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#1 Mar 19 2014 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
A topic about POS hacking was posted with a video earlier tonight on Reddit, I have no idea why the mods over there took it down...
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/20v1zt/lets_try_and_get_squareenix_to_do_something/ wrote:
Hello my fellow FFXIV players,

just like many peoples in the endgame community I cleared the content a while ago, I know it's not hard and a decent group with enough time spent will kill Twintania.

What puzzled me for a while was how the hell all these peoples got their hands on i95 weapons!

I was really curious about how some peoples that struggled with Titan HM (and still do, actually) could kill Twintania! There's no FC doing T5 carries on my server so that was out of the picture.

Turns out it's still incredibly easy to "hack" it away using various 3rd party softwares (bots, or simple teleport hacks), and SE has done absolutely nothing about it so far!

We've seen some random guy talking about "friend of a friend who got in a party with cheaters but it wasn't me don't hate me blablabla" not too long ago, let's take it up a notch with a video this time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oHbRG8RKUI

As you can see it's not rocket science. Enter the area however the @#%^ you want, get past the cutscene, teleport with a single click and start nuking.

Hardest part: you need a ranged class, yeah it's that hard.

Whatever you think will happen during this fight DOESN'T! If Twintania can't reach you, she does absolutely nothing!

Conflagration/fireball? Nope.
Divebombs? Nope.
Big explosion? Nope.
Enrage timer? Nope.

Nothing will happen during the fight, it's just going to sit there, get nuked to death and you get your loots.

I'm posting this sh*t to raise awareness, I think it's really time for SE to do something about it!

As I type this, I know of one botter (and i'm not talking about some chinese dude here) running Wanderer's Palace over and over with 4 accounts and generating over 3M gils (he's bragging about 4/5, so let's say 3 ;)) everyday!

This specific bot has profiles that makes your party leader register for a dungeon, you 4 bots enter, teleport to a specific spot and nuke everything > teleport to next spot > nuke everything... You don't need any tanking or healing, you teleport mid-air and are never take any damage.

Every server has a small community of botters, right now botting smart is so safe with SE doing abso-@#%^ing-lutely nothing that people gather in botting Free Companies or Linkshells, they don't even have to hide from each others or anything because NOTHING is done against it. One of these FC brought a large house last week like that, think about it.

Now feel free to do whatever you want, spread the word or downvote this to oblivion, but think about it the next time some mouth breather with Twin's weapon ruins your party.


Do you think SE will do something about it?
These exploits have been around since release, kinda feels like they can't be bothered dealing with it.

Edited, Mar 19th 2014 10:11pm by Nooodame
#2 Mar 19 2014 at 9:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Probably not.

Fixing some of the broken mechanics would help some, but they don't have the manpower to sniff out all of the bots. They've demonstrated that they're content with monitoring very specific activities and allowing players to be automatically suspended or banned. We're talking about a company that created a bot to catch and suspend/ban other bots.
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#3 Mar 19 2014 at 9:12 PM Rating: Decent
I doubt it. The same speed hack works in FFXI which always worked as far as I know. As long as it's not server related and they can't easily pick up on it automatically then no they probably aren't going to get punished.

Then again if the guy in OP's anecdote is selling things in an irregular and obvious fashion in the logs then he might be banned if he's reported. Just depends.

Hacks & exploits are really hard to punish because so many of them are undetectable and really everything being instanced and (if you want) 100% private just makes it worse.

I wonder if a FFXIV GM even has the ability to spy on a full instance let alone take action. <- Anybody know? Can GMs go to full instances? I'm actually pretty curious.

Edited, Mar 19th 2014 11:17pm by LucasNox
#4 Mar 19 2014 at 9:15 PM Rating: Good
FilthMcNasty wrote:
We're talking about a company that created a bot to catch and suspend/ban other bots.


To be fair this is what every efficient company does, except they would just use their own program/bot to locate bot activity, not to take action obviously. If that's true then that's dumb. Are you talking about FFXI or FFXIV?

