How much time do you guys give to ffxiv?Follow

I mean the servers went down because 2.0 is coming out, but still. How much time do you guys think ffxiv will survive? and even with 2.0 will it survive? worth coming back?

What does it matter?

I've seen this time and time again; people asking other people if they should keep playing or if the game is 'dying'.

What does it matter who else is playing? What should it matter to you if I, the poster above me, or the man in the moon, plays this game? It's as if you, and every other person who has ever asked the same questions, is obsessed about playing the 'cool' game. It's as if you are obsessed about not being part of the 'in crowd'. You are too scared to quit the game on the off chance that the 'cool kids' are playing this game. On the other hand, if the 'in crowd' isn't playing this game, you're frantically trying to find the game they are playing so you can play it, too!

Here's a question instead: Who cares what other people think?

If you like this game, play it!

If you don't, don't!

It's just that simple! Why is that such a hard concept to get through everyone's heads? Grow a pair and make your own decisions. Watch the official press releases, play the game when it comes out, and make your own choice, even if it's not the 'popular' choice.

For example, the 'popular choice' for WoW, was that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I didn't agree. But my reasons and opinions were my own. I wasn't a fan of the art style and I didn't care for the shallow game play. The 'popular choice' for FFXI, in comparison to WoW, was that it was boring, slow and too difficult. But I still had fun playing it. I made my own choice to play the game that I enjoyed the most, despite what other people were saying.

Is it worth coming back for 2.0? How the hell should I know? For some people, no, for others, yes. Isn't that a question for yourself and not the forums?

How was their post "rather dumb"? The OP asked a hypothetical question which no one here can know the answer too. Cryxx responded by asking "what does it matter what anyone else thinks?". They bring up a good point in that it doesn't matter what everyone else thinks as long as you are having a good time and isn't that what matters? If I pay $60 for a game, I would rather be enjoying myself than worrying what reviewers say. Maybe if you're 10 years old you might care what the 'cool kids' are doing but I'm willing to wager that the majority of FFXIV hopefuls are at least 18 years old and could care less about what everyone else is doing.

Actually, they said that the success of the PS3 version would be the true pass/fail test.


Best advice in this post.

Sigh... I feel like most valid arguments I make on these forums are overlooked... I said that he asks a valid question that can only rely on the public's responses. He is asking if it is worth coming back to. Maybe he only played in beta? He has no idea what the game is like now or what might happen in 2.0? Therefore he could not very well TRY the game because he would have to buy it and sub, but I am sure he would rather know how it is from people's points of view before donating money and time... Do you understand? It is perfectly valid to ask the public and therefore it is fine to see what the public thinks of the game and the coming changes to 2.0, but in the end it is his decision.

Therefore! Cryxx's argument is stupid. His argument is that the OP wants to play the "hip" game with the "cool kids" and jump on the bandwagon... which he is not doing at freekin all... nothing could be further from the truth. He is trying to get a feel for how the game has changed and people's opinions on it to help him judge if he should return.

Does everyone understand?? lol...

The PS3 is in its 7th year. Even with the current generation of consoles lasting longer than their predecessors: how long will it stay relevant, and when will it begin to hold back development?

Btw, it may be just a hunch, but: today you can buy a PC that runs FFXIV at around double the cost of a PS3 (provided you already have the peripherals); so even the cost-effectiveness argument is melting away quickly.

Truthfully, even if it's a horrible failure they will still keep it running for 4-5 years, it won't get any expansions and probably be run on a FFXI style skeleton staff but they won't admit defeat no matter how few players it turns out to get.

This isn't about making money, it's about pride. Wada sees FF as incredibly important to the company, he will do anything to try turn it around. If he fails they will do every underhanded trick they can to make people think it's a success, server padding, bots, lies, paid reviews in Japan.

Failing isn't an option at this point, they invested too much. So if it does they will pretend it's not.

The longevity of XIV should have no bearing for players returning or new players. They are getting more content at a lower cost of entry compared to single player rpgs and newly born mmos. The ps3 will or will not hold back development at some point, if the developers allow it. The ps4 should be powerful enough for a straight pc port.

SE job is one of persuasion. The art of leading consumers to the path of yes. First they must release a quality product. Second, make the game available to access by as wide a consumer base as possible. Third, package it removing reasons to say no. Lastly, offer different pricing structures.
Everyone has their own internal map of what something is worth. Approach with a long term strategy in mind but nail specific goals in a methodical way. Pull the cart with the horse, if an obstacle impedes the path. Adapt, because you can't know the future. Nothing is certain, ever.

