Wake me when it's 2.2Follow

Lag exists, sure... on everything online!

It's not the huge problem in XIV though that a few people are making it out to be. Just know the fights.

Lag does exist...let's be honest though......

A lot of the reason some would say "lag doesn't exist" is because it's the go to excuse many people use when they fail. How is it in a party of 8, 1 person always seems to get hit by EVERYTHING while the other 7 are doing perfectly ok? DF is separated by regions, I can understand someone connecting to NA/EU from Siberia or something...but honestly..

I was told that Southern CA is lag capital for XIV currently, by people even in my same city...yet I don't have the lag they do. So yes, lag exists, latency issues exists..especially after a recent update for some ISPs (yes, ISPs), but a lot of times people are blaming lag for their fails. Not to say everyone is lying when they say they have lag..I've had lag spikes...

But c'mon, it's like believing someone in an AOL chatroom that they're a 12 year old girl/boy and definitely are not an FBI agent..could it be possible? Sure more power to you if you're into that, but is it true most of the time? Certainly not.

Hell, I sometimes experience lag while crafting. I'll click an action and..... three seconds later, the server answers.

Usually only happens in extremely crowded areas, but I've had it happen in the middle of the field, too.

There is no more lag in this game than there is in any other online game. That's the point. A few people in this thread act like the lag in FFXIV is especially bad; it's not.

Just learn the pattern, move ASAP, and ignore the animation... what matters are the progress bars as abilities are about to go off.

Like I said, the problem is people USUALLY blame lag when they aren't lagging. You see someone attempt to dodge but fail, they'll blame lag. You see someone not even attempt to dodge yet they're casting or attacking normally? They blame lag.

Lag grinds you to a halt, if you're still performing actions perfectly fine you are not lagging. The way lag works in this game is it will freeze you for a second or two, like complete freeze, which means you will not be able to perform actions that secondish you're frozen. No one is delusional, you just can't keep blaming lag when you can't clear content when everyone else is clearing is perfectly fine. If there's such a severe lag problem, there will be not one person free from lag issues If you have even one person with no lag issues, you can't say the game has crippling lag problems because it would affect every. single. subscriber. EVERY. single one to the point NO content would be getting cleared.

It's like blaming the RDM for not casting haste on you which caused your 36 man Einherjar to fail.

If you can move and cast a spell, you have a latency problem because the game interrupts you the second you move, it does for me anyhow. Like I said, I've had lag spikes before so I know it exists, but there's just far too many people who blame lag when they aren't lagging, a HUGE indicator is the direction they go flying if they get hit by Landslide "when they're out of it." Landslide will always knock you back, if you're lagging and got hit and dodged, chances are you'll get knocked "forward" rather than backwards. Not lagging and even if you dodge last second (which doesn't always work in ANY game with ground indicators), you'll still go flying backwards.



I don't. I will say this: Before I upgraded my PC I always got hit by AoE's I avoided, ever since then...no problems. This game, like 1.x, also has the possibility to produce graphical lag. With Titan specifically, the only "lag" I noticed is the hang time on bombs sometimes.



If it was "just some people" it would be much easier to believe that lag is the reason they still have yet to clear Titan. Lag doesn't make it so you suddenly forget your job, nor does it make you ignore "don't attack second gaol until after heart", you can't blame lag at that point, but said person will blame lag when they get hit by weight on heart phase, because they were too busy trying to break the 2nd gaol. In YOUR EXPERIENCE, you're the only one left alive in the 'hundreds of titans', in my experience, it's always 1 or 2 people that get hit by everything while the rest of the party is fine.

I always watch my party members closely, many of them don't move until pretty much the 70% mark on cast and wonder why they can't dodge it. Lag problems exist, but not to the point it makes content this impossible at times or it would affect everyone and none of the extreme primals would be killed as of yet nor Ultima nor moogle nor Turn 1-5 and certainly not Labyrinth of Ancients.

