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#1 Mar 23 2014 at 10:50 AM Rating: Default
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Im sure this doesnt apply to any of the regulars on this board but I figure Id put it out there anyway.

Just because you see someone with multiple lvl 50s in full DL or higher with relic +1 and no FC doesnt mean they wanna join one or join yours. Especially not one that just sends a blind invite instead of one thats professional enough to send a tell asking beforehand and maybe giving some info about their FC to let the person in question be able to decide if your FC is right for them.


just my two cents
#2 Mar 23 2014 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
I've never understood people who send blind invites for anything. Perhaps that's because I'm scarred from mining in XI, when RMT would try to invite players to their parties so they could D2 them away. Smiley: lol
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#3 Mar 23 2014 at 11:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Thayos wrote:
I've never understood people who send blind invites for anything. Perhaps that's because I'm scarred from mining in XI, when RMT would try to invite players to their parties so they could D2 them away. Smiley: lol


When i was a noob in xi many years ago, i was with my friend in the dunes when we saw a BLM in full AF and we thought he was really pimp. My friend was begging him for money and i dont think he was really happy about that. He told us "Want to see a magic trick?" And invited my friend to his party. He warped my friend back to bastok lol. Lesson learned.

As for the blind invite thing, it may just be a videogame, but its still rude. Send a tell first asking if they want one and then invite. You cant forget though that its not only north america playing on the servers. Maybe in other cultures this perfectly normal. So calling people out for this might not be so simple. It might just be an instance of differing cultures.
#4 Mar 25 2014 at 6:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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Never understood this either. When i'm on a new character or way back before i had my current FC, i'd run around and get spam invited by whoever noticed me running or found me in a /search...

Here's the thing. Why would you want to join a Free Company that enforces this tactic and thus clearly doesnt care about you or what kind of members they invite. That Shinra group on my server used to do this, they ended up with 200+ people from it, and i've not heard of anyone being happy in there except for the handful of core members and the leaders. People leave constantly because no one helps them, they get ignored or simply because inviting all the trash off the streets doesnt exactly help make things better. And following that no one seems to want them in their FC's anymore since they were tarnished from hanging out with those people who recruited anyone from actual friendly adventurers to face-smash-keyboard people we saw warping/hacking around the mining points in the first weeks.

Yet people still throw around blind invites for just about any FC you can imagine, then cry foul and curse when one of the newly invited people runs off with the guild bank or starts being a **** in the chat.

I like the new application system, and i feel it should entirely replace the current invite system. Make invites impossible and people only allowed to join by applying to a Free Company out of their free will instead.
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#5 Mar 25 2014 at 7:35 AM Rating: Excellent
Well, sometimes we make FC arrangements outside of the game (my FC is built from three major sources, and the one member we grabbed from in game left within a few days.) In that case, having the ability to send an invite is useful.

An easier thing to do would be to give someone a toggle to just turn off FC invites in their settings. The default will be "View invitations to Free Companies" and turned on, but someone can turn it off and stop seeing invites they don't want.

The inviter could get a message that says "This player is not accepting free company invitations at this time" to let them know not to bother spamming.

Everyone is happy!
#6 Mar 25 2014 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
Well, sometimes we make FC arrangements outside of the game (my FC is built from three major sources, and the one member we grabbed from in game left within a few days.) In that case, having the ability to send an invite is useful.

An easier thing to do would be to give someone a toggle to just turn off FC invites in their settings. The default will be "View invitations to Free Companies" and turned on, but someone can turn it off and stop seeing invites they don't want.

The inviter could get a message that says "This player is not accepting free company invitations at this time" to let them know not to bother spamming.

Everyone is happy!

Well, World of Warcraft has that, but all that changed was that people not only spam-invite them (just incase it works or they hadnt turned it off yet), but to also send a completely impersonal macro'd /tell along with it demanding that they join. It wouldnt exactly call that progress since it just doubles the anoyance.

Having a core group of 20 members that are active, helpful and that you can get to know is so much better than an impersonal 200+ Free Company anyhow.

Especially in XIV everything is already so impersonal. Dungeon groups rarely talk, only if someone messes up to cuss at them. Why would you want an impersonal Free Company as well? You know you're just going to get used.

Funny story about that actually, a FC on my server did just that. Invited a crapload of people, just about anyone, had them around for a month or two, then "demanded" contributions from all those people so they could buy a house. And as soon as everyone put money in, they... culled the herd, so to speak, and removed over 80% of their members that the leadership didnt approve of or that the core group didnt want to have around. I remember seeing the shouts from someone who handed over something like 700k only to be kicked the day after.
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#7 Mar 25 2014 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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As someone who has been endgame for months, has the gear and the jobs to show it, and has been without a FC the entire time, I emphatically endorse some way to screen all the invites I don't want to see. There are people out there who will spam me 5+ times in five minutes, as though it was a fluke I declined the first four. Those who care enough to remember my name eventually stop asking, but there are others who will send the same macro every week or two, even if they don't spam. Honestly, it's annoying, and I'll keep hoping for a method better than 'ignore it and hope it will go away' for dealing.
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#8 Mar 25 2014 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Kouren wrote:
As someone who has been endgame for months, has the gear and the jobs to show it, and has been without a FC the entire time, I emphatically endorse some way to screen all the invites I don't want to see. There are people out there who will spam me 5+ times in five minutes, as though it was a fluke I declined the first four. Those who care enough to remember my name eventually stop asking, but there are others who will send the same macro every week or two, even if they don't spam. Honestly, it's annoying, and I'll keep hoping for a method better than 'ignore it and hope it will go away' for dealing.


