Crystal Tower and the communityFollow

I am not sure it is just CT and is part of the community in this game..
I mean look at the post here on ZAM of people complaining about people dropping, about getting newbooted, people in CT etc.

I played ffxi for a very long time and never did I see this level a d-bagery in game or complained about it on the forums like this. I mean people spent more time talking about the actual game and jobs on the forums..

I think there are several reasons:
1.) I think the general population in FFXI cared about their reputation because they were planning on playing the game much longer term.
2.) Most people played the game so long they became adults.
3.) This game is too easy and caters to too many kids who just don’t know how to act yet. (not all kids act like this, some are very mature)
4.) The game has more people right now.
5.) The game is new and most of the d-bags will move on to the next big thing.
6.) A llot of end game just aint that much fun right now and people dont want to spend one second more than they have too on it, so they have zero tolerance to anyone less skilled or experienced than them .

I mean FFXIV is almost as bad as playing halo or cod and being in party chat with all the little kids swearing and screaming in the mic sometimes

Now I have met allot of nice people in this game too, it is not all bad. You know what though most are from FFXI.. I keep hearing wait till the WOW expansion things will get better. Is this the WOW mentality? Never played it.

I know about a several people in my FC and several outside my fc that have talked about leaving FFXIV because of the rudeness in this game and going back too FFXI..


Some of the people dont really see all this because they spend most time with their FC or have not got to end game yet and that seems to be where most of the problems are right now.. It really dont say much about end game or the longevity of the game at least as it is now if things dont change.. I think I see it allot because I fell behind because of RL stuff and have had to do allot of duty finder to catch up and in the beginning I also didn't want to have to ask continually for help from the FC without being able to contribute back.. If you stay out of DF you would never even know it was like this.

Again there are allot of nice people too.. I have met some really very nice people in this game...... My FC is full of nice people and some very nice people on this forum too. I have meet some extremely helpful people.. Itis a percentage of them out there that kind of wreck the experience though. I think some of the people in this game I will be as close too as some of my friends in FFXI..








Edited, Jan 22nd 2014 2:21pm by Nashred

"I don't heal stupid, because stupid should hurt."

That's pretty much the motto to adopt as a healer. If you constantly baby people that act like above BLMs or whatnot, you're only encouraging them. Mistakes are one thing; acting like a complete ******* is another.

Edited, Jan 22nd 2014 6:50pm by Viertel

Most my CT's have ranged from barely tolerable to pretty good, with "barely tolerable" equating to "insane e-peen contests but we still manage to follow the basics of dungeon etiquette, like waiting for everyone to be inside the boss area and actually performing their roles in a decent way."

Last night I had something totally different....the Intentional Troll CT. There was a pair of people, DRG and BRD, in my group, as well as another DRG, and a MNK in another alliance, who all seemed to know the second DRG. The first DRG, the BRD and the MNK (and one or two others who's classes escapes me) were perpetually ragging on the second DRG. They were calling him terrible, saying that he intentionally pulled stuff when he in fact did not (including one instance where the MNK in question sloooowly walked towards King B until he aggro'd them, knowing that a good 6-7 people from the alliance were still running to the boss).

And no, it wasn't like we were waiting a long time either and this MNK did it out of frustration. We had *just* arrived when the MNK does this, and then turns around and blames it on the second DRG in my party. Then the first DRG and the BRD all jump on top of the second DRG.

So I put up a vote to kick the BRD. It passed. Then I said how it would be nice if we could kick the DRG too, since I had used my kick on the BRD. Turns out the BRD was in voice chat with the DRG.

So we get to Acheron, and as we're all setting up, a Garuda pet from a SMN in the party with the MNK pulls Acheron before everyone is there. Most of us run out, the rest die (with the MNK loudly proclaiming his innocence), and the MNK's party attempts to kick him. At least four of the people in the MNK's party were with him, because two separate kick attempts did not work. Of course by now most people in my party were tired of this ****, which is why the BRD was kicked (she was the main instigator after the MNK, but in front of the DRG she was on chat with). Lots of talk about people wasting the time of others just for the sake of "trolling" and what not.

I can't remember the name of the BRD....Feloray Laventus I think....but the DRG was Battlestar Galactica (original, I know) and the MNK was Flat Liner. This was on server group Primal. Since the Zam group is on the same server group as I am, do yourselves a favor and if one of these three is every in your CT raid, just boot them right off the bat. You'll save your entire raid a great deal of grief, and they play DPS so you'll wait maybe a nanosecond before finding a replacement.

