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#52 Dec 27 2013 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
HonkeyKong29 wrote:
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You're right but let me explain my FCs thinking. We have four guys... and we love the beach front mist plots. There are 3 smalls available in each ward.... 5 wards ... so 15 plots availible that we want. Next... one of the plots is right next to an aetherite ... so five "perfect" plots. Since we have the money for it... we'd rather sacrifice a little gil to have our "perfect" spot.



Very legit and reasonable answer.

I would venture a guess that with 2.2 they add more servers for houses, specially if they are adding individual player housing then. With the lowered prices and increased functionality, they would be hard pressed to not increase the number of servers for housing.

Just food for thought/speculation.


Our only fear is that these 15 plots go ... and then we have to wait until every other plot is purchased on a ward before they create a new one.... during one of their videos about the patch they indicated that the ward had to be filled. If this wasn't the case.... we obvisouly wouldnt be in such a rush. I'm so sick of FATE grinding lol

Edited, Dec 27th 2013 11:44am by HonkeyKong29


This is kind of my FC's thinking as well. Everyone knows that housing is useless atm from a functional standpoint. However, it will be useful in the future and people want to lock their plots down right meow. I for one will be super pissed if all the M plots sell before we have the gil for ours and have to wait until people buy up all the L and S spaces.
#53 Dec 27 2013 at 11:46 AM Rating: Excellent
I read the housing has multiple instances.

What does that even mean? When one neighbor hood fills up a new one opens? Or do they mean the instances within the houses?

IMO, houses should be like the TARDIS. Bigger on the indside.
#54 Dec 27 2013 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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I read the housing has multiple instances.

What does that even mean? When one neighbor hood fills up a new one opens? Or do they mean the instances within the houses?

IMO, houses should be like the TARDIS. Bigger on the indside.


Right now, there are 5 wards in each housing district, each one a seperate instanced zone. Houses also seem to be semi-instanced, similar to the Waking Sands. When a ward fills up, a new one will be created. What they haven't specified is what they mean by "fill up." Does that mean every plot has to be bought? All plots of a certain type? Once the ward is a certain % full? This is why people are rushing to get the ones they want at inflated prices.
#55 Dec 27 2013 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
If there are 5 wards, that would seem to make the the purchase for less pressing.

Do you pick which one you enter at the zoneline?

EDIT: Aha! That's how you got to 15 of the plots you wanted. 3 houses at 5 wards, just like you said. So there is still some urgency if you really want one of the 15 available.



Edited, Dec 27th 2013 1:11pm by Gnu
#56 Dec 27 2013 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
Once you've purchased the house, is that it? No maintenance fee afterwards? I know in LotRO they kept a small weekly (or monthly, don't remember) fee attached to the house. If it wasn't kept up, you lost your house and someone else could buy it. It's all they really need to do to keep things available for everyone over a long period of time.

These discussions are quite entertaining I have to say. Interesting seeing the different levels of interest for certain aspects of the game. I myself could give two ***** about housing and think it's wasted space. Others though are doing all they can do afford a certain piece of land, it's kind of cool.
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#57 Dec 27 2013 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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People did save gil. Some people saved quite a lot. I did. You can wave your swinging bank accout all you want.

The TRUTH is that Yoshi at worst flat out lied and at best GROSSLY misled everyone about how much housing would cost.

I counted last night and I have ~275k in gold bags on my retainer. That's every bag minus maybe 3k. So, yeah. I saved damn near EVERY gold bag the game gave me so far. There are more I could do, sure. But you can't make math work in a way it doesn't. Even if the game gave you a million gil for getting through every quest, that doesn't remotely come close to what he said we should be thinking the costs were.

So quit blaming players for someone else's dishonesty.

#60 Dec 27 2013 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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HonkeyKong29 wrote:
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People did save gil. Some people saved quite a lot. I did. You can wave your swinging bank accout all you want.

The TRUTH is that Yoshi at worst flat out lied and at best GROSSLY misled everyone about how much housing would cost.

I counted last night and I have ~275k in gold bags on my retainer. That's every bag minus maybe 3k. So, yeah. I saved damn near EVERY gold bag the game gave me so far. There are more I could do, sure. But you can't make math work in a way it doesn't. Even if the game gave you a million gil for getting through every quest, that doesn't remotely come close to what he said we should be thinking the costs were.

So quit blaming players for someone else's dishonesty.



If you're on a legacy server you have a right to be pissed. But if you're non-legacy and have a FC with 10+ members and still can't afford a small plot.... that's **** poor. 800k a man is easy. Considering i could make that money (275) a month ago by selling 8 tome items is excatly what I'm talking about. People who waited until now to earn ....don't feel sorry for ya. But like I said before... a pesiteskin map a day.... keeps housing in play. Gather one... either sell it or use it... and repeat once a day with each FC member and .... you'll earn money pretty quickly. Plus maps take a max 5 minutes to gather and maybe five minutes to get the actual treasure so it's good way for the casual player to earn as well. But again... the legacy prices are RIDICULOOUS.... and they're lowering those prices so hopefully that helps.