Does blisting the person work?
#9 Mar 25 2014 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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I'd wager it does, but it's more extreme than I want, as I play with some of them occasionally. It's also virtually impossible to tell who's inviting if they don't PM in advance. :(
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#10 Mar 25 2014 at 2:58 PM Rating: Good
Start a FC. Surely there are two others out there that don't want to be in a FC too.
Call it "Leave Me Alone."
Set the FC tag to appear after your names as "GoAway."
Any time you hear a shout from someone complaining that they don't want to be in a FC and to please stop spamming invites, send the tell and offer them a spot in your non-FC group.
No actions, no chat. People can drop any time they want to join a "real" FC.

25K is a reasonable price for peace of mind, no?

Edited, Mar 25th 2014 4:59pm by Catwho
#11 Mar 25 2014 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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Part of the reason I don't have a FC is because I like not having a tag by my name, and I enjoy the independence and self-representation it implies. A tag, even with me, myself, and I, takes anyway the appearance of autonomy I so enjoy. I realize it's semantics, and it's kind of silly, but it's important enough to me I wouldn't even trade it for the convenience of being able to transfer things between my characters. I'm also sure everyone who is without a FC at this point in the game's life have some sort of reason for it, and tacking on another tag there instead may not fix it. In my case, a tiny FC is still a FC.
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#12 Mar 25 2014 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
Kouren wrote:
Part of the reason I don't have a FC is because I like not having a tag by my name, and I enjoy the independence and self-representation it implies. A tag, even with me, myself, and I, takes anyway the appearance of autonomy I so enjoy. I realize it's semantics, and it's kind of silly, but it's important enough to me I wouldn't even trade it for the convenience of being able to transfer things between my characters. I'm also sure everyone who is without a FC at this point in the game's life have some sort of reason for it, and tacking on another tag there instead may not fix it. In my case, a tiny FC is still a FC.


I don't look at someone without a FC and think they have autonomy or independence.

I look at them and feel bad for them because I think they don't have any friends.
#13 Mar 25 2014 at 6:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
I don't look at someone without a FC and think they have autonomy or independence.

I look at them and feel bad for them because I think they don't have any friends.

Same. Autonomy and independence are ideas I never even consider when I see people without a FC. When I see people over level 20 or so without a FC I'm more likely to wonder why they're so antisocial in a MMO.
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#14 Mar 25 2014 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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I wrote that on my (tragically short) break, or I would have said this earlier, but I meant in the tone of 'on one's own merits.' People can and do get judged on their FC, for better or worse. I've had people say things like 'if you join us, people will know you're not bad.' It might be true, but they'd think I'm a jerk instead. I don't want to be carried or dragged down by a tag, and I have shells and friends to fill that socializing middle ground. There are some nuances I can't articulate, but it boils down to wanting to build my niche without FC influences. I know not everybody cares about reputation, and this is in truth only a small part of why I personally have no Company, but it's a nag that's still there.
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#15 Mar 26 2014 at 7:00 AM Rating: Good
I guess it depends primarily on what you intend to get out of a FC. We use ours much more like the old linkshells in FFXI, as a vehicle to hang out and chat. So far anything else we've done with it has been from the built in stuff (company ranks, etc.) We're small, very loosely organized and not endgame focused (lots of newbies in the pipes) so we're very low drama.
#16 Mar 26 2014 at 7:27 AM Rating: Good
Catwho wrote:
Kouren wrote:
Part of the reason I don't have a FC is because I like not having a tag by my name, and I enjoy the independence and self-representation it implies. A tag, even with me, myself, and I, takes anyway the appearance of autonomy I so enjoy. I realize it's semantics, and it's kind of silly, but it's important enough to me I wouldn't even trade it for the convenience of being able to transfer things between my characters. I'm also sure everyone who is without a FC at this point in the game's life have some sort of reason for it, and tacking on another tag there instead may not fix it. In my case, a tiny FC is still a FC.


I don't look at someone without a FC and think they have autonomy or independence.

I look at them and feel bad for them because I think they don't have any friends.


Catwho wrote:
I guess it depends primarily on what you intend to get out of a FC. We use ours much more like the old linkshells in FFXI, as a vehicle to hang out and chat. So far anything else we've done with it has been from the built in stuff (company ranks, etc.) We're small, very loosely organized and not endgame focused (lots of newbies in the pipes) so we're very low drama.


I don't have a FC (was part of one up until a month ago when it disbanded). I find they can just get too big and half the people I don't seem to recognize, so the same few people always gather together to get things accomplished. I'm sure some other FC's are better at spreading the wealth, but cliques form whether people want them to or not.

So I've stuck it out with a couple small LS' and we've managed to do more for more people. For some reason in the LS' everyone knows each other quite well and help gets provided for everyone. Oddly enough, these people I play with are all in different companies, yet they seem to do nothing with their FC's. I see what SE was going for with what they have, but it doesn't seem like it's worked out 100%.

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