I got my Nyzul 100 floor THF dagger last week. My group been struggling with the 100 floor NM however... right now we managed only 2 wins out of 7-8 tries. I wanted the Dancer dagger too sometime soon.
Must poke and stab... It is my obsession... I need to collect everything that pokes and stabs @_@
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Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
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- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
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- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I thought Death Penalty was one of Vincent's weapons in FF7?
Vaelin wrote:
I thought Death Penalty was one of Vincent's weapons in FF7?
I was looking in historical/legendary/mythological weapons, I honestly hadn't even thought to check previous FF games....
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Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
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Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O
Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
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/sigh..... no great sword ; ;
Professor Jinte wrote:
Knowing SE, It's just a flashy name. As far as I see, there is no Gun ever named "Death Penalty", nor were there a Liberator or a Conqueror in the forms of weapons. at least not in english
"Death Penalty" is obviously refering to the album of an english heavy metal band. If you heard it while in the hull of a ship you for sure would blast a whole with a cannon to get away from it. Honestly people...common knowledge
No offense to those who like the band...I've actually have never heard of it.
EDIT: Oh, and this could be what is meant by Burtgang.
Edited, May 2nd 2008 11:03am by Yogtheterrible
Gastrophetes is also a throwback to FFT/FFXII/FFXII:RW - its always been the name of the best crossbow in those games and more.
I highly doubt these weapons will require absurd amounts of items that are either hardly ever found or cost obscene amounts of gil. That can only drive 95%+ of the players away from even trying to get these, defeating the purpose of even introducing them. If the Ashu Talif series taught anything, it's that minimal chances of rewards for maximum effort is not the way to go. Ask Puppetmasters looking to complete their attachments or the Thief looking for an Adder Jambiya.
Rarity has its place, true enough, but Square-Enix seems to be learning now that you can only make items so rare until people don't even try for them.
Rarity has its place, true enough, but Square-Enix seems to be learning now that you can only make items so rare until people don't even try for them.
Tupsimati were the tablets of law in Sumerian mythology if I recall correctly...
Which others were you unable to find? I'm too lazy to look through and see which were not in that post you made lol.
As for the names like Liberator and Death Penalty, they're just weapons given names of ideas. Even if there were weapons with those names I doubt they were based on anything. Death Penalty is an obvious reference to Vincent's Gun, but the other two were probably given such names because they're rather obscure classes of weapons, two handed axes and more specifically scythes were not popular weapon choices, there aren't a lot of names to draw from that would make sense, so why not use a concept or ideal and explain it with mythos.
Which others were you unable to find? I'm too lazy to look through and see which were not in that post you made lol.
As for the names like Liberator and Death Penalty, they're just weapons given names of ideas. Even if there were weapons with those names I doubt they were based on anything. Death Penalty is an obvious reference to Vincent's Gun, but the other two were probably given such names because they're rather obscure classes of weapons, two handed axes and more specifically scythes were not popular weapon choices, there aren't a lot of names to draw from that would make sense, so why not use a concept or ideal and explain it with mythos.
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I highly doubt these weapons will require absurd amounts of items that are either hardly ever found or cost obscene amounts of gil.
If the difficulty and time needed to finish the weapon is comparable to a Salvage piece, I think it is fair.
Still a good weapon is not intended to be everyone have. And finishing a Salvage piece is still a HECK easier than any relic weapon.
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If the Ashu Talif series taught anything, it's that minimal chances of rewards for maximum effort is not the way to go. Ask Puppetmasters looking to complete their attachments or the Thief looking for an Adder Jambiya.
I do not think the Ashu Talif quests are badly tuned in drop rates, it is mostly people do not do the right quests that drop the right items (people are after the 3% haste pants not the dagger). The PUP items are actually reasonably common imo
Yes, A Jambiya is not a bad weapon, but 3% haste pants are even better. A Jambiya, even it has good stats, is still mostly for show. The best three practical non-Mandau daggers are Blau, Sirroco and Perseus's Harpe.
Edited, May 2nd 2008 1:44pm by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
so who is betting that these weapons have some "in assault" latents that make it so they dont trump the old relics in all situations....
Aww. I was leveling DRK in the first place because I wanted to make good use of Gsword; atleast the rest of the weapons look very nice. Can't wait to see how long it will take to get one of these.