Edited, Mar 19th 2014 11:16pm by LucasNox
#5 Mar 19 2014 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
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LucasNox wrote:
FilthMcNasty wrote:
We're talking about a company that created a bot to catch and suspend/ban other bots.


To be fair this is what every efficient company does, except they would just use their own program/bot to locate bot activity, not to take action obviously.


The most efficient way to deal with it starts in development and implementation. They use the same practices in both XI and XIV. If you sell too many items to an NPC or if you make a certain amount of money using market wards, your account is flagged automatically. Just saying, they could do more to prevent the spill rather than just waiting to clean up the mess.
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#6 Mar 19 2014 at 11:39 PM Rating: Good
That's not really fair. The hackers and exploiters are constantly coming up with new ways around things. I'm sure that there was originally blocks and ways to track them in place, they changed, Square Enix has to figure out a new way to find them, etc. I'm sure a company like Blizzard would have plenty of ways to automatically have your character flagged and investigated. As long as the second part is done properly then there isn't a problem with the first part.

Yeah you don't want the 'spillage' aka botting/hacking/exploiting to occur but it does/did/always does, so you have to figure out how you're going to deal with it and having staff surveying every area isn't going to work. You're mostly relying on player reports and automatic flagging. Hopefully a combination of the two would give some accounts/characters priority for investigation and player reports are taken seriously.

Edited, Mar 20th 2014 1:42am by LucasNox
#7 Mar 20 2014 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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theres a reason SE has to be very delicate with this.

Firstly, SE will NOT have any video proof other than a bunch of numbers to look at when someone is hacking/botting. So it is entirely possible that a legit player may get banned for no reason.

How can this happen you ask? simple. Glitches happen all the time. It is very possible someone accidentally moves into a position they are not allowed to be in. so banning people who are simply not where they are supposed to be may get real players banned. Fortunately SE is not going to fight a war against bots where the collateral damage is real players.

The only way they will catch these people is by having a GM ready to watch the fight of anyone who attempts Twintania at any time of the day. Unfortunately that costs too much money. The only thing that will catch these people, is reporting them for suspicious activity. Sure that doesn't seem to work sometimes, if at all, but it's better than nothing.

I realize it may seem "Square does nothing about bots", but I don't want to see real players get hurt, and neither does anyone else. That person could be you, and I already know you would get pissed off if it was. They are doing what they can without hurting us. In the end one of 2 things will happen to those people. They will get banned, or get bored and quit because the game won't be rewarding. It's only a matter of time.
#8 Mar 20 2014 at 4:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Keysofgaruda wrote:
theres a reason SE has to be very delicate with this.

Firstly, SE will NOT have any video proof other than a bunch of numbers to look at when someone is hacking/botting. So it is entirely possible that a legit player may get banned for no reason.

How can this happen you ask? simple. Glitches happen all the time. It is very possible someone accidentally moves into a position they are not allowed to be in. so banning people who are simply not where they are supposed to be may get real players banned. Fortunately SE is not going to fight a war against bots where the collateral damage is real players.


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This.

I once logged into my character in FFXI and for some reason, they were moving at +50% speed (nearly the speed of Flee) as a WHM/BLM. I noticed everything else was drastically sped up too.

I immediately logged out as soon as I noticed (within 30 seconds) fearing I was gonna get banned. Logged back in, still doing it.

I had to do a cold reboot of my computer to get rid of whatever RAM glitch was causing that. When I did, and logged back on, it was working normal.

RE:Others:

Don't act like other top-of-the-line games don't have their botters/hackers/exploiters, either. Look at WoW, the #1 populated MMO in the world. Botters are very much alive there. Just ask anybody who does Random Battlegrounds about bots; they're everywhere. Or anytime you see people on flying mounts that can't fly (you can use gryphons in areas you cannot fly normally) "jump-walking" through the air to get mining nodes. When Mists of Pandaria first came out, you'd see scores of Lv85 Protection Paladins gathering loads of Ghost Iron while "flying" (the gryphon's wings were not flapping) through the air. Problem: One can't fly there until Level 90.

