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Bleh double post, stoopid phone >.>

Edited, Feb 20th 2015 4:11am by Velerophon

All they have to do in that situation is simply nerf the content to oblivion (you know like ALL mmos do with old content that no one does anymore that might be a roadblock for someone who just started today?) Or since SE likes making everything soloable in this game.... theres an idea.... lets turn cutters cry and all those dungeons no one wants to do anymore into a scaled down solo version for newbies?

Well if i just started today Im sure my circle of friends wouldnt already be ppl sitting at level 50 waiting for me sooo to answer that question I would HOPE Im not the ONLY one who started today, and if I am, ten oh well sucks to be me I shoulda started earlier, Im sure SE will nerf that content too or Ill just have to do it the hard way and shout/PF for days until I finally DO get people

When I started playing the game, character creation was not open on any data center other than Japanese ones, so I went there. I played FFXI, so I wasn't overly concerned about the language barrier; I knew there would be an auto-translate function. It turned out there were a number of other non-Japanese players on that world, and I ended up in a large FC of English speaking players. The group was not particularly interested in helping out low level characters, but they were more about running HM primals and WP/AK. Oh, and FATE grinding, because that's what was done in those days. The only company action ever on was Heat of Battle. In the days before duty roulette existed, queues for dungeons as a dps were brutal. Especially since I was playing during a time other than the data center's prime time. When the free server transfer came, I moved over to Catwho's server and didn't look back.

So, what I'm saying is that I was arguably in the situation you wanted. It sucked.

There are things you can do to help find a place in the community. You can start an event/progress linkshell and hand out pearls to people you meet up with in Party Finder or who are on your friend list; I'm a member of one of that someone on my friend list started. On our server, there are constant shouts by FCs to recruit people. If your current FC isn't meeting your needs, look at changing it. You can post that you're looking for a static/group in the server section here or the recruitment section of BG. There's also probably something on the official forums too. Now, you might have to take a few steps backwards to get other people caught up with where you are, but that's part of the community building that you want. Those are concrete steps you can take to find what you're looking for.

You're looking at the wrong FCs then.

We opted to build up ours from within. Valk Ayree is the only one in our group that has extensive Coil experience and he runs with his static, but we decided to invest in our friends and help them get to 50, forming a cohesive group along the way - and Valk also runs with us sometimes so we benefit from his expertise. It's win/win - they get to clear content without dealing with duty finder hassles, and we have a base of competent people that will be ready for harder content as soon as they reach it. Does that mean we have to run a bunch of older stuff with them first? Yes! But now they're catching up to things that are beneficial for us too - took Laverda through her first WoD run last night, and we'll be taking another FC through tonight (she was 30 soldiery short of meeting the iLvl cap last night.)

There are probably other FCs you can join that don't have requirements like that. But you probably don't want to join them because you want to join one that already has 7 really good players on the right jobs to plug you in so you can start clearing final coil immediately.

You keep talking about players that have unreasonably high expectations, but it sounds like you suffer from the same problem.

First I'm going to assume you typed this with your tongue... second you may have to broaden your search slightly. Try recruitment forums. Try Reddit. Try talking to the members of existing FCs on your server to see what kinds of openings might be available. FFXIV doesn't have anything as blindingly useful as wowprogress where you can have a nice aggregation of guilds on a server, but the resources are still out there.

Reddit has a huge XIV community.

Reddit is also spoke of negativey

I think it might have worked a little better with a Crystal Tower style loot system, restricting players to 1 item per week. As it currently stands, one person could still get multiple items per week, especially if several items they need drop in a single raid. Using such a system prevents it and still allows players to team up with their friends.

That being said, I can understand arguments against the system too. Being able to 'buy' runs is something SE wants to curtail, so having 7 members who have already run the raid completely ***** up loot chances swiftly annuls their chances. The caveat here is that it means such raids are only really going to be aimed at statics, and it also sadly means that if you don't get your loot one week you might be locked out of loot for the rest of the week as a result.

Sometimes it's a case of taking the lesser of the two evils. Buying runs, in my opinion, isn't the end of the world compared to upsetting ninetey percent of raiders who failed to get their loot in a raid and now have to be carried by future teams.