I wouldn't hold my breath on thinking it'll be an easy upgrade.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
You know all this relic talk is nice, but something that was said at the fan fest still troubles me. They said something along the lines of:
"Only their true power will be realized in the past"
To me this sounds like since the relic weapons are old, they lose their true power in the present, but when you go back to the past (WoTG areas) they are at full strength.
"Only their true power will be realized in the past"
To me this sounds like since the relic weapons are old, they lose their true power in the present, but when you go back to the past (WoTG areas) they are at full strength.
Tummie - Garuda/Lakshmi (Retired)
Seriously, you won't be @#%^ing happy until SE releases a full sized Bahamut avatar you can @#%^ing ride and use to kill players that annoy you, one shot AV/PW/Shinryuu, and burn the FFXI nations to the @#%^ing ground for fun. All while actually restoring mp used instead of costing any.
Return1 argued with Mellowy and wrote:
Seriously, you won't be @#%^ing happy until SE releases a full sized Bahamut avatar you can @#%^ing ride and use to kill players that annoy you, one shot AV/PW/Shinryuu, and burn the FFXI nations to the @#%^ing ground for fun. All while actually restoring mp used instead of costing any.
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Tizona was supposedly forged in Cordoba, though considerable amounts of Damascus steel can be found in its blade
Crap...I can see where this is going...
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"Only their true power will be realized in the past"
Or it means the quests and items for it resides in the past. Right now, there are still a lot of room for development (and also unanswered questions) in the WOTG.
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Damascus
I think even with 20 Damascus ignots for a weapon who is lesser only to relic are good deal :P already.
Edited, May 2nd 2008 1:50pm by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
RamseySylph wrote:
Tupsimati were the tablets of law in Sumerian mythology if I recall correctly...
Which others were you unable to find? I'm too lazy to look through and see which were not in that post you made lol.
As for the names like Liberator and Death Penalty, they're just weapons given names of ideas. Even if there were weapons with those names I doubt they were based on anything. Death Penalty is an obvious reference to Vincent's Gun, but the other two were probably given such names because they're rather obscure classes of weapons, two handed axes and more specifically scythes were not popular weapon choices, there aren't a lot of names to draw from that would make sense, so why not use a concept or ideal and explain it with mythos.
Which others were you unable to find? I'm too lazy to look through and see which were not in that post you made lol.
As for the names like Liberator and Death Penalty, they're just weapons given names of ideas. Even if there were weapons with those names I doubt they were based on anything. Death Penalty is an obvious reference to Vincent's Gun, but the other two were probably given such names because they're rather obscure classes of weapons, two handed axes and more specifically scythes were not popular weapon choices, there aren't a lot of names to draw from that would make sense, so why not use a concept or ideal and explain it with mythos.
I posted the others I couldn't find right under your post lol
Murgleis
Aymur
Tupsimati(found it in an anime, but nothing mythological)
Burtgang
Yagrush
Kenkonken
Theytak, Siren Server, FFXI [Retired]
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
LOLGAXE IS MY ETERNAL RIVAL!
Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
LOLGAXE IS MY ETERNAL RIVAL!
Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O
Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
Professor Jinte wrote:
RamseySylph wrote:
Tupsimati were the tablets of law in Sumerian mythology if I recall correctly...
Which others were you unable to find? I'm too lazy to look through and see which were not in that post you made lol.
As for the names like Liberator and Death Penalty, they're just weapons given names of ideas. Even if there were weapons with those names I doubt they were based on anything. Death Penalty is an obvious reference to Vincent's Gun, but the other two were probably given such names because they're rather obscure classes of weapons, two handed axes and more specifically scythes were not popular weapon choices, there aren't a lot of names to draw from that would make sense, so why not use a concept or ideal and explain it with mythos.
Which others were you unable to find? I'm too lazy to look through and see which were not in that post you made lol.
As for the names like Liberator and Death Penalty, they're just weapons given names of ideas. Even if there were weapons with those names I doubt they were based on anything. Death Penalty is an obvious reference to Vincent's Gun, but the other two were probably given such names because they're rather obscure classes of weapons, two handed axes and more specifically scythes were not popular weapon choices, there aren't a lot of names to draw from that would make sense, so why not use a concept or ideal and explain it with mythos.