Also, back during Wrath, people flying out-of-bounds and mining nodes from behind the walls was common too.

And then you got the glitchers, people who'd exploit game mechanics. The top raiding guilds got in trouble all the time (which made Blizz FINALLY wise up and get rid of some of the "First" achievements in the coming expansion) by exploiting boss mechanics in ways they KNOW are exploits just to get that "first" kill in, only to get in trouble and have their achievement/title/progress stripped anyways. Or the people in the plethora of Neutral areas attacking other players while purposefully standing on top of objects so the NPC guards can't retaliate, etc.

The list goes on and on and on and on. Every game is plagued with this type of scum, not just XI and XIV. Though I will admit the constant /tells coming from face-on-keyboard names gets annoying. I blacklist them, but they keep coming and keep coming.

Edited, Mar 20th 2014 6:42am by Lyrailis
#9 Mar 20 2014 at 8:31 AM Rating: Default
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Keysofgaruda wrote:
theres a reason SE has to be very delicate with this.

Firstly, SE will NOT have any video proof other than a bunch of numbers to look at when someone is hacking/botting. So it is entirely possible that a legit player may get banned for no reason.

How can this happen you ask? simple. Glitches happen all the time. It is very possible someone accidentally moves into a position they are not allowed to be in. so banning people who are simply not where they are supposed to be may get real players banned. Fortunately SE is not going to fight a war against bots where the collateral damage is real players.

The only way they will catch these people is by having a GM ready to watch the fight of anyone who attempts Twintania at any time of the day. Unfortunately that costs too much money. The only thing that will catch these people, is reporting them for suspicious activity. Sure that doesn't seem to work sometimes, if at all, but it's better than nothing.

I realize it may seem "Square does nothing about bots", but I don't want to see real players get hurt, and neither does anyone else. That person could be you, and I already know you would get pissed off if it was. They are doing what they can without hurting us. In the end one of 2 things will happen to those people. They will get banned, or get bored and quit because the game won't be rewarding. It's only a matter of time.


I totally agree...
But if this is happening it needs to be stopped because it tips the balance. It could hurt the game, i wonder if SE even knows about it... I have never heard about it but it may be rolling around a different server and has not got to ours yet.

Edited, Mar 20th 2014 10:32am by Nashred
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#10 Mar 20 2014 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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LucasNox wrote:
That's not really fair. The hackers and exploiters are constantly coming up with new ways around things. I'm sure that there was originally blocks and ways to track them in place, they changed, Square Enix has to figure out a new way to find them, etc. I'm sure a company like Blizzard would have plenty of ways to automatically have your character flagged and investigated. As long as the second part is done properly then there isn't a problem with the first part.


I haven't played in a while, but the spectral tiger mount from the TCG was the only item so rare that you'd actually have to save up for any extended period of time to obtain. Anything else you'd use gold to purchase was easily farmed for in a matter of a few days of normal play.

LucasNox wrote:
Yeah you don't want the 'spillage' aka botting/hacking/exploiting to occur but it does/did/always does, so you have to figure out how you're going to deal with it and having staff surveying every area isn't going to work. You're mostly relying on player reports and automatic flagging. Hopefully a combination of the two would give some accounts/characters priority for investigation and player reports are taken seriously.


I think you misunderstood. SE's stance on botting and hacking is reactionary instead of preventative. The spill is just a metaphor for the problem getting out of control. They have the tools to clean up the mess, but they don't look at things that would prevent it from happening in the first place.

When you drive to work with your coffee or tea, you don't set it on the dash and just bring a roll of paper towels because you know it will spill. You do things like not overfilling your cup, using a lid if you do fill it and using a cup holder to keep it from shifting around. The focus needs to shift to the front end where the root of the problems are.

Keysofgaruda wrote:
Fortunately SE is not going to fight a war against bots where the collateral damage is real players.