Edited, Feb 22nd 2015 5:01am by Glitterhands

I started out in the Zam FC on Ultros. It didn't work well due to the pace of all the different players facilitating a sharp pull in two different directions. People who were contributing, helping, and progressing were not promoted as fast as they liked, and like a twig under pressure, it snapped and people left.

The second FC I joined had some good folks in it, and was primarily a small group made up of two groups that ran as coil 1 statics. I didn't have much say (I mean... our FC logo was a pink heart with a unicorn inside) but knew how I wanted to run a system if given the opportunity. I remember my first two FC's on Ultros, I had less priveleges than I give to folks I haven't seen on the game in 30 days... But alas, in that FC on Ultros there were conflicts between the two groups, and the leaders of my group had a baby and you really have to put the baby first (I'd be mad if they didn't) so the static and pretty much the FC broke up right around then. Some stayed, some quit. I was trying at the time to get my friend of 15 years to come over to Ultros, but he was on Lamia. Ultros was a rat race at the time, and I wanted to slow down a bit and enjoy the game.

So I bounced over to Lamia. Turns out another friend of ours was there. All of us started FFXI within two days of each other on Carbuncle, way back when. So we built our FC, and they turned the reins over to me. Then Kat and I decided to merge the FC's and they joined us within the week, because the leader wasn't playing and their FC was going defunct. That was about the time we got Verdha, Illsaide, Lahurah, Evebont, Sparrow, and Pere. My policy was, if you are nice, you stick around, you play, and you progress, you get promoted. And the council can collectively tell me to shut up or overrule me on anything. So... pretty much everyone who plays for a few hours on more than three times a week has nearly all available priveleges. We started in a small house and built it up to a mansion. The FC grew. All the Spin people returned to open arms. More promotions. Our crafters made money, and everyone contributed (for the most part). My guys I brought in were progression based, Kat's people were casual. But, like most all progression based people, my guys eventually split. Wasn't that organized raiding FC like they wanted. But I knew better. I turned down my offers. I don't want to be part of that drama.

The great thing about this game is that you have 8 linkshells, and your static can be outside of your FC. Statics are come and go. It's a hunting party. Most often, that's all they know how to do. They hunt the biggest bad guys really really well. They can't tell you about how to do much else. And they break apart all the time. I've been in four statics since I joined Lamia. But one FC. Maybe I just have a really good group of folks with me, but I feel like FCs should be more of a permanent fixture. A community. Where the banter is friendly and you feel at home. Where everyone contributes in their own way to make the system better as a whole. And as a leader, I strive to never be in a position where I have to tell someone that I don't know something, or never make anyone feel like they can't trust me with the money or I won't make them that craft I promised. And I promote anyone with the same ideals, and stick the people who haven't been on for 90+ days in ice jail.

So my advice, find progression statics and use linkshells for that, and team build with your FC. Bring your knowledge back to the group. Use your connections to get them connections. Help them enjoy the game. And you will have a team. And when one day the FC's can build airships, those progressive static FC's are going to need more crafters and gatherers. And money. All I'm saying.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2015 3:10pm by Valkayree

Man the big rift in Zam FC, I remember that. I forgot we were in the same FC for a while. It even spread to the forums here.. You were one of the big losses to the FC.

Zam is still the only FC I was in but we left them months ago. After Bartel Stepped down they have been through so many leaders.


The bunch of you that are real happy are all in the same FC.
That does not mean that all are FC are like that.

I think the main reason Tesee and I and few other are still without a FC is several reasons.
We want a FC that is more adult/mature/no drama.. Not in age but in actions, it is hard to find.
We want on that is not casual but not hard core. Meaning one that does stuff together and not just used as chat.
Basically We dont want one that does something every night but at least tries to get people through like primals.
Another issue is now a lot FC are set and it has a core group or events can be full and you are left sol.

I think at this point though I would settle for a good group that actually played together. Most can be had now in Statics.


I want what I had in my LS in FFXI.. When we didn't have events we still played together and helped each other out. We still had events and we did those event till everyone needed was through.




Edited, Feb 23rd 2015 1:08pm by Nashred

Edited, Feb 23rd 2015 1:43pm by Nashred