None of which changes the fact that we were lied to, which I still have a pretty good reason to be pissed about. Have you been in a small house? Do you think you could fit 10 people in it?

And last week, I sold a Peisteskin map for 30k on Ultros. They're 20k on your server today. What do you think they'll be next week?
#62 Jan 02 2014 at 11:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you're on a legacy server you have a right to be pissed. But if you're non-legacy and have a FC with 10+ members and still can't afford a small plot.... that's **** poor. 800k a man is easy. Considering i could make that money (275) a month ago by selling 8 tome items is excatly what I'm talking about. People who waited until now to earn ....don't feel sorry for ya. But like I said before... a pesiteskin map a day.... keeps housing in play. Gather one... either sell it or use it... and repeat once a day with each FC member and .... you'll earn money pretty quickly. Plus maps take a max 5 minutes to gather and maybe five minutes to get the actual treasure so it's good way for the casual player to earn as well. But again... the legacy prices are RIDICULOOUS.... and they're lowering those prices so hopefully that helps.


Not everyone was at endgame when tomes sold for 100k a pop or whatever outrageous amount they were. I certainly wasn't. I was enjoying the game as a casual player having fun crafting, gathering etc. Casual players are what this game was supposedly about... yet asking 8m for a small plot is anything but casual. Kudos to you and your friends for making a lot of money and buying a small plot. You don't represent the average player. My FC has 50+ active players, and from talking with many of them, the vast majority have between 20k-200k TOTAL. They play the game to have fun, to get better gear, and advance their characters. Not to hoard gil for FC Housing. I get the fact that you don't really give a crap if others can't afford stuff that you can, but at least understand some perspective.

Oh, and just fyi, it doesn't always take 5 minutes to get a peisteskin map. This morning I spent almost 50 minutes of straight mining before I got one. It's not always that long, but it's certainly not "max 5 minutes".

Edited, Jan 2nd 2014 12:01pm by BartelX
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#63 Jan 02 2014 at 3:00 PM Rating: Good
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6 leves and 4 df dungeons a day with a set of i49 jewlery


That's like 3.5 hours of playtime per day... that's not casual.


And that is if you get in right away... doing all 4 and it take 15 min just to get in each thats a hour right there.
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#64 Jan 02 2014 at 3:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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HonkeyKong29 wrote:
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If you can only play for 1 hour a day, why in the world are you worried about housing to begin with?

Other than the really, really high price, is there any reason a 1-hour-a-day player should be excluded from being involved with a FC that has housing? Or for a FC full of 1-hour-a-day people to be excluded from housing?


so it should be free? Maybe they should've made the lower tier plots a lot cheaper (say 3 mil (baseded on a small plot), while the prime land went for (8 mil). That way you reward the people have worked hard to earn, but made the lesser plots within reach of the more casual gamers. Either way... You have to earn housing, like you have to earn equipment and other rewards in this game....it's got to cost something.


No one ever said they wanted it for free. Why do so many people not understand the concept of a middle ground? No one wants to be given anything, many just think the pricing currently is outrageous, which it is. We just want to be able to enjoy the content that SE put in the game, and not have to grind for months on end to obtain it. I'm fully willing to pay for it, and pay what is a reasonable amount. On my server, there are a grand total of THREE houses right now, all small plots. How do these prices make sense when less than 1% of the population can/is willing to afford them? I have a feeling that even come three months from now, there aren't going to be many houses being bought up unless there's an actual reason to get housing by then aside from a social/epeen reasoning... and that is sad.



Then please explain to me how a FC of four people that started at launch and have full time ridiculous jobs and families have managed to save 9 million gil?????? People simply didnt make/save money. You knew housing was going to cost money and you just focused on raiding..... which is fine...... 8 million is cheap.... for players not to have 1 million gil at this point is ridiculous. Tome items were at 35k for over a month, but people instead chose to buy freaking DL gear for their ALT.... i sold tome items and just geared my main...... the market is diving because people didn't save money and now they all want the same thing... they blew it on gear every three levels, materia, etc. "You reap what you sow" .... As soon as my FC Fate grinds the rest of the way to rank 6 this weekend we'll have a beachfront plot in the mist. So feel free to hop on the marlboro server and check it out.

Edited, Dec 27th 2013 10:31am by HonkeyKong29


You have no idea what you are talking about and I find you highly offensive. I have been playing my *** off in this game and I never even had 200,000 yet... I spend very little and all my gear is from raids right now and most of it came that way..

Not everyone rushed through the game... I have no alt characters that I spent tomes on. Why do you act like you are better than everyone else and everyone should be just like you..

Sometimes with your comments I wonder if actually play the game or your here just to be little people.

I didnt play this game to make money. i certainly dont play the game to buy gil or run bots.





Edited, Jan 2nd 2014 4:20pm by Nashred
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#65 Jan 02 2014 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
Housing prices aren't even really the problem anymore.

The problem now is that I don't think SE can drop housing prices fast enough to keep up with market deflation.

This is a game... buying a house in a game shouldn't draw any parallels to the difficulty of buying a home in real life.
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#66 Jan 02 2014 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
Yeah, the only people who had money were either banned for RMT activities or spent it all on a house already. No one wants to spend anything on big ticket items any more - either they already have it, or they're saving their money for other things.