I posted the others I couldn't find right under your post lol
Murgleis
Aymur
Tupsimati(found it in an anime, but nothing mythological)
Burtgang
Yagrush
Kenkonken
XD *faceplam* Sorry I was in a hurry when I responded lol, I'm an idiot.
Tupsimati - Tablets of Law in Sumerian mythology. The god Enlil wore them on himself at all times, they bore the laws of the universe.
Aymur & Yagrush - A pair of weapons forged by Kothar for the god Baal in Canaanistic mythology.
Murgleis - Ganelon's sword in Chanson de Roland, one of the oldest major works of French literature.
Burtgang - Blutgang, also miss spelled Burtgang in Castlevania, is "Blood Fetcher" the sword wielded by the giant Heime in Norse mythology.
Murgleis - Was the sword of Ganelon, stepfather of Roland, as described in the Chanson de Roland.
Kenkonken - This is much more vague, I can't seem to find any reference of this in mythology, as it's always harder with that of Japanese origin, it is referenced in an Anime. But I believe it's simply a term ä¹¾å¤åœ or "Sphere's of Heaven and Earth" as I translate it? I could be wrong, but it seems to be what it may be referencing. It makes sense, considering the weapon's spherical nature.
Edited, May 2nd 2008 11:31am by RamseySylph
Edited, May 2nd 2008 11:33am by RamseySylph
So far for Yagrush I've come up with that it was a club owned by the deity Ba'al in near eastern mythology. Seems there was more than one Ba'al though.
From Ugaritic Mythology;
Baal (also called Baal-Zephon(Saphon), Hadad, Pidar and Rapiu (Rapha?) - 'the shade')
The son of El, the god of fertility, 'rider of the clouds', and god of lightning and thunder. He is 'the Prince, the lord of earth', 'the mightiest of warriors', 'lord of the sky and the earth' (Alalakh). He has a palace on Mt. Zephon. He has a feud with Yam. His voice is thunder, his ship is a snow bearing cloud. He is known as Rapiu during his summer stay in the underworld.
He upbraids the gods for their cowardice when they intend to hand him over to Yam's messengers and attacks them but is restrained by Athtart and Anat. Kothar-and-Khasis gives him the magic weapons Yagrush (Chaser) and Aymur (Driver). He strikes Yam in chest and in the forehead, knocking him out. Athtart rebukes Baal and calls on him to 'scatter' his captive, which he does. In a alternate version of this episode, he slays Lotan (Leviathan), the seven-headed dragon. The battle may have been representative of rough winter sea-storms which calmed in the spring and which were preceded and accompanied by autumn rains which ended summer droughts and enabled crops to grow.
This also appears to be where they got the idea of giving them to WHMs on the sea.
From Ugaritic Mythology;
Baal (also called Baal-Zephon(Saphon), Hadad, Pidar and Rapiu (Rapha?) - 'the shade')
The son of El, the god of fertility, 'rider of the clouds', and god of lightning and thunder. He is 'the Prince, the lord of earth', 'the mightiest of warriors', 'lord of the sky and the earth' (Alalakh). He has a palace on Mt. Zephon. He has a feud with Yam. His voice is thunder, his ship is a snow bearing cloud. He is known as Rapiu during his summer stay in the underworld.
He upbraids the gods for their cowardice when they intend to hand him over to Yam's messengers and attacks them but is restrained by Athtart and Anat. Kothar-and-Khasis gives him the magic weapons Yagrush (Chaser) and Aymur (Driver). He strikes Yam in chest and in the forehead, knocking him out. Athtart rebukes Baal and calls on him to 'scatter' his captive, which he does. In a alternate version of this episode, he slays Lotan (Leviathan), the seven-headed dragon. The battle may have been representative of rough winter sea-storms which calmed in the spring and which were preceded and accompanied by autumn rains which ended summer droughts and enabled crops to grow.
This also appears to be where they got the idea of giving them to WHMs on the sea.