Maybe it's just me having SCH as main that I can see the whole party setup much more clearer...but honestly, lag ************** happens. But Chimera, Hydra and Titan are the most remotely challenging fights thrown at you early in your end-game, some just won't admit when it's their fail and rather go with the defacto: "gdi lag...lag!...Wtf I so avoided that! (Ignoring that you never moved)" and so on. Yes it's known this game has its issues, which is why people will use it as an excuse hoping everyone would believe it. I believe there's a problem, but I won't believe it every time it's that one particular (usually undergeared) person that eats everything like a buffet.

I'm the last person to doubt someone because working with PS for XI and the like, I know how ******* coded SE's MMOs can be, but you really have to draw the line when you'll agree everyone is just lagging or using it as an excuse.

Thayos, I don't mean this to insult you, but your viewpoint is extremely close-minded. Lag is a major issue in a lot of things in this game, especially for those players playing on PS3. Roughly half my FC plays on PS3, and just about every single one of them complains about the same lag issues. I've grouped with them, done Coil with them, and done many other events with them and they are good players who know how to dodge. But in a lot of cases, they get game crippling lag that doesn't allow them to be as effective as they could. This happens on Titan. It happens on everything in-game sometimes.

I'm not saying that lag is the only reason people die on Titan, as that's far, far from the truth. In truth, the majority of deaths are because people react too slow. But there absolutely are issues with lag in Titan. I've experienced them first hand, and have even watched them happen to others (where you can see them stuttering or moving super slowly/glitchy). I don't think anyone's trying to say that you don't need to be good at dodging and know the Titan fight backwards and forwards to be successful, but when we are talking about players who have run this 50+ times and know the fight inside and out still saying they experience lag spikes, and I've seen it happen, I don't think they're just trying to cover for ***** ups. It's actually lag, it does happen, and it is a problem.

I will also say that the only other game where I've experienced lag as much as XIV was swtor. I've actively played over a dozen mmo's and almost never had lag issues like in XIV, so please stop telling everyone that they just need to learn to play when in some cases, it's really something they can't control. Not all cases mind you, but definitely some.

Edited, Jan 8th 2014 8:47am by BartelX

Oh Thayos, for real, there is a significant amount of latency for some folks in Titan battles. That is fact.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFfu0i89gpI

Go there. Watch that video. In the first 11 seconds of the video you can see what happens to me, all the time. The guy hesitated on direction for a fraction of a tick, ran to the right, was clearly out of the plume, and still got hit and died. And he was a bard. If I am not in a full run or at least moving in that direction when weight of the land starts, I get tagged. Doesnt matter if I am out of the plume. I just cut a 90 degree angle out of the plume and it tends to avoid me even when I am late moving, but moving straight like that guy in the video did, you will get hit everytime.

I beat Titan HM every time I run it. I do not die on that battle. And I have latency out the ***. Why am I able to win every time? My black mage has 4500 HP with food and I can take two plumes to the head and live, plus I crit him for 1500. Also I have memorized the rotation. It was much harder with ilvl 70 gear. But if you get a really good single healer and tank, and grab 5 other dps with ilvl 90 gear and you can bring an eighth person who can literally jump off the cliff at the beginning, you will still win (provided all the dps are keen on the movements).

Titan EX is not to that point, yet. The DPS can not afford to lose a member at any point due to the enrage timer. The penta landslides are tough, especially when combined with the new bombs with added blast radius and strength. The plumes are still the same as before, but he throws them more often and from the beginning, plus at the end he back to backs plumes, which can be a nightmare on a whm healer.

So whereas on Titan HM, you could focus on dodging first and DPS second, Titan EX is a DPS check as well, so you need to be on your toes. It makes the battle incredibly hard for black mages, who now have to wait that full second in between Blizzard III and Fire III (forget casting Thunder II, I don't have time) or our mana won't regenerate. On Titan EX, that second takes FOREVER. Our dragoon (maybe it is the rotation or the nature of the job) totally outclasses me there (almost 1.5 / 1), while we are more even in DPS on Caduceus, and I'm probably a little better on ADS (I dont have that meele aoe to deal with). For a black mage, we really need to have to move less to deal effective damage. So I've been working on that. Yesterday I made it past the ring pattern bomb rotation during the heart phase, and then post heart killed an add and made it past the x & + bomb phase with landslide that kills anyone who isnt really familiar with the videos or has done it over and over. Eventually I will get the win, just not now.