People aren't THAT bad in CT. Usually it's fairly lighthearted and fun. I find that people try their best to be informative and give some leeway with mistakes, but if they are repeated over and over again by the same person, then it gets nasty. As for the OP's comments, I think there is just a lot of tank hate going on in the game right now. So many tanks are trolling the DF and DR with incessant withdraws...especially CT. I would say that every time I run CT I have to wait through at least 15-20 minutes of tank withdraws before a group actually gets started. I assume that is where a lot of the tank related animosity in CT is coming from. As a side note, I haven't logged in since 2.15 went live, so not sure if the withdraw thing was fixed or not. Been feeling a bit burnt out as of late.

The thing is you cant troll back if you need the tomes or something off the last drop.. If you **** them off and you are running for myth tomes they use the lock out glitch so you can not finish and are forced to drop.. Or they become another type of DH and start to wipe the party over and over and over. I have run into both several times. trolling back only makes thing worse anyway...

We said the same thing last night..

You know I guess it is because I take what I do in the game seriously and have very little time to get sh*t done so I hate people wasting my time too. I like to be the best at my job and be geared the best but in this game I feel like I waste my time so much because of these d-bags.. You know I get home yesterday and Tesee goes I have never seen so many a-holes in a game. She goes I wasted half my day.. She first does a d/f roulette and there is a new tank and he does not know the map.. He also was a new tank and she says this healer and dps did nothing but give him crap the whole way and pull mobs ahead of him instead of helping him. then he leaves... She said she felt so bad for the guy..

Then she goes I sat in DF for Garuda Ex for 1.5 hours and she gets in and someone killed the spiny plume by accident, tank leaves, game over after 15 min.. She ques up again for 45 minutes tank drops after 5 minutes....

This game is just feeling like I waste my time you spend 40 min in ct just to have someone lock you out. I played FFXI for 7 years or so and never had to deal with it.. Game is starting become no fun at times. pretty much the only fun I have lately has been coil with the FC..

Why you dont see the problems? who knows.. Maybe you play less or use d/f less and use the FC more, maybe it is just luck.. Maybe you play with Charlie more who is a tank so you dont see the problems that come along with tanks dropping all the time or getting primadona on you.. I really dont know..



Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 1:18pm by Nashred

Well I think that's it.. Again it is not 100 percent of the time but since end game it is allot and DF..

She also was doing beast quest and this Galka comes up to her and says you want me to clear the agros for you.. She goes no you dont have too and goes yea but thats what I do is help. She thought that was extremely nice... But she never got to thank him because DF went off while he was helping here and got put in Garuda EX. She felt really bad about that... But see there are good things that happen too...


Trying to get a garuda EX party together through DF is only going to work 1 out 20 times depending on who you go in with or what your job is.. I do allot of higher stuff now like garuda ex., coil king moogle, etc and so many people dont even know the fight period and there is no excuse with the internet to not at least watch the fight, ps3 has youtube built in. I didn't see this stuff low level.

There are very nice people in this game for sure.. My whole FC is full of nice people and very helpfull.. Some really good players but it is hard to rely on them for everything. Be nice to avoid DF..

Now with us caught up it wont be so bad we wont have to DF as much..

I am going to use party finder more and DF to practice and learn ...

As time goes on I will have more people on my friends list.

I also dont want to rip on all tanks there are some very good nice ones out there too... It also aint just tanks...



Edited, Jan 23rd 2014 2:29pm by Nashred

Had two tanks who knew each other in one alliance grab the two dragons on the first fight and use them to murder the entire raid while chanting things like "DIE FOR YOUR SINS!" And then they locked everyone out of the battlefield for round 2, so people just gave up and quit. It was painful since our group had waited almost an hour to gather a team and enter just to be treated to this trolling, so I logged off for the evening.

But that was pretty much the worst experience I've had. It really helps to sign up for CT through the Party Finder because at least you want to keep a good reputation among your server-mates, and if you do get along well, you can sign up for additional trips with confidence. Having a shorter wait time helps too.

There was awful drama in XI!!!

It was just different. Here, you have name-calling and rage quitting. In FFXI, you had botting, MPK to rival linkshells, stealing claims, class elitism/exclusion, people stealing ls banks, etc.

Funny you mention this, because I am constantly jumping around on my character. I cannot for the life of me sit still. So I'd be someone you wouldn't want to party with, but I might end up being one of the best tanks you ever ran with.

I actually tend to do this a lot also, nervous twitch I guess, I just can't stand still.