept that it's your choice to do "wrong" or not given the opportunity.

No reason why the guys assigned to banning cheaters can't ban them, whilst the guys assigned to fixing said exploits fix them.

Cheaters should most certainly be banned, though.

What Thayos is saying is that every game developer has multiple teams.

Customer Service Team
Programming Team
Artwork Team
Animation Team

etc etc etc.

They got the Team that handles the banning of the cheaters, this would likely be the Game Moderation team (GMs). The said GMs' job is to do things like catch/ban the cheaters. They have absolutely nothing to do with the programming, bug exploit fixes, etc.

So while the programmers are sifting through code trying to figure out how to fix the exploits, we might as well have the GM team nuke the cheaters, right?

It simply isn't fair to sit here going "Wow, SE should just fix the exploits instead of just doing nothing but banning cheaters" probably because they are trying to find fixes. Maybe things like POS hacking is something buried deep in the game's engine that is Not easy to fix by any stretch, or the potential fix(es) would have other undesirable effects that they are not willing do.

Just because the GMs are banning the cheaters, doesn't mean that they don't have a team working on trying to find solutions to the problem at the same time. And it isn't as easy as "well take some GMs and put em on finding a way to fix it" because the GMs are likely GMs because they are not programmers.



I'm quite sure that if it were THAT easy, they'd have done it by now. SE hates RMT/cheaters just as much as every other developer does, and just as much as any legitimate player does. I have my sincere doubts that they are just shrugging off RMT/Cheaters because of laziness or apathy.

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 3:49pm by Lyrailis

I don't need a Thayos translator. It's not my native language, but I do understand rah-rah


I don't understand how you think that's unfair. SE implemented the change, but they didn't think it through. They saw the problem and introduced a 'fix' that didn't actually fix the problem, it created others. The part of your post I bolded is exactly what happened here.


I'm going to have to disagree here. When SE announced housing it created a sharp increase in the demand for gil. Sharp enough that it destabilized the economy. Subsequently, the amount of RMT activity spiked as well.

Housing on it's own is a 'fix' because it's a gil sink. They can regulate the prices to control the amount of gil being created in the economy by funneling some out. It may have served it's purpose, but there is no doubt that it also pushed some people to participating in RMT. Not the intended effect, but a byproduct of their poor implementation of an otherwise good idea.

They have good intentions, but they have poor execution. Tighten up SE

Edited, Apr 5th 2014 6:59pm by FilthMcNasty

If you decrease the demand for gil, then you pretty much kill the market. Kill the market and you'll have all kinds of players complaining there's no market.

So what Exactly are you saying to do then?

Make the housing cheap? Then everybody can sit around with millions of gil with nothing to spend it on. Create new gil sinks? Well look, there's RMT jumping up to sell gil.

You can't have both. You have to choose one or the other. Either you want the money to be worth something (and end up with RMT), or you don't (money is worthless = no market).

My only point with the statement I made above was that if you want to remove RMT you need to decrease(not remove) the demand. When housing was introduced the demand for gil was high and prices crashed because everyone tucked every penny they could find under their mattress. You couldn't sell items at lower than usual prices and players who were looking to get a home quickly were shedding items and materials for much cheaper than they normally would. Items aren't even worth the time it takes to craft them.

So SE wants it to take players 3 months to get housing. Why not facilitate that through a quest line. Tie some key item to completion of a weekly quest. After a month you unlock your plot of land. At the end of month 2 maybe you get to start building your house and by the end of the third month you can decorate it and open it to the public. Gating the housing content with gil was never a good idea. There are any number of ways to go about gating content, but putting it behind a gil wall always results in more RMT activity.



I never said they didn't have different departments handling different things. I'm not sure where that idea comes from. Actually I pointed out that GMs forward issues to different departments so I'm not sure why you're confused about that.

Edited, Apr 6th 2014 12:12am by FilthMcNasty

It has nothing at all to do with the point I was making and I still told you. You're still confused. I'm still not surprised

Hey it could be one of those companies with way too many chiefs and not enough indians (so to speak)?

Edited, Apr 6th 2014 9:40am by reptiletim

I think I'd probably have to chief to figure out what the hell Thayos is talking about... always on some next-level nonsense

Up here with the rest of us? You act like P2P players are better than anyone else. You act like FF gamers are more mature than everyone else. What's the weather like up there?