I don't know if you're a male. But there is a blurring of the genders happening. I see it in real life and films. The John Waynes, Bruce Willises, and others are being replaced by the sensitive boy-mans like Dicapprio, Robert Pattersons, etc. Real men don't ask for permission, they don't make decisions based off emotions or trends. They know exactly what they want. They do what they say and declare what it is they will do with conviction & authority. They're not jerks but at the same time they have clear boundaries & preferences. The alternative is not getting or doing what it is they truly want because they're too busy being anxious to please.

Be assertive & commited to what you want. Who gives a crap what anyone outside your circle of trust thinks? And if your close friends don't want to play something you really do. I guess you might meet some new additional friends who do enjoy it. In the end, all that matters is if it's worth playing to you.

I just tell it how it is. Actually I am the official male stripper for both parties. :P

Umm when FFXI launched in teh US on PS2 it was in 2004, PS3 came out in 2006 two years later.. yet the PS2 version still sold and did well... otherwise the game wouldnt still be around what? 10 years later?

Just because a game comes out at the end of a consoles lifecycle doesnt mean all of a sudden when that new consoles comes out the old one is gonna be abandoned and put to the side... Also Im sure isf PS4 come sout it wont be until 2014 so the ps3 version will have awhole year to sell.... anyone who actually wants the game on ps3 will have it by then.

But serious I dont understand why people think "new console" = "end of currrent console" how many GOOD ps2 games were coming out and selling well YEARS after ps3 launched? same can be said about ps1 when PS2 ca,e out..

not to mention the fact that Sony launch titles on all their systems sucked so I dont see PS4 being any different.

PS1 wasnt a hit until resident evil, metal gear solid or FF7 came out.. PS2 wasnt worth buying on launch either that didnt step up until mgs2, zone of enders or FFX showed up, and dont even get me started on PS3.. not only did that have NOTHING worth getting in its first few years, even if it DID have good games at launch its price turned off a LOT of people... not all of us has 600+ bucks to drop on a console when it first hits.. and Im 100% certain the Xbox 720 and PS4 will be more powerful than the Wii U yet the Wii U is 350.. so its safe to assume the powerful systems (xbox and ps4) will be at LEAST 400

SO yeah at that price even if ps4 came out tomorrow Im not getting it and im sure no one else will be until 1-2 years after its been out, by that time PS3 will still be going strong and FFXIV on ps3 will have enough room to breathe and survive without worrying about its "big brother" cutting off its life cycle


Also its an MMO... how many years did the original Everquest sustain a playerbase even though MUCH better stuff had come after it? further proof that "new game (or console) doesnt = everyones gonna jump ship and now that old games gonna die

and FFXIV will be out before PS4 is even announced at this point so I fail to see what you mean about FFXI being "capped" before PS3 was announced, as for PS1 ok maybe it was a hit when it cam eout but PS2? sure it had the best line up out of any PS generation but it definitely didnt have a good LAUNCH line up, there was NO game that came out when PS2 launched that made people say "I HAVE to go get this now" those didnt come until later, same as PS3...

also lots of other good PS2 games cam out after FFXI hit.. Id know because i still bought new games even though thanks to FFXI i never played em until 2 years after the fact.. lets see

Disgaea 1
Star Ocean 3
I believe xenosaga 2 (or at least 3) came out after FFXI
.hack GU games
FF12

and plenty more

Your point was or is that XI dint see any drawbacks from the release of a stronger console, and that people should not worry about XIV, my point is that XI was capped long before the PS3 was even announced, it din't meter if they released the PS3 or PS4 or PS5, it reached it's peak already. Totally different from XVI who is not even close at being on par with XI on subscriptions :)

The PS2 did not need a Strong line up, because it's main competitor was the PS1, the xbox was not released way after the PS2 was, and even then the PS2 had a strong line up:

Armored Core 2 (Agetec, Action)
DOA2: Hardcore (Tecmo, Fighting)
Dynasty Warriors 2 (Koei, Action)
ESPN International Track and Field (Konami, Sports)
ESPN X-Games Snowboarding (Konami, Sports)
Eternal Ring (Agetec, RPG)
Evergrace (Agetec, RPG)
FantaVision (SCEI, Puzzle)
Gun Griffon Blaze (Working Designs, Action)
Kessen (EA, Adventure)
Madden NFL 2001 (EA, Sports)
Midnight Club (Rockstar, Racing)
Moto GP (Namco, Racing)
NHL 2001 (EA, Sports)
Orphen (Activision, RPG)
Q-Ball Billiards Master (Take-Two Interactive, Simulation)
Ready 2 Rumble Boxing: Round 2 (Midway, Sports)
Ridge Racer V (Namco, Racing)
Silent Scope (Konami, Shooter)
Smuggler's Run (Rockstar, Racing-Adventure)
SSX (EA, Sports)
Street Fighter EX3 (Capcom, Fighting)
Summoner (THQ, RPG)
Swing Away (Paradise Golf in Japan) (EA, Sports)
Tekken Tag Tournament (Namco, fighting)
TimeSplitters (Eidos, First-Person Shooter)
Unreal Tournament (Infogrames, First-Person Shooter)
Wild Wild Racing (Interplay, Racing)
X-Squad (EA, Action)

Also Disgaea is a niche game, Star ocean 3 was alright, not better than 2, Xenosaga was a joke compared to xenogears, the only really good RPG's for the PS2, where XII, Tales of abyss, Persona 3/4 and FFX. Everything else was Meh! if you compared them to the previous era.

Tangent is irrelevant to OP.

As far as FFXIV A Real Reborn Surviving. That is no longer in question. They tapped the largest digital buyers in the world (china) as part of their selling base.

Even if the game contains a niche audience, they'll likely have more than enough subscribers to maintain. Depending on the quality of the re-release, it stands to be very possible for the numbers of players to spike above where FFXI plateaued, simply due to the larger player pool sampling.

Yoshida polished a turd to the point where the players there were actually enjoying their time in a severely broken client. Granted, a small niche. But if that's what he can do with a broken asset, then recreating one from scratch should prove to be a success.

The degree of which and how much that actually matter will forever be arguable. The point being is SE has invested too much in this game to watch it die out at this point, so you can fully expect it to survive for quite a few years. (SE believes their reputation is worth more than their immediate losses thus far. They know that letting this game flop would substantiate losses well beyond the simple production costs of recreating this game.)

How many people it'll hold in that time, we'll have to see. However I'm not overly concerned. Large MMOs tend to attract a lot of bad crowds. I'd prefer a smaller tighter-knit playerbase than a gigantic cesspool.

Edited, Nov 11th 2012 2:54pm by Hyrist

"Too big to die out" said the dinosaur.


Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! PR manager: "Hey, somebody actually bought that crap!!" (^v^)/\(^u^)

I wouldn't be surprised if FFXIV goes micro-transaction. However, that is still survival. How much of a crew they hold onto will fluctuate regardless of the level of its success.

There is also a larger issue here that you conveniently ignore, Kane. The business model for games themselves are changing. Subscription based games have been put to severe question, especially now in MMOs due to the creation of games like Guild Wars 2, which started their model as micro-transaction one.

You look at this as a failure, I say you're blind for thinking so, as games like LotR Online have actually increased their profits by going free to play. I'm a bit critical of Yoshi for trying to keep current subscription model in the wake of all the changes the game industry is seeing, actually. However we'll see if his gambit pays off.

As I stated first in the thread. There's going to be a wide ass ban of opinions on what is defined as survival, or what is defined as successful. It's all armchair commentary, however, and rather pointless.

What it boils down to is, if you like FFXIV, you'll play it. Enough people will likely do so to keep the servers going. Everything else is irrelevant. If you think you can do better then do it. Otherwise toting around your 'standards' on a third party forum is just social masturbation.

Edited, Nov 12th 2012 1:31am by Hyrist

I see FFXIV running for years. The game's current base is small, but a sizable number of people will definitely be trying it out when 2.0 goes live. This includes PC users who quit soon after 1.0 went live, and new PC users who've been waiting for Version 2.0. This also includes the PS3 crowd, as well as current players who will be buying second copies for a second platform.

Even if the playerbase for this game isn't large, it would be in SE's best interest to keep its most loyal customers in the habit of playing a Square Enix MMORPG. Retaining those customers (and not losing them to other franchises) is worth a ton to SE, in more ways than Xs and Os.

That said, early impressions of v2.0 have been very good. The unique v1.0 storyline was strong, and Yoshi-P & crew made some great improvements to the game, considering how badly their hands were tied by the game's initial poor programming. All indications are that v2.0 will be a solid game with a fantastic storyline. I think it really has the potential to be something of a middle ground between the Everquest/FFXI model of gaming and Guild Wars 2, which is so casual that nobody even talks to each other.

