Gil and 2.1Follow

As much as the economy is crashing, people are pretty ******* stupid when it comes to undercutting, I know this has been said before, but JFC, seeing people undercutting by 100's of gill is just stupid. It doesn't help too when some people just throw items up for the suggested price, which is usually like 5 gill.



I thought about this also, but I have a strong suspicion I would just end up getting burned by more people just undercutting and I don't really have a lot of gill to just throw around

The issue of supply is still a huge thing, as more people turned to crafting and gathering to try to build up some cash. And once something seems to have a low supply and three or four crafters spot it, suddenly there are 20 HQs on the MB for that item.

Like a Linen Sarueals or whatever they are called. I checked the board, there were 2 NQs up and no HQs. They seem to sell 3-4 a day. So I cranked out 3 HQs and stuck them on the board at the last HQ sale price.

When I checked later, there were now a dozen HQs listed, all for a price lower than mine.

I used to do stuff like that in WoW. Another thing I do, and maybe someone said this already, is instead of putting ore (or whatever) up in stacks of 99, I'll put them up in stacks of 10 or 20 at a fair price, not even undercutting the people who have 99 up.

I figure a lot of people would rather buy the amount they need even if its a few gill more then deal with buying 99 of something and then having to deal with re-selling whatever they don't use. Seems to work most of the time.

Right, but I guess I'm more talking about posting things that are selling around 500-600 gill, and then logging in to see someone undercut and posted the same item for like 150 gill. Its like they either don't even check, or don't even care. I always assume its someone who is just trying to make fast cash, but its kind of stupid to think that yeah it may sell today for 150g, but if you posted it for 500 it might sell tomorrow and you would have made more then double your money. Now when you get into the 10000g, yeah undercutting by 100g isn't such a big deal.

I've just taken to buying **** up when people undercut by that much, and if the price drops, I just wait till it goes back up, cause honestly I'm just not in that big of a hurry. My brother used to say, "The word quick should never be used in reference to any MMORPG" its all about patience and the long game.

It depends on the scenario, but it's not always a bad idea to undercut substantially. Price fluctuates with supply. When the supply dwindles, the higher priced items start to sell. So something that normally sells for 500 gil might, for a time, be selling at 1000 gil if the supply starts drying up and those asking for a higher price start selling off their wares (maybe an unusual number of crafters wanted that item at the same time, or a scheduled maintenance temporarily disrupted the supply).

But. if it's reasonable to assume that the supply will return, the forces of undercutting will inevitably bring the price down its stable 500 gil price. Now, if you happen to have a haul of said item you want to put up for sale, you could shoot for 990 gil, but chances are you'll be undercut immediately yourself, and you'll risk having to settle for 500 gil once the price stabilizes. So if you price it at a more aggressive undercut at say 600 gil right away, you're more likely to get your price since other sellers are less likely to undercut you and hope for something closer to that juicy 1000 gil range while they shake their first at you in anger. But at least you'll walk away with a higher than normal price before the supply goes back to normal.

I'm not saying there's an exact science to it (if there were, I'd be a billionaire by now), but you have to be able to anticipate the trend in supply and demand. Fortunately, the supply side is usually easy to figure out.

I'm getting the sense that a lot of people expected FC housing to not really just be a big prestige item and that gil ought to have been handed out in larger amounts.

I think the average amount people were planned to be able to make a day was supposed to be 10-20k after repairs and all that jazz. So if you had 12 people saving an average 15k a day for 72 days, then you'd have enough for a medium house on a cheaper server. That really doesn't seem atrocious to me since that's like the low end of what you can make. The people really bummed out make it sound like they though this should be priced so that only one person would have to pay for the house.

Here's one that boggles my mind. People selling stuff on the MB for 1 gil. If all you want is 1 lousy gil for something, why the hell don't you just NPC it?

As to making money, my new favorite tactic is to pick an item very few HQs, buy up all the HQ stock and jack the price. If someone comes along and tries to undercut me, I return the favor. If the price gets too low, I just buy up the stock again and repeat. There's a bit of risk involved, but it gets gil moving without adding more goods to an already flooded market.

Edited, Jan 8th 2014 7:02pm by Turin

How small do you think Free Companies should be? I'm saying 12 people in an FC saving 15k a day, not that there's only 12 people in the FC. There are free companies that may have 50 people in them, and that would just mean 12 of those people saving 15k a day.

If you were going at small house, it'd take about 22 days for 12 people making 15k a day. Which is probably why there are so many more small houses than there are medium or large, because those small houses are really easy to get for small free companies.


And actually I went ahead and checked and I was actually a bit off with those numbers about 72 days. If you waited 3 months for the house prices to go to their minimum then a medium house would cost 7,629,000 gil, so with 12 people in an FC saving 15k a day it'd take 42 days not 72. And this is for a medium house which seems meant for a larger free company rather than just a guy and a couple of his buds, which seems like what the small houses may be meant for.

This doesn't seem like an impenetrable barrier so much as just a hurdle to getting a prestige item. You make it sound like this is some horribly grueling experience doing something like duty roulette once a day.

A lot of people in my FC let their accounts lapse. I should have realized that joining up with an MMO hopping group was a bad idea, but a lot of them are my real life friends.

Kind of bites. We've all decided not to contribute any cash in until we're more certain about the future of the group.

Not really impressed with housing. It doesn't deserve my time farming gil. It doesn't even deserve the time it takes to consider whether or not I should take the time to consider it.

Well.....since it's so easy for you to make gil, maybe you should share the wealth... trickle down and all lol

I mean if gil is easy to come by and useless, and you have your house, why not just give it all away?

He put a post on the official forums basically explaining his logic and stating it wasn't going to change any time soon. He went on to say that the prices were to prevent a land rush because the didn't have capacity for everyone to get in on it. He did say that things may change sometime in the future maybe.... so yeah.... pretty much: Housing wasn't ready, but we promised, so suck it up and maybe after spending 3 months grinding gil you can get a broom closet worthy of Harry Plopper... lol