So this Echo Buff...Follow

Show's over guys! All arguments moot! Not really, most people always try to take the most efficient route, whatever that is. Well then again you admitted you would use this carebear easymode buff for farming purposes so you know that.

Any system that rewards you for dying is a bad one. I believe the Lightning DLC in XIII-2 did something similar where the worse you are, the easier the boss became.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 11:02am by LucasNox

The current set of turns feels far too dependent on having one or more BRDs, so I'm fine with this nerf.

Friends from WoW who moved to FFXIV said a lot of expectations in Raid Finder were using the wipe wipe wipe buff method to get easy clears. Like Hyrist, it depends on your group. I fully expect PUGs to want it, and I expect PF to have "No Echo" runs as well. I moved form Ultros to Adamantoise and have been playing since early access but didn't get into a FC that developed a coil static until middle of February roughly. I don't feel too 'penalized' for not getting to clear T5 before the nerf, it's the nature of time is all (to me it fees like the game is still brand new but it has been over 6 months).

The High Voltage nerf doesn't affect us as that never was a problem for completing content.

I don't know, you're not gonna convince me on this one. The game shouldn't change to become easier for you if you lose.

If there was an easy-mode server and it did this then maybe I'd be ok but it applies to everyone and the buff is huge.

I appreciate that you can click and deactivate the buff but most obsessive min/max'ers aren't gonna do that. For example I'd feel like it was my duty to keep that bonus damage buff. If I don't think the buff should have been added to begin with then I can surely place blame on the developers.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 1:11pm by LucasNox

I disagree. I think the reason they're adding things like this is to make the game more appealing to WoW players. Seriously though, how far do we let Yoshi keep going before we expect him to be hauled in for completely jacking all of Blizzard's ideas? He seems pretty determined...


Edited, Mar 21st 2014 1:51pm by FilthMcNasty

Those were debuffs that they later reduced, but since everything else from WoW makes it's way into XIV... look forward to it

Red Herring.

First the origin or intent is irrelevant to the mechanic, period. It simply does not matter if we're appealing to the WoW crowd or the Everquest Crowd or the CoD Crowd. If the game is appealing to more people on account of providing more options for people to tacking dated content, be they geard for whatever flavor of casual you wish to put on them.

Hey, I like Kingdom Hearts, does that make me part of the Casual KH crowd? It's pointless pegging the casual base as the WoW crowd. Scaling difficulty with age of content was practiced in FFXI as well, given the multiple nerfs to CoP, adjustments to ToAU, and the eventual abolishment of level caps for most if not all content in those ranges.

Also, citing that Yoshida is following a lot of WoW's established practices and mechanics is old news to begin with. We knew pre-beta that was happening. I don't like WoW, but its financial success is undeniable, and some of its practices are the cause of that, regardless of the criticism it garnered from more veteran players.

But again, we can speculate as to the reasons all we like. What they do for the playerbase and the fact that it's optional is the focus of the discussion. "I don't like it because it's a WoW mechanic." Is a horrendous opinion to infer, and this is coming from someone who does not like WoW.

You know the more it goes away from FFXI and more it becomes more like WOW the less I like it.. If I wanted to play WOW I would, I dont like WOW.. You cant beet them at their own game they have had years to perfect it.

I think having the option available still makes the game easier. Do you even realize how much +50% attack power per person in your party amounts to?

I think, at this point, my 2 year old baby nephew could basically beat Titan EX with ease. Maybe I'd need to help guide him but for the most part he could do it if he just kept dying and building up his Echo buff.

Anyway, even if you turn it off (which you said that you won't), it's still making the game less difficult.

No amount of echo buff will help you clear Titan or Twin if you're dead in the lava or can't dodge twisters.

I know, but 25% is still a ton.

This, good god this. No one has issues attacking a mob, sure some may not be as efficient with their rotation as others, but everyone can stand there like a knob attacking. The biggest issues we ALWAYS have is finding people dodging plumes and lava and bombs and whatever other pattern that happens in identical fashion over and over.

I suppose an attack buff will push all phases faster leading to having to dodge fewer things though. That being said, whenever we've pushed phases too fast, funny things happen. Exploding invisible bombs, landslide by invisible Titan, Gaol's showing well after he's jumped up. Those things tend to be harder to dodge cause you're not quite sure what else is going to glitch.

I've never plugged any other MMORPGs unless you mean the post about how awful WildStar is and how FFXIV is better.

In case you're this out of touch, by the way, Dark Souls is quite popular as are many challenging games. I hear more about people hating games because they're too easy than because they're too hard. Some of us actually like overcoming challenges instead of just being rewarded for our failures.

You "just checked"? Lucas hasn't been my main since like the first week. I had to change it for privacy reasons after Hitome told his/her FC to all block me, but I'm friends with most of them now.

I've cleared all HM and EX content which you can now bypass with this easymode buff, by the way. I actually do feel that I have the right to say that it's bullcrap.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 5:08pm by LucasNox