I think you borked up your order a bit 
ficksed
interesting.. my theory was totally off. sounds like sch though
whm and bst weapons are a set? orly?
strange that I didn't find this... probably some punctuation i missed or something
That doesn't sound like a sword that belonged to the man who was "the very embodiment of chivalry itself." to me
ficksed
RamseySylph wrote:
Tupsimati - Tablets of Law in Sumerian mythology. The god Enlil wore them on himself at all times, they bore the laws of the universe.
interesting.. my theory was totally off. sounds like sch though
RamseySylph wrote:
Aymur & Yagrush - A pair of weapons forged by Kothar for the god Baal in Canaanistic mythology. He is ordered by El to build Yam's throne. He upbraids Yam for rising against Baal and threatens him with a magic weapon. He gives Baal the magic weapons Yagrush (Chaser) and Aymur (Driver).
He crafts Baal's bribe for Athirat, a temple serving set of g
He crafts Baal's bribe for Athirat, a temple serving set of g
whm and bst weapons are a set? orly?
RamseySylph wrote:
Murgleis - Ganelon's sword in Chanson de Roland, one of the oldest major works of French literature. was the sword of Ganelon, stepfather of Roland, as described in the Chanson de Roland.
strange that I didn't find this... probably some punctuation i missed or something
RamseySylph wrote:
Burtgang - Blutgang, also miss spelled Burtgang in Castlevania, is "Blood Fetcher" the sword wielded by the giant Heime in Norse mythology.
That doesn't sound like a sword that belonged to the man who was "the very embodiment of chivalry itself." to me
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Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
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Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
Amerida Baker, Balmung Server, FFXIV
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Reiterpallasch wrote:
Glitterhands wrote:
Am I the only one who clicked on this thread expecting actual baby photos [of Jinte]? o.O
Except if it were baby photos, it would be like looking at before and afters of Michael Jackson. Only instead of turning into a white guy, he changes into a chick!
While I agree with you Jinte, SE takes crap out of context all the time, a Catoblepas is a Dhalmel in this game, in mythology its an armored boar who has the ability to petrify you with its eyes, so yeah.
Also, I looked up Kenkonken further in the Japanese Wikipedia and got much better results.
What I was able to discern was that first of all, Kenkonken was definitely a Chakram, a type of throwing weapon. Furthermore, I was able to discern that it was a weapon wielded by a boy god in Taoist mythology, along with a cloak of concealment an a spear of fire? Or perhaps, the three gods each wielded one of these? It's a bit hard for me to read, it's the first paragraph, but my kanji is terrible so I'm taking shots in the dark on some of it.
I can definitely say that it's a Chakram in Taoist mythology though.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%8A%E3%82%BF%E5%A4%AA%E5%AD%90
Also, I looked up Kenkonken further in the Japanese Wikipedia and got much better results.
What I was able to discern was that first of all, Kenkonken was definitely a Chakram, a type of throwing weapon. Furthermore, I was able to discern that it was a weapon wielded by a boy god in Taoist mythology, along with a cloak of concealment an a spear of fire? Or perhaps, the three gods each wielded one of these? It's a bit hard for me to read, it's the first paragraph, but my kanji is terrible so I'm taking shots in the dark on some of it.
I can definitely say that it's a Chakram in Taoist mythology though.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%8A%E3%82%BF%E5%A4%AA%E5%AD%90
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Or it means the quests and items for it resides in the past. Right now, there are still a lot of room for development (and also unanswered questions) in the WOTG.
i was thinking this as well. maybe the upgrade quests are all based in the WotG areas.
eh. I hope the BLM staff is useful and not trash.
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scchan wrote:
Yes, A Jambiya is not a bad weapon, but 3% haste pants are even better. A Jambiya, even it has good stats, is still mostly for show. The best threefour practical non-Mandau daggers are Blau, Sirroco, Vajra, and Perseus's Harpe.
Edited, May 2nd 2008 1:44pm by scchan
Edited, May 2nd 2008 1:44pm by scchan
FTFY =D
I have my Swordbreaker ready and waiting to be upgraded. I'm not sure HOW it's going to be made, but I know there's definitely going to be a lot of win and sauce in there somewhere.
kylen wrote:
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Besides stuff like Ridill being better than WAR relic(or so I've heard)
Um, not even close.
yes it is. ridill is a good deal better then bravura. destroyers are also better then spharai on most mobs (basicly spharai are better for really low def mobs)
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this would be incredibly stupid. having to get up to F96 for EVERY person, instead of just 2? they had better not do something like that -.-"
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