Wake me when it's 2.2Follow

Haha.. thanks very much!!

Yeah I ate a bomb during the clock and x patterns because I was running to where i would during the first part of the fight. Apparently there is some fine tuning in that end portion that I wasn't hip to. I believe I was in double digit HP at one point... then couldn't figure out why I was having so much trouble topping off.... still had Cleric Stance up from DPS pre-heart lol.

I know it wasn't the ideal ending for you and Tesee, but me and Baha were talking right after about how relieved and re-energized we were to be past that wall. I for one will be volunteering any time I'm able to when someone is in need for this. It would be so great to be able to jump in and crush this guy at any time.

Communist!!!!!!!

(lol, jk! I'm right there with you. Infrastructure is kinda important.)

I can't wait to see what they'll do with content in a cumulative sense. Is old content abandoned when the ilevel rises or will they manage to create enough incentive to keep running old content? This is extremely important for me because I don't want to skip any content because I had no time to do it when it was fresh.

It must be kept in mind that some other people want to "catch up" to the current content cycle as fast as possible though, so it is a delicate balance. Forcing old content on these people will result in an outrage (what doesn't result in an outrage these days though..) but not giving meaningful rewards will make the content obsolete.

Vanity slot system is a good start to keep gear relevant regardless of ilevel, but I hope that they can think of something else too.

I hadn't thought of it before because it's not very important to me, but this could be one thing that would really save crafting. There's NO reason to have vanity items as dungeon drops, but LOTS of them to make them crafted only.

I think their reasoning behind not adding elemental weaknesses was to keep the job diversity around. Of course people are still trying to do things a certain way, but overall you can do just about any fight with any setup. As for the skill ups, those were just an utter waste of time, especially towards the games later years. Level evasion, by standing there and letting a mob whack away at you, exhilarating! I enjoyed FFXI a whole lot, but some of the things in the game were there as an annoyance more than anything. Elemental weaknesses didn't make the game harder they just made me say, well ***** this job as you will be useless! Bring on the army of blms! No matter what SE tried to do, people took the path of least resistance to get there.

Right now in XIV I feel as though SCH and WHM are both good, PLD and WAR, same thing. You could argue ranged is easier for some fights, but a good mnk or drg will probably out dmg a blm/brd in just about any fight. So again, both end up being welcomed.

My point though with leveling skills like weapon skills it gave people something to do, a goal, something to shoot for. What happened to weapon breaks or quested weapon skills... Wait I got to level 45 I get a new weapon skill...
Everything is just handed to you in this game. It was too easy to go from 0 to 50 on jobs and crafting and so many people are actually bored with not allot to do.. People dont always want to do fates or dungeons.. Sometime I only have a little time to get on.. This stuff is so easy to add and gives people something to do. It might be boring but it is added content.

When it comes to elemental weakness I think we are talking about two totally different things.

I mean this was a discussion between a few of us that played FFXI and it really feels like this game was made for kids and maybe why the reason there is so many rude people in it. Other than coil strategy plays very little into most things in this game. some of the bosses require some stratagy in the dungeons. It almost feels like a hack and slash in some of the battles. They are not very imaginative. I think it is the reason I like coil so much is it uses some strategy.



Too me it is funny how you used to not be able too say anything bad about this game without people jumping all over you. Read the threads now there are a lot of people who now see flaws in the game. I can tell thing are not as good because I have friends that log on a lot less now. Some only a few times a week, others get on later and get off earlier. I dont think SE was ready for how popular this game is and got caught with their pants down and are scrambling to catch up.. I think the infrastructure problems etc have them behind what they wanted to do.. Our server still has ques sometimes.




Edited, Jan 13th 2014 11:13am by Nashred

I'm not sure how requiring people to do busy work is the opposite of "dumbing down". Because that's all leveling up skills was: busy work. It's not like it took a lot of thinking and creativity to grind out hour after hour of an activity for a few skill points.

