Wake me when it's 2.2Follow

I made the same point back in the thread where hitbox/hurtbox was explained with that spiffy diagram. I see what they were trying to do though. Shrinking hurtbox gives the impression of having more time because the part of your character that can be damaged is out of danger a little quicker. It's a good idea for a band-aid, but it doesn't fix the problem.

What I suggested was a compromise of sorts. Your hurtbox is increased in size so it's a slight nerf, but the visual cue is in sync and you get an extra split second(not really a buff) to move. If for nothing else, for the sanity of the players they should at least have the visual cue sync'd up. It's frustrating enough when you cause a wipe, but it's really ******* annoying when you saw yourself escape danger on your screen but the server disagrees

Naw, I think this is a working as intended feature. Spell and ability casting bars always fill up before the actual ability animations appear.

I didn't mean that to be disrespectful, I have a friend who plays on the PS3 and he is awesome at tanking, I just know I probably couldn't do it and have respect for those who can.

HOLLOW GROUND, I'm dead and the timer has now a cooldown of several minutes. I wish certain abilities were instant, like instant abilities as they have incredibly short durations.

Lag certainly does effect Titan HM, like when things rubber band so hard that you end up off the edge without even seeing the landslide. Other fights will forgive if this happens, Titan HM usually does not. The game actually copes fairly well with a bit of latency, what has undone me in Titan in the past has been massive rubber banding.

However, for DPS and Healers, it has a pretty steep learning curve. Once you've learnt the rotations though, it's actually fairly straightforward and a lot of fun. For tanks it's one of the easiest fights in the game, so much so it's almost ridiculous when compared to the stress of DPS and Heals.

I have 3 relics and have helped a few others complete theirs. I think the fact that this fight is still targetted as an issue by so many players is indicative of some form of problem.

I do think that 'lag' has become the standard excuse for people failing to move out of stuff but only because it is a genuine issue for some and most people recognise that. I'm going to be honest, even now I can never guarantee a Titan HM win. It's a hard fight. It's especially hard for healers and having done it first on my SCH I was relieved to get it out of the way after two weeks of practice.

I do think the fight is a big step up from Garuda and I think perhaps that's where some of the issues are but the design of the fight is such that it's very unforgiving. Maybe it should be, I don't know but it's caused a lot of misery along the way. I think particularly because it's not something you, as an individual can rectify on your own and because you are encouraged to jump into it far too soon. You actually need to do some work on getting cross class abilities and getting geared up before you walk into Titan. Still nothing you can do if you do have lag issues or you can't get a decent group.

It's getting easier to get people through now because more and more people are gearing up but I still think there's something off about it and SE's supposed iLvl for the fight. I've done this fight a couple of times with people who are beyond geared and the difference it makes is astounding. The faster the fight goes, the easier it is to deal with it. But at the point you are introduced to Titan and encouraged to try it, I think most of us weren't in anyway geared up enough.

All that being said, there's something wrong with this fight - I just think there are a variety of factors which contribute to making it a miserable experience for so many people.

Most of this in my oppinion seems to be caused by a really stressed and busy Duty Finder Server. On quiet days, runs go perfect. On days where rewards reset only recently, i get held up during running away quite badly. My computer is perfectly fine, i could run 1.0 without a hitch smoothly, this dumbed down graphic ease of 2.0 takes no effort at all. It's silly really.

Just because it doesnt happen during some people's playtimes doesnt make it not happen for others. I'm lucky in that even though i play on a NA server from the EU, i'm living pretty much on top of the atlantic connection, so i get 100 ms of latency at most. That's latency, that's not the Duty Server freaking out over having to send more packets than it can handle to more people it was designed to supply to. And that is what is happening.

You can have the BEST computer in the world, with the BEST connection ever, with the LOWEST amount of latency of any player in the game, and still get screwed by the Duty Finder's hickups and poor packet distribution rate.

Back when the hard cap was 5000, none of these issues came up. But the budget option wasnt to add more servers, it was to just let 3000-4000 more people on each and every server. They tried to counteract this by making the grouping smaller of servers it had to connect to per instance, but i very much doubt they used more servers for it. They just made it so that running duty A only meant coordinating people from 4 servers and not pulling the data from 12 servers at once.

Damn Fell, I am sorry to hear that. :(

I am no tech expert like Catwho... If lag is that consistent for a small group of players but not others, is there a chance that could be caused by SE servers, or is that a home ISP issue, or a combination of the two?

I generally have only about 10 mins a day when my home Internet gets slow and my game performance suffers, but I have been able to conclude that my home Internet is the problem there.

Felinus, we will beat Titan tonight or this weekend!

In the case of SoCal, it's probably the way that the local ISPs are routed through a particularly busy backbone.

I have very little lag where I am because I'm one hop away from Atlanta, which has a backbone that runs directly to Montreal, and the SE data center is one hop away from that. The issue is that the more big cities there are before you and your final destination, the more backbones you'll pass through. Someone out in SoCal has to hop up the coast a few times, then go through Phoenix or Salt Lake, then Minneapolis or Chicago, then New York, and only then do they get near Montreal. Depending on the ISP there might be more or fewer hops, but it boils down to lots of milliseconds adding up to half second delays each way.

This is also why satellite connections are the worst for video games, because their ping times are pretty horrible. But their packet bandwidth is huge so they're great for one way streaming. Cable internet sits in the middle for Quality of Service and bandwidth, and DSL tends to have the best QoS handling at the cost of smaller pipes, because phone lines themselves have to have good QoS or else you'll have scratchy sound.

This moves the discussion forward certainly. The unintended result will be for you take take damage when you are running INTO danger on purpose. Take for example running INTO plumes to avoid Ifrit charges. You know the damage will be dealt before your run on top of plumes, so you are timing it precisely to coincide with the explosion.

There is a lot of ground AoE, Titan bombs, and other mechanics where you are trading one danger for the next, and delaying damage will just make these frustrating from the other side.

(On a side note: I do not at all support changing PvE mechanics to help improve PvP. Just a personal opinion.)

My suggestion: We need the calculation for damage vs. position to happen client side. The server tells the client the timing of the explosion. The client decides if you got hit and reports to the server. The server registers what happened. Is that not a feasible solution?

Well Seattle sits right on the nap.net backbone plus a few others... For me in Milwaukee we go in through either Minneapolis or Chicago which is pretty far. Being on the backbone is not as important as it used to be though..

I think napnet was bought out though too..



Edited, Jan 9th 2014 10:47am by Nashred

I'll just put in my 2gil as well. I live in Canada, right near Toronto. I have a decent internet connection (yes - we have internet in Canada, no - I don't live in an igloo ) and I play on PS3 currently. I have been fortunate enough not to really experience lag for FFXIV but I attribute this mostly to my close proximity to the data centres and the fact that I pay a bit of a premium for higher quality internet service.

I can totally understand how lag would make it difficult in some of the more unforgiving fights.

Edited, Jan 9th 2014 1:13pm by Canadensis