Many players of both XI and XIV have been wrongfully suspended and banned. I would also point out that many mechanics of both games have been implemented or adjusted in a way that they impact normal players just as much, if not more than bots.
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#11 Mar 20 2014 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I think you misunderstood. SE's stance on botting and hacking is reactionary instead of preventative. The spill is just a metaphor for the problem getting out of control. They have the tools to clean up the mess, but they don't look at things that would prevent it from happening in the first place.

When you drive to work with your coffee or tea, you don't set it on the dash and just bring a roll of paper towels because you know it will spill. You do things like not overfilling your cup, using a lid if you do fill it and using a cup holder to keep it from shifting around. The focus needs to shift to the front end where the root of the problems are.


Sometimes that's "Easier said than done". Are you a top-level programmer who has the experience and skill to work on an MMORPG such as FFXIV? No? Then you are probably not qualified to say what they can, or can't do with the code, the game's engine, or the AI used by enemies. But then, I'm no top-level programmer myself; that's why I'm not acting like an armchair developer.

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Many players of both XI and XIV have been wrongfully suspended and banned. I would also point out that many mechanics of both games have been implemented or adjusted in a way that they impact normal players just as much, if not more than bots.


Regrettably, these things happen. With diseases such as RMT, Exploiters and Hackers, there is always collateral damage when trying to deal with them. When doctors try to surgically remove tumorous tissue from your body, there's always good tissue that gets removed along with the bad tissue. It is unavoidable.

If they get even more aggressive than they are now, then the number of wrongfully banned people goes up, and if they get more aggressive with trying to nail down exploits, then innocent players are affected in even more drastic ways, which I doubt any legit player wants.

We want them to fix the exploits, sure. But we want them to do it in such a way that won't ruin the game for us, nor do any of us wanna get banned wrongfully. It is an important matter that requires utmost care, and the best we can do is have a little faith that they are trying to find both a temporary solution to the problem (bans, etc) and a permanent one (fixing it so they can't do it anymore).
#12 Mar 20 2014 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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The last time this came up, within a week or two of it getting around the forums, Yoshi posted a statement saying people needed to stop immediately, never do something like this again, and everyone would be reviewed. There would be suspensions and bans.

This was related to the Titan Hard-mode glitch that allowed for titan to lock onto a character that jumped off the board, and the party just got to burn through him.

Needless to say, the ban-hammer came with no mercy, people whined about being unfairly targeted, and there was a little bit of whining, and it passed.

Well, it's been ~1 year, and it looks like its time for more ban-hammer. Hopefully this time he is more liberal with it, and doesn't bother warning. Since he gave one already, there really should be no need for a second.
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#13 Mar 20 2014 at 1:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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What I find silly is the urgency of the reddit poster, that this is something SE absolutely positively must act on right away. It's not like we're talking about mining bots that actually have a negative impact on other players. All this bug really does is threaten the (misplaced) feeling of self worth some players have built up based on their accomplishments and shiny loot.

Bad players can ruin my party with or without Twintania loot.
#14 Mar 20 2014 at 3:24 PM Rating: Good
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Lyrailis wrote:
Sometimes that's "Easier said than done". Are you a top-level programmer who has the experience and skill to work on an MMORPG such as FFXIV? No? Then you are probably not qualified to say what they can, or can't do with the code, the game's engine, or the AI used by enemies. But then, I'm no top-level programmer myself; that's why I'm not acting like an armchair developer.


If I didn't know better, I'd swear that you compared the people who brought us "please stop jumping in PvP" to top-level programmers. If we were talking about top-level programmers then we wouldn't be discussing how easy it is for people to exploit broken mechanics Smiley: rolleyes

Lyrailis wrote:
If they get even more aggressive than they are now, then the number of wrongfully banned people goes up, and if they get more aggressive with trying to nail down exploits, then innocent players are affected in even more drastic ways, which I doubt any legit player wants.