I'd like to hear more (from a technically-minded person) about how specifically FFV, FFVIII, & FFXI were experimenting? I'm curious. FFVIII is different by gameplay (Junction, Draw) and approach (fewer enemies, but they level up) but I'm unaware of any experimentation beyond that. FFV, I'm drawing a blank. I can see how much FFVI, FFIX, & FFXII did and improved over FFIV, FFVII, FFX, but I'm just not seeing that experimentation unless it just meant "middle step", then I can see it.

Both League of Legends and Guild Wars 2 disprove this ascertion with a heavy hand.

The latter is an uprising and popular single purchase MMO.

The former is a Free to play game that is the most played game in history, including WoW. It's also the largest Esport in the business now.

So no, that inpenetrable barrier of "If it's free, it must suck." has already been shattered into pieces. And you're going to see more of it happening. Games that are sold in eppisodes or games that have an upfront cost followed by smaller expansions to purchase. Or even games that are build from the ground up to support microtransactions.

Yes, there is plenty of crap games out on the market with the free to play model. But take a look at any retail library and you realize that issue is utterly irrelevant to the quality of a game produced in the long haul.

It's find that you're concerned about it, but don't try to justify it by drawing bad parrelels. Just be concerned.

Honestly, simple microtransactions isn't the only alternative pay method to a subscription. But subscription models are falling by the wayside, and it is a larger barrier for entry for many potential players who don't want to play upwards of $120 a month for a game. Nobody is going to replicate WoW's success through that method, and remaining stable in that enviroment is also a question.

Granted, I'll pay up, but I question the long term payout of it. We'll see.



Not so much an issue with how casual it is as much as the action-orientation of the game. If you don't find a guild and get into voice programs, you're going to see that problem in Guild Wars 2.

It's a fair bet that you're going to see that issue in FFXIV: ARR as well if they pacing of combat is as fast as they indicate.

Edited, Nov 12th 2012 5:58pm by Hyrist

Final Fantasy is a huge title, and alot of people like the MMO genre... and ontop of that people want MMORPGs for PS3 too. As well as the game is friggin Global too. And you play with people from different nations. With all that being said the game also has an amazing atmosphere in the game. You can just stand in town and feel it. I think its a pretty good game... and seeing that 2.0 is coming out as a revamp. Its definitely going to be considered a completely new game. Which itll just get better and better.

And ontop of that its Open to PS3 players too AND ITS CROSS SERVER! meaning you can play with PS3 players. Since it being availble to this community. It makes it available to much more people, ones who -cant aford a pimped out PC- Even people who are playing PC are also buying a PS3 copy too. Which I am doing that.

I think the game is gunna do really well. And its going to be brand new too. With content rolling out and getting ideas from players. Itll just get better and better.

Not to be a douche but GW2 >>>> FFXIV in every department excluding graphics.... Also FFXIV Story is garbage :) And FFXI story was not even that great, it was incredibly presented, but it was a very simple story, nothing out of this world (Not to say it is not one of the best MMO Story's out there, just saying when compared to most AAA RPG'S it does not holds up)

Also GW2 is doing fine :)

Well, that doesn't really speak for the way the story was presented in the first place, does it?

The point might be mute since the game may not get any expansions anyway but FFXI was crippled later on by the PS2 platform being long dead and getting the expansions was almost impossible.

FFXIV will probably run just as good as FFXI did back when it came out with the usuall fluxuations in subscriptions. I played for a little bit of 1.0 before the servers went down and I really enjoyed it, and can not wait for the 2.0 reboot launch. I fully expect XIV to have a long and happy life if they don't have a horrific launch that v1.0 had.

Good Luck Wint GW2 isn't that Impressive at all.

Well, it was more that people were told to spam through the cutscenes to get to the fight - and if you lost, you had to smash the enter key again. People were in such a hurry to get to the fight that they didn't even read what the characters were saying.

SE corrected this in Wings of the Goddess by having the pre-fight cutscene be a separate event, so people could watch the CS on their own time then all go in the fight together.

Umm CoP better than Xenogears, FFT, FFVI, FFVII, Tales of Dstiny and Symphonia and Lufia 2.. nope

but better than every other game you named (yes that includes Suikoden) indeed it is

Chrono Triggers lack of character development to me makes it not that great, and chrono Cross is worse than Trigger soooo. Now CoP is definitely not better than Suikoden 2... but 1? definitely

and its story is also better than every main FF game except VI and VII so yeah... by the way FFXIV based on VI? What relation does FFXIV have to VI?

You, sir, are a dimwit.