ARR is a savior!Follow

And then due to a magical leap of logic you can apply your LS to represent the whole playerbase.

I especially like how you say you don't cling to the game but then go on to say "you can't quit playing" because X and Y.

A hint: not all people progress in the game at the pace your LS does. I am trying to clear Titan HM as we speak - I do beastmen dailies too but do you seriously think that's all I'm doing? There's plenty for me to accomplish even today and I have played since the release.

Would you like me to poll ~1200 players and make this a statistical study? :)

You have several threads on the OF. You have my experiences with my own friends. And you have these forums. Quite a lot of people seem to be bored no matter where you go. Is the truth that hard to accept?

I especially like how your reading comprehension has gotten progressively worse as this thread has progressed.



Is it that hard to understand? Many of us have found artificial inflation of the game's life through alt characters. In a game designed around just one character, this may hint to a bigger problem.

Many of us stick around because an MMO is about community. This FC has spent 6 months building our own. Why would we just throw it away due to lack of content when there is more possible content so very close? So some do just log in only when necessary but some of us still find things to do while biding the time till 2.2 That doesn't mean that we necessarily enjoy what we're doing to the maximum extent: it's just the only option left.

The LS I'm apart of is not equivalent to my FC. It has players who range from extremely casual (with maybe one level 50 and logging in twice a week) to extremely hardcore (a couple 50s, lots of endgame experience, and logging in daily). In fact, one of the members in that shell pretty much just crafts while only having slight interest in DoW/DoM jobs. Guess who I rarely see anymore due to the economy making crafting less viable?

You know: this is kind of what I already explained to you. Two of the more casual members who are friends outside of the game quit this week after logging in and discussing why they were leaving.

Just because I can find something to do doesn't mean it will appeal to the vast majority of people at level 50 doing nothing but logging in on Monday/Tuesday for coil and CT/myth capping.

A good indication of the general populace has always been in DF. In September, no one was able to do Garuda or Titan HM in DF. Towards November/December, most people could easily deal with Garuda but had trouble with Titan. In January, Titan HM became less of an issue. In February, Garuda Ex showed signs of becoming less of an issue. As of this weekend, I am seeing more and more DF parties get Titan Ex down to 15-20%.

PF has accelerated the rate at which people are able to clear content by removing a large portion of the variability that DF brings.

There are many clues in front of your face and I was generous enough to link you to some of them. If you wish to be willfully obtuse about it, that is your problem. After running DF Titan HM this morning and succeeding 6 times out of 8, I'd say you are the outlier.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 8:24am by HitomeOfBismarck

I love people like you: ignore any evidence contrary to your position because it is convenient for you. Unwilling to even look at the thread on the OF linked...dismissing it as a bunch of trolls when the OF probably has the most diverse group of player ranges of any forum there is for FF14 of credible size. You know: the size you wish for me to use in order to make my claims.

Here is what I do know: I play this game a lot more than you. I interact with the general populace a lot more than you as a result. I am more willing to believe that my experiences are just a tad more accurate than yours based on this alone.

I don't think you understand how DF Titan HM works. Usually there are only two people, not including myself, who have done the encounter before in any given DF I join. PF usually contains 4 or so people who have done the fight before. Why you are not PFing this is another issue....

It's wonderful that you think I should make claims based on sample sizes like in statistics. How many times have you done DF Titan HM I wonder? I've done it 114 times as of this morning. How about Garuda HM? Garuda Ex? Titan Ex? Ifrit Ex? Storyline Garuda and Titan?

Let's just say my sample size for each of these encounters is fairly large enough to make such claims about the population distribution while being off a tad. Your evidence...wait: you don't have any.

What really makes me laugh is the following: people, like you, seem to advocate that there is a lot to do in this game and everything is fine. What people like you fail to realize is that you would also benefit from the developer adding more content onto the game: giving you even more bang for your buck.

But no: let's build a game based on the LCD and that will just have to be good enough.

BTW, all of this was unnecessary argumentation. I had everything I needed to know about you with this quote:



You actually seek the LCD game design. God forbid someone with more time to devote to their hobby becomes better at their hobby than someone who doesn't devote as much time. I guess you should be as good at the piano as I am, devoting 19 years of my life to my hobby, after you take up the hobby for a mere year's worth of time.

It's almost as if you think that the pace at which you play this game should be the pace at which all players play this game.

Someone once said:




Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 10:37am by HitomeOfBismarck

In our FC of 20 regularly active players, maybe five don't log in anymore out of boredom, but they haven't quit. A few may return soon to start doing Coil, which they haven't done yet.