What's left is people at the bottom scrambling to sell HQ ingredients and lowbie gear to each other.
#69 Jan 02 2014 at 4:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yup no clue... .none at all. Yet my FC bought a house and I probably play half of the time you do. It comes down to "Did you plan for housing to be expensive" or " Did you want to spend gil on other things" ..If you chose the second option.... that's fine, but quit the butthurt posts about housing being expensive and actually go earn a few k to help your FC. Make lvl3/lvl4 materia, craft some HQ leve items... etc. And if you didn't make any alts ...WTF did you do with your phil tombs after your main was DL'd out? It is EASY to make gil in this game if you really want to .... and that's what you gotta ask yourself. Does my FC want housing? If they do.... then theres plenty of opportunity to make gil. If you don't then just keep playing the way you were. What's so hard to comprehend?


Nothing about what you said is hard to comprehend. What is hard to comprehend is why you have to say it in such an arrogant, douchebaggy way. A lot of people are upset at the cost of housing and rightfully so. I'm glad that you and your buddies got your house and it works for you. But stop trying to demean everyone else who has a harder time making money, or doesn't want to spend all of their time in-game trying to make said money.

Also, I'll bold this since you just don't seem to comprehend it yourself. Not everyone was at endgame when tome or materia prices were high. In fact, very few people in my FC were there. Because we're a casual FC. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be able to enjoy housing... and we're still only a quarter of the way to our goal for housing with everyone contributing as much as they can. So no, making money isn't this faceroll easysauce practice you seem to think it is. Or at least it isn't for most people. So just cut the elitist crap and act like a human being.
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#70 Jan 02 2014 at 5:19 PM Rating: Default
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Granted, this guy is being an *** about it, but I don't know how you can't have made 200k in this game yet. Just doing the quests and story missions leveling your first job to 50 will get you that. Hell, even with the economy in the state that it's in, if you have any crafts at all you can pull 100k a week without trying very hard, a lot more than that if you are. I have no interest at all in housing in it's current state, but if I wanted to, I could put the money together for a small plot in a couple of months. To say that it's completely unaffordable is silly.
#71 Jan 02 2014 at 5:24 PM Rating: Excellent
My problem is that I spend that money as soon as I make it. Sure, I could make money, but if that's all I did I wouldn't be able to enjoy the other aspects of the game or level up any more classes.

So while I've probably churned out half a million gil altogether now, I logged out last night with about 4,000 gil on hand and another 20K in random crap for sale on my retainer. And as soon as I get that 20K, I'm going to spend it as well.
#73 Jan 02 2014 at 5:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lol materia prices are still high enough to make plenty of gil.... people just ignore it and instead write 6711 posts complaining about why they shouldn't have to. Its ridiculous and ill respond any way i want to when someone says i have no clue.


That's fine. Just don't expect many people to value what you say here if that's your attitude. And yeah, I know... it's only a forum, who cares what anyone thinks.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2014 7:18pm by BartelX
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#74 Jan 03 2014 at 2:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lol materia prices are still high enough to make plenty of gil.... people just ignore it and instead write 6711 posts complaining about why they shouldn't have to. Its ridiculous and ill respond any way i want to when someone says i have no clue.


Materia prices are still high enough to make gil, sure. The problem (as I stated above) is materia prices have fallen much farther than housing prices have decreased, and it's not even close. A casual FC that just recently started saving has a much harder road than a FC that did nothing but save starting from Day 1.

The markets for most other goods are plummeting, too. I put an item up for sale for 140k yesterday (lower end of its price range). I checked it tonight, because it hadn't sold... and prices have already dropped down to $115k for that item... I put mine back up for $110k.

Anyway, that's just deflation after one day... wouldn't surprise me to see that item selling for 50k or less by next weekend. It's even worse for materia. Housing prices haven't been adjusted nearly enough.
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#75 Jan 03 2014 at 7:48 AM Rating: Excellent
I finally had a huge chunk of tier II and III materia sell yesterday. Guess it was a slow day for other sellers. Broke 100K gil for the first time in the game.

Then promptly spent half of it upgrading gear for my 46 WHM. Smiley: laugh
#76 Jan 03 2014 at 8:15 AM Rating: Default
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BartelX wrote:
HonkeyKong29 wrote:
Lol materia prices are still high enough to make plenty of gil.... people just ignore it and instead write 6711 posts complaining about why they shouldn't have to. Its ridiculous and ill respond any way i want to when someone says i have no clue.


That's fine. Just don't expect many people to value what you say here if that's your attitude. And yeah, I know... it's only a forum, who cares what anyone thinks.

Edited, Jan 2nd 2014 7:18pm by BartelX



Its funny you talk of the value of other peoples posts when the same could go for you... bullying a bully doesnt make you better than them, it just makes you another bully.

Thats the thing about trolls though, they only work because you let them. Just like his comments only come off as rude because their is a lot of truth to them.

Its really hard to argue with anything he said other than that he didnt sprinkle it with rainbows and glitter to make people feel better about the cold hard truth.
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