Elemental weakness:

Example.. As a BLM you need to know what the elemental weakness of what ever you were fighting.
Example: Something that was strong to fire you did not want to cast fire on.

In this game it does not matter...

Crafting used elemental weaknesses and strengths too. You crafted certain days based on the crystal you needed to use. Certain days would give higher yield, others better for skill up or hq etc.

Dieing allot has nothing to do with strategy. Titan hm you die allot but there is very little strategy other than have a good internet connect and dodge. Have enough dps alive to take down the heart and finish it off.. Wait that is the same as ifrit except nails. Matter of fact most things are either dodge or dps race or both. That is not strategy. I am not a big fan of the primal fights.

Coil is hard and requires strategy with out a doubt.

To me dumbed down means use very little strategy.







Edited, Jan 13th 2014 1:57pm by Nashred

Edited, Jan 13th 2014 2:01pm by Nashred

I guess we will disagree..

Weapon skill ups, and by proxy, skill rankings, were dumb. Even during the IT++ grind days, it wasn't uncommon to level up and still not have a skill capped. And this doesn't even tap into the terribly designed ones that took forever (Enhancing) or were so grossly conditional and arguably useless even when capped (Guard and Parry). Generally speaking, I believe XI would've been better off if a job's skill rating was simply an automatic application of stats based on their level instead of enforcing the grind on top. The end result would still depict differentiation, but the players could actually, you know, play instead of playing catch up.

As for elemental stuff, the reason for that is pretty clear and honestly quite sound. If you suddenly design a Fire mob that thusly invalidates ice and fire attacks, you basically remove options from a player's ******** Depending on how integral these abilities are, that job may no longer be used at that given encounter. Sucks, however, if said encounter has gear for that job you'd like. The old XI-ism here was to just force someone to level another job (they might not like) and hope for the best. Of course, for casters, this also has a habit of leading to ability bloat. Consider BLM's spell list in XI. Stone to Thunder progression aside, it wound up with 5 tiers of single target nukes, 3 of -aga, and then the -aja line. Short of Abyssea/Voidwatch procs, odds are you weren't seeing anything other than Blizz/Thunder spells because while there detriments to wrong-element applications like resists or even absorbs, benefits really didn't exist. I'd further propose that systems like this would be best left to single-player games where the player has full control over your tactics. In a similar representation of elemental woes, I also look to Diablo II and how immune mobs in Hell basically killed builds. Irony here being the try-hards claimed it promoted versatility. Indeed, totally why endgame was proliferated by teleporting hammerdins...

It had them, but there was no handy red line on the ground to give you an idea of the damage area. On trash mobs nobody cared. We had to care on HNMs.

There were some NMs we knew had frontal conal AOEs, for example, so we'd have our tank drag the NM to the wall and face it, and have the melee stay engaged directly behind. One fun guy in Abyssea-Altep combined it with an enmity reset, so we'd have two DD with provoke rotating him around constantly after that move. Good times.

What really irked me was WHM or RDM who didn't know the appropriate use of the bar spells...

Fighting gobbies? Keep Barfire up and Bomb damage dropped pretty well.

Fighting little bats? Keep Baraero up and that stupid ability that would one shot weak tanks was nerfed to hell.

Fighting Para-happy mobs? Barice

Etc, etc...

As RDM main I used the en-spells to farm eles. Other than that, it was use the highest level spell for attacking. Where the ele wheel really shined was enfeebles. By knowing the wheel, you could have 3 of the elemental enfeebs up, posion, and dia. Lots of ticks if you had the MP to burn.

Edited, Jan 13th 2014 1:54pm by LebargeX

Yeah, avoiding AoEs in XI was about being in the right spot and never moving from it, and never letting the mob turn the wrong way. That, and having someone stun certain TP moves.

If you were moving during an NM fight, it was probably because you were doing a kiting strategy and not because you were trying to "dodge" certain TP moves.