Not suggesting at all that they get more aggressive, just that they do more to prevent the problems. It's pretty well known that suspending and banning accounts does almost nothing to thwart RMT. "Oh noes I'm bant. Nao I gotta wait a whole day before I can start making the IRL gils. Hao sad Smiley: frown"

Companies employ what is known as 'loss prevention' crews to keep people from stealing. You can't prevent any damage from being done after the fact. If you owned a store would you let people walk out of there with merchandise because you know your cameras will see them and then send police to their house a month later on round-up day? Your merchandise would almost certainly never be recovered and the damage is done. Why not try to keep stealing from happening in the first place? That's all I'm saying here. There is much more they could be doing to prevent the problems where they originate.


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#15 Mar 20 2014 at 3:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not suggesting at all that they get more aggressive, just that they do more to prevent the problems. It's pretty well known that suspending and banning accounts does almost nothing to thwart RMT. "Oh noes I'm bant. Nao I gotta wait a whole day before I can start making the IRL gils. Hao sad


Sure, true.

Remember when Scorpion Harnesses were 16,000,000g in FFXI?

I do.

That was the RMT's Heyday in FFXI, where there were bots everywhere. SE did banning wave after banning wave banning the RMT and their bots and it did nothing.

Then, they turned the banhammers on the gil BUYERS.

Wouldn't you know it, a few months later, Scorpion Harnesses were down to 50,000g and other prices went down in a similar fashion?

Sure, RMT people don't care if their farmbots get banned. Regular players, however, don't want their 500+ hour /played accounts banned.
#16 Mar 20 2014 at 3:52 PM Rating: Decent
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I honestly just don't give a damn if someone cheats their way to shiny loot. What some other player has and how they got means exactly nothing to me. Of course it helps I'm comfortable enough with my ***** size that I don't have to have shiny toys to feel good about it.
#17 Mar 20 2014 at 8:24 PM Rating: Good
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Lyrailis wrote:
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Not suggesting at all that they get more aggressive, just that they do more to prevent the problems. It's pretty well known that suspending and banning accounts does almost nothing to thwart RMT. "Oh noes I'm bant. Nao I gotta wait a whole day before I can start making the IRL gils. Hao sad


Sure, true.

Remember when Scorpion Harnesses were 16,000,000g in FFXI?

I do.

That was the RMT's Heyday in FFXI, where there were bots everywhere. SE did banning wave after banning wave banning the RMT and their bots and it did nothing.

Then, they turned the banhammers on the gil BUYERS.

Wouldn't you know it, a few months later, Scorpion Harnesses were down to 50,000g and other prices went down in a similar fashion?

Sure, RMT people don't care if their farmbots get banned. Regular players, however, don't want their 500+ hour /played accounts banned.

You're a bit too quick to connect a single cause to a single result, as if there were no other factors involved. SE did far more than just banning sellers and buyers. They also severely nerfed the NPC buy back price of many, many items.

I also don't quite buy your time line. I don't remember NQ SH being 16 mil. NQs were pretty high too, but not nearly that high. And it was more than a few months later when NQ SH dropped to something like 50k gil. At that point, even the gradually increasing supply of V. Claws had an impact by slowly bringing down the value of NQ SH. The 16 mil SH was probably during the hey day of manaburns selling their services for clearing ODS for you. Players began to clear ODS through more traditional party setups independent of the counter measures SE was taking toward RMT.
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I also don't quite buy your time line. I don't remember NQ SH being 16 mil. NQs were pretty high too, but not nearly that high. And it was more than a few months later when NQ SH dropped to something like 50k gil. At that point, even the gradually increasing supply of V. Claws had an impact by slowly bringing down the value of NQ SH. The 16 mil SH was probably during the hey day of manaburns selling their services for clearing ODS for you. Players began to clear ODS through more traditional party setups independent of the counter measures SE was taking toward RMT.


I remember the 16mil NQs very well. But then, Economy by server varies; mine might have been different from yours. This was before WoTG, and I *think* it was during CoP. But I am not 100% sure of this. I do know, however, it was Pre-WotG.
#19 Mar 20 2014 at 9:51 PM Rating: Decent
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Remember when Scorpion Harnesses were 16,000,000g in FFXI?

I do.

