Haukke Manor HM boss questionFollow

I'll agree, though more in the context that XI rarely, if ever, gave clues to a mob's tricks. Players might've figured them out based on HP% like Odin or Ultima, but even the reactive stuff is typically silent. This also gave rise to the importance of things like the Distance plugin with Windower as a pseudo-AoE indicator. AV was just a **** as it involved doing **** with the mob before, daily crap, and THEN 2 hour use in a very short, almost bot-required window after it used it already. Then it could still nuke like a truck with meteor.

It really is no surprise people just decided to zerg instead and hope for the best.

This mechanic is easy if you know it.

Label the two Maidservants #1 and #2.

DPS #1 until 5% health. Then switch.

She will always, always suck in the one with the lowest health first.

Giving you tons and tons of time to DPS #2 all the way to nothing. You will take almost no damage and have plenty of time.

Using this method, and saving LB for the final Add, will win it every time.

Did this last night in the DR. Got up to the second boss with out a wipe, before the tank pulls the SMN mentions that he always dies in this fight. Sure enough, boss drops his first ground attack and the SMN runs though all of them dying instantly lol. We wipe, so I give the guy a few pointers about where to stand to help dodge, second attempt went a little better, SMN still died twice, I died once, but we got the boss down to around 5%.

Soon as we wipe the tank leaves, the SMN says something about the boss being to hard and drops, followed by the healer. Pick up 3 new people in about 20 secs, clear the rest of the instance in about 10 mins.

I know some things in this game are hard due to latency issues, such as Titan, but some people are just too impatient or to lazy to work to learn something. We had pretty good dps and to just drop group like that after waiting in the DF and then clearing half the dungeon just to take a 30 min wait timer and lose out on any myth tomes is just retarded.

Anywho, I was just kind of shocked when they all just dropped group like that. I really like this dungeon a lot, I really think it might be the better of the new ones they released.

XI had a lot more skills and spells to play with, and a lot harsher cooldowns on the majority of them.

No handy red AOE outlines, though.

Yea and as a whm I usually could pick a place and sit most of the fight in FFXI... I cant cure and run, it is impossible in both games. Dps's knew enough if they needed a cure stay close to the whm..

I did ct last night 3 times and it amazes me how many dps run out of range and die.. Parties need to stick together because most healers will use aoe heals allot in CT. If you dont get one it is your fault. If I start having to run all over there is a higher chance I am going to die or someone else in the party is going to die if I have to run to heal this lone dps. Sometime you have to sit like when I need to stay near the pot to heal it on one level..

Yea in this game it is either heal or ensuna but I feel it is more challenging because I have to be running all the time... I can not concentrate on just what I have to do like in FFXI. you have to watch every ones health and dbuffs which are much harder to see in this game. But you have to constantly move and watch the ground. Yea I dont need to use poisona, or stona just ensuna for the most part but all the moving and watching the ground make it harder. Yea occasionally in FFXI you would have to run out of aoe range but nothing like this. It really make healing a challenge.







Edited, Jan 7th 2014 11:28am by Nashred

Edited, Jan 7th 2014 11:37am by Nashred

As a note, it's definitely not when the flambeau gets to the boss, because every time I've gone in there, we tank the boss at the end of the path, right next to the boss room seal. You can view that method as a slight variation which you may (or may not) want to entertain, the next time you're in there.

Basically, make your way to the end as early as possible, clumping and blowing up as much of the green goo as you and the healer can handle. (The more geared everyone is, the more you can take at once.) Once you're at the end, you have more time to deal with the flambeaus because you'll be where they spawn and can just focus on the boss.

That might be part of the confusion. The ground spawn AoE is independent of the boss's location. It doesn't matter where the boss is -- the flames will start from one end and make its way over to the other.

The goops snare you I think, but I don't remember for certain. I know they can do a decent amount of damage though, so it's definitely not healthy to ignore them.

Yeah, so you have to kill the Flambeau before it gets to the ground spawn. The problem was, neither of the DPS was even recognizing that there was a Flambeau to kill, lol.

If you haven't Wint, I'd start running Ifrit and Garuda for a chance at the weapons there. Done right, you can easily heal them with a level 55 weapon (i.e. Grand Company), and getting an ilvl 60 or 70 weapon really goes a long way towards mana efficiency as a healer. Not to mention you can throw on Cleric Stance for some extra damage as time permits.

As for Haukke HM itself, I've found it's less about a DPS check and more about a check on DPS idiocy. This isn't to say that DPS who can't do this are idiots, only that it punishes DPS who don't play smartly. You want to save your damage cooldowns for when adds are up, specifically Amandine, because the quicker you get them down the better. You want to make sure that any DoT's you have are refreshed on Halicarnassus before the adds spawn to ensure you're getting max damage uptime. You also want to blow any stuns you have on her to stop damage/aoe before her first sacrifice, because then she becomes immune to stuns, so you may as well use it while you've got it.

If necessary, you can have the tank work on the adds as well, since it's likely Hali will be glued to them as it is. The tank should also be saving DPS cooldowns (FoF, Unchained, Berserk) for adds as well, especially Amandine.

A word of caution in the opposite direction: if you DPS both maidservants down to 0%, she will bug and kill you with blood rain as if she had ignored absorbing the 2nd add. I take it it's a problem with the AI since she is set to absorb the lower HP one like Gnu stated but both being at 0%, it confuses it.

Certainly not for Haukke Manor, you can steamroll it way faster than AK once people know what they're doing. I got in in DF the other night and was almost stunned by how fast we completed it in a group with a couple of people who were new. Really the only advice I gave them was "follow me, kill adds ASAP, dodge AOE".

I've only run Copperbell once and that was a pretty comfortable clear, after a bit of guidance on the bosses. I haven't run PS at all, but I can't imagine its difficulty varies greatly from Haukke. It's just a matter of mechanics being unfamiliar. The boss fight in PS sounds like it catches a few people out, and that's not a bad thing.

P.S. Now I have the Haukke manor tune stuck in my head.

Edited, Jan 8th 2014 7:19am by blowfin