It really is all about anticipation, but with latency eliminated, I would have a much easier time. Count yourself lucky you do not experience it (I assume you have a good connection and are getting routed out to a low populated duty server) but as evidenced by that video (which is about as real as it gets for most of us) the latency does exist.


Edited, Jan 8th 2014 9:11am by Valkayree

A couple factors that may be at play...

1. My computer meets the basic specs for ffxiv, and having a decent machine evidently helps.

2. I don't play on ps3 (at least not when I'm doing anything other than gathering or lowbrow dungeons).

Also, not trying to insult people who can't beat Titan. It is a hard fight! And you need to be fortunate enough to find seven other people who know what they are doing. I have lost this fight way more than I've won. Losing this fight doesn't make you a bad player... It's a hard fight. This is how it should be.

That said, unless for some reason you are cursed with huge lag spikes (which, in all of my Titan fights, has rarely, if ever, happened), then the normal "lag" isn't a problem that should keep you from winning. You just have to really know the fight. There is a pattern for everything. Call things out with Macros or team speak. Write out the move rotation on notecards (which is what I did when getting my first win). Lag simply does not make this an in winnable fight. It's very winnable on a very consistent basis. You just have to be on your toes and ready to move.

And losing doesn't make you a bad player. This isn't Copperbell Mines... This is Titan, one of the toughest fights in the game.

And yeah, that video actually shows that lag isn't the problem... The problem is people are watching the animations rather than the progress bars. The game is designed for the animation to go off after the bar fills, which causes the appearance of lag, but it's really not... It's just a design decision by SE. If they adjusted animations to go off a split second earlier, then people probably wouldn't complain so much.

Edited, Jan 8th 2014 7:44am by Thayos

It doesn't work with plumes.. You can know the fight all you want. You do not know where they will appear, you need to see the animation to know where to run too...You start to move you can run right into another one or worse a double plume. That is why so many have issues with he plumes and not landslide.

Yes with landsides it works because it hits where you were not where you were going and it seems as long as you move you should not get hit.. With plumes you can run into someone elses.







Edited, Jan 8th 2014 10:53am by Nashred

I know this is the accepted strategy especially for Titan EX but this actually usually gets me killed more often, because 1) even when people try to get close together they typically don't stay close enough, and just end up creating a "bigger" plume that I have an even harder time running out of (and because these plumes are stacked, it usually will result in 2+ hits and my death if I'm hit), and 2) because WotL readies so quickly, if I'm not already moving to begin with when WotL begins, I usually end up getting hit regardless if a plume spawns on me. Kinda hard to be standing still at a specific spot to stack the plumes and be moving at the same time :<

Additionally, I don't know if it's just me or what, but multiple plumes stacked on each other tends to cause some brief system lag on my ps3 when they first appear, more so than they would if they were separate, and some frame skipping tends to ensue, which doesn't help the dodging either.

As some one who plays on both PC and the PS3 I don't know how anyone does the titan fight on the PS, It's probably just cause I'm more used to playing on a PC, and I have a pretty high end PC I built about 3 months ago, but there is some goofy lag type **** that goes on when I'm playing on my PS, its not like its game breaking, but I just don't think I could deal with it during something like titan.

I do have FFXIV running on SSD in my PC, which could further explain why I never struggle with lag.

Makes loading screens so much faster, too.

That's because people are stupid. Your melee are getting hit? Put them on the one that doesn't use Wicked Wheel! Problem solved. It's almost like *gasp* the fight was designed for covering a half and half group if need be.



"I don't experience it, therefore it doesn't exist. Stop being bad."

Condescending, much?



I know for our Dragoon, in Southern CA, he's had lag ever since release. There's something about how the packets are routed that he simply can't avoid (and *has* changed his provider with no resolution). His last hop is usually consistently 500-700 ms before hitting the data center.