That was the RMT's Heyday in FFXI, where there were bots everywhere. SE did banning wave after banning wave banning the RMT and their bots and it did nothing.

Then, they turned the banhammers on the gil BUYERS.

Wouldn't you know it, a few months later, Scorpion Harnesses were down to 50,000g and other prices went down in a similar fashion?

Sure, RMT people don't care if their farmbots get banned. Regular players, however, don't want their 500+ hour /played accounts banned.


Is this actually what happened? Yeah, I remember Vermillion Cloaks, Scorpion Harnesses, etc. eventually hitting up to around 15M and finally crashing later on, but was it really about banning the buyers? A lot of my friends bought Gil back then and were never banned or anything. I also really doubt that Square Enix would permanently ban a North American who decided to buy some Gil but I've been wrong before.

Edited, Mar 20th 2014 11:52pm by LucasNox
#20 Mar 20 2014 at 10:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eh probably involved both buyers and the actual bots selling the gil. They introduced the STFU which really got to work on banning everything and anything that looked remotely fishy because it became such a huge issue.

Doesn't matter if you ban the buyer if the buyer still buys the item with said gil before he is banned. It would have still shown up on the AH as a purchase. It also seems they were very reluctant to ban their buyers outright and resorted to warnings or suspensions. When you look at it, banning a person paying you $15 a month to play your game isn't exactly business friendly.

As far as the bots bugging out bosses now...I can't remember correctly but I'm pretty sure SE intervened on the first few Twin 'kills' when the disconnect bug was still a feature. You remember when they locked turn 5 for an entire two weeks to fix the bug, right?

However, these were very isolated incidents. Now that everyone is killing her, it might be slightly harder to monitor every kill. Considering I still see people teleporting around the map mining for fish and receive a RMT tell every 15 minutes while in game, I am not too sure they are very motivated in killing off RMT exactly like their attitude towards RMT pre-STFU.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 12:52am by HitomeOfBismarck
#21 Mar 20 2014 at 11:38 PM Rating: Good
15 million scorpion harnesses was 2004 just after COP came out. I remember because I paid five million for Blessed pants and another two million for the gloves. Normal quality.

It sucked.

Edited, Mar 21st 2014 1:39am by Catwho
#22 Mar 21 2014 at 2:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Lyrailis wrote:
Sure, true.

Remember when Scorpion Harnesses were 16,000,000g in FFXI?


Yes, I do. I sold several.

Lyrailis wrote:
That was the RMT's Heyday in FFXI, where there were bots everywhere. SE did banning wave after banning wave banning the RMT and their bots and it did nothing.

The banning waves did nothing because the RMT wasn't the cause of the issue. The massive influx of gil was a result of normal players and RMT participating in what was normal activity at the time. SE never stated what the activity was even as a warning before it was finally patched so they ended up banning many players who were not associated with RMT, simply because they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

Lyrailis wrote:
Sure, RMT people don't care if their farmbots get banned. Regular players, however, don't want their 500+ hour /played accounts banned.

Yet that's exactly what happened back then. Instead of coming out with an apology and a statement, they came out with the banhammer and no explanation at all. Not even so much as a warning. The way I see it, they made a conscious decision to freeze the accounts of legitimate players to deal with the gil inflation problem. Collateral damage Smiley: glare

The prices were never really back to normal on my server. It took quite a while for the added gil sinks(chocobo rental fees, ect.) to drain out all of that gil.
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#23 Mar 22 2014 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Doubt they can detect it or are actively searching for it, which is a shame.

It's just going to revolve around the Titan routine they gave us;

"It's come to our attention that with the use of a pet placed outside of the arena you can glitch Titan into an easy win. Please refrain from doing this."

And that's all they ever mentioned or did about it. Same can be said for turn 5 or anything. They cant detect it, they wont ban people over it. Only reason mining bots are being removed (rarely) is because people are reporting them. In an instance, who is there to witness you doing this? no one, that's whom.

They're just going to get away with it and ruin things for the rest of us :/
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