Interestingly enough, a couple of others stopped logging in because they couldn't get past Titan HM.

There has definitely been a dip in population, but mostly among the people who we all knew would devour the content, get bored and leave temporarily. As for the rest of us, most of us are still being kept plenty busy with the content in the game now.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 8:38am by Thayos

LucasNox, are you trying to say nothing has been added to ARR since launch?

Sure looks like that's what you're saying!

Not only was the content update schedule delayed by two months, but we've actually had a fair amount of content added to the game already.

It's just that the most hardcore players are able to blow through it quickly, and then they complain loudly about it.

Most of ARR's players are still in game, chugging away, too busy and satisfied to rant on the official forums.

The real question is it good content? Adding content to add content is one thing but is it good content and good enough to keep people playing?
Got to keep people playing or they will leave for the next thing and once they leave it is harder to get them back. This is not the only game out there.

I really like CT but it is now getting really really old now, Sunday I almost fell asleep in it... Coil I still enjoy but not as much as when I started it. I dont want to start to feel like i am just going through the motions.. But I am starting to feel that way.. I need to feel like I am accomplishing things.
Last week was good though. With my FC we beat ultimate bane with no one down and then went and did Titan hm and completed with no one down.. Felt pretty good for me.. I had normally had such bad lag in Titan hm but the upgrade I did on my laptop seemed to have helped some...



Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 12:34pm by Nashred

I don't dismiss these people's feelings regarding this game. What I do dismiss is taking this incredibly tiny sample size and generalizing it to encompass the whole population. E.g. what you have been doing for the past 10 posts.



PF groups usually demand me to have experience when doing the encounters. Which is fine. However, I do not have the experience yet, thus I DF until I feel like I have the encounter down for myself. Maybe I end up winning in the meantime, though its unlikely.

The fact you didn't even realize this much tells me enough to know not to trust your judgment.



Fortunately I am not the one claiming anything except that your sample size is laughable to determine the general playerbase's feelings. And for that claim I don't need to do Titan HM 100 times.

Even the very fact you are using your own experiences to argue is a laughable thing to do if you want to be taken seriously.




This is funny as hell. You become better at your hobby by becoming more skilled at it than I. Devoting more time equals you becoming more skilled only if there is an encounter that demands more time to be learned. Simply being able to grind more than I can does not equal you becoming more skilled than me. It is an utterly selfish and nonsensical way of justifying why you should be "better" than I am. Just because you have more hours to put into the game?

If it doesn't result in you clearing encounters that I cannot clear due to a skill gap, that's fine. Requiring more time investment DOES NOT equal becoming more skilled than I.

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 8:48pm by Hyanmen

Meh. If you say so. You completed Titan HM after 6 months and that's fine but you're going seriously out of the box to say that that's normal.

You do have to pay for this game and even if you consider it hardcore/no-life'ing -- whatever you want to call it, some people just try to play enough to justify the monthly fees and get their money's worth. I'm not actually a hardcore player (on FFXIV) and I don't feel like I have any real reason to log in atm or anything to do. I don't feel like I "blow through" content at some ridiculous speed.

If you want to try to set up the narrative that I am playing the game wrong and the fault lies with me, go ahead.

I have a busy schedule outside of gaming. I was still able to get to level 50 and steadily defeat the bosses with my group of friends. Keep in mind that you, one person, are telling an entire group of people (me, and everyone who I played with) that we are playing the game wrong.

Because they pay for the game and have every right too just like anyone else. They also have every right to play the game how they feel fit as long as it doesn't go against the terms of agreement.


This is a pay game and you say people should not feel entitled. Yes they are because they pay for the game. They are entitled to quit the game if it aint to their liking as well as anyone else. Just like anything, satellite radio , a magazine subscription etc. Anything with a monthly or year fee you have everY right to complain about it if it is not up to your standard and you also have the right to not subscribe if they fail to change or live up too it..

When a company that has a product that they need to keep subscribers starts to think "hey just be happy with what we give you" They are doomed.


This is not a free game. If it were than people should not feel entitled to anything well because it is free..


Basically it comes down to people have to feel there is enough to justify the monthly fee to keep them busy and is good content..








Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 1:28pm by Nashred

That's not really a good example. What you're saying is more like:

If you're paying monthly for a magazine subscription and the publisher is taking a long time to release new issues, then it's your fault and you should have read more slowly.

It's kinda hard for me to be compare my ARR situation with the sports car one (even if I get imaginative).

Edited, Mar 3rd 2014 1:26pm by LucasNox