LS troubles and advice?Follow

I kinda need your help on something guys.

I've been part of a mission-mini-HNM-Social LS for quite some time now, they used to be all good and decent people. We went out, had fun. Fought some of the lesser HNM's, did the Zillart missions, CoP and pretty much always jumped up to help one another when someone needed a hand.

But we weren't a very large group.

Recently, we've been inviting a lot of people, mostly just from shouts or people without a pearl. And during these invites, more often then not, someone invited really terrible players with a horrible reputation. People who can't type a sentence without cussing a random player out. People who would make a 12 year old look mature. And even some straight up server-wide known scammers joined in.

I tried telling them about it, they refused to listen and ignored me as always. Basicly, it's come to a point where i can no longer enjoy my time in this Linkshell with these people around.

I know there are others who are a little ticked off about this as well, but they just have the sparkle of bigger prey in their eyes and want to get all their rare items from gods now with this new group.

I could care less about all those things if the moment i login i'm greeted with all kinds of profanities. I tried blisting them all at one point, but i'm being forced to go into (horrible sucking) parties with them during LS events regardless. I seriously can't stand any of these new recruits anymore.

Think it's time to look for a new LS?
Kick all the new recruits in a blind fury? (sackholder)
Maybe just quit?
Something else?

Make your own LS so you can decide who goes and who stays i would leave cause if you consider it highly now you will one day or get reall mad at someone and get kicked >< From one who knows

I refuse to sit with jerks in the game to get gear in this game.

What I will do is summon a LS leader meeting, and try talk/vote it once more first. In other words, make sure you really have taken all steps to take diplomacy as a solution first. Make sure you "lobby" for support from other sacks and the person made the LS before summoning such meeting.

Usually the above conflict occur with specific LS sacks have significantly difference views with some other LS sacks. If the idea to scramble for members originates from the person made the LS (the only person that can de-sack) and he/she refuses to talk, I think you will be better off moving to a new LS (or take a break from the game). >_<

No matter what happens, I think there will be "causalities" in this fight. Someone will probably forced to or get mad and quit/kicked from the LS.

This whole matter would not have arose if randomly getting people into LS to "do stuff" have occurred. Damage has occurred, and it needs mitigation and control ><

Edited, Jul 22nd 2007 12:27pm by scchan

Boot the members who got in from shouts and start accepting apps.

Nothing sucks worse than a shout for members sky ls.

Your shell has become like every large HNM shell. My reccomendation is to get a good social shell and use your HNM shell as a means of getting gear only. You don't have to like it, you only have to tolerate it to get your stuff.

Believe it or not usually when a LS owner dubs a person a sackholder.. Your essentially one of the leaders or "go to" guys. It's just seen in the hierarchy of most LS's in the end. I feel your pain now and have felt it for awhile, but my complaints are with many other sackholders and less on the new members aspect. Simple solution is remove yourself from the leadership role your part of, create a pearl and dump your sack. You should not have any responibility or have the ability to add/remove someone at will from the LS with your current state of unhappiness.

Seriously I would just be "one of the guys" type pearls.. If the others are being royal douchebags about things you may not have to join in, but just making a simple pearl removes you from the responsibility aspect of numerous things. I've delt with rule breakers and I am someone who has always wanted to kick them to the curb, instead I was always met with opposition and hostility by other leaders even after rules they made were broken. Usually the blind invites are friends of the person who invited them, so they will always have an ally if things go bad.. Your immediately out numbered 2 to 1.

Another option to consider is seriously, if this shell makes you this unhappy then leave the server. This granted removes you from the entire situation of dealing with those idiots, however it places you into an all new scenario with possibly better or worse amounts of idiots.

One big thing to keep in mind overall, is the fact that evidently your leaders do not see anything wrong with whats going on.. So if you bring it to their attention you have 2 possible outcomes:

1) Leaders see your point of view and kick the members
2) Your essentially told to shut up and color..

It sounds like in the current situation that you will most likely have #2 happen..And if you went on a kicking rampage no matter how justified, you will still be held in the wrong, most likely kicked from the shell because you stepped over someone's toes/authority.. And the idiots will get new pearls whereas you won't.

Just my .02 cents.

Whats up surian!

Im in his ls and I am one of the players he hates. I have tried to work things out more then once, I even left to stop drama because it wasn't worth it. I'm even on his blacklist. I was asked back to lunar cry. He hates me because I leveled ninja to 75, he hates ninja's talks nonstop **** about them. I made all attempts to get a working relationship with surian, but he just doesn't care. Maybe just maybe if you made an effort to get to know players be nice to them before you randomly say you're new i hate you, you may like some of them. And when has anyone swore on LC lol? Never once have I seen it. Well see you take the lp off when i get home.

1) It was posted here because it directly effects the issue being discussed. It was not random other drama that was posted here, its the actual story behind the post.
2) So you have a little more faith in someone who posts on Alla all the time, ya I don't have scholar status. Throw in a title that can be dropped or gained easy by rate up/rate down no matter what truth is just depending on what the majority want to hear. I proclaim im the one he hates because he has made it very very clear. I can go screenshot the whole ls thread where he bashes on ninja over and over, i disagree and he started hating me if you would like? but I wont because that would be adding drama to the fight. He talks all this **** upon the new players, yet we have helped everyone in the ls camp nms/pop nms/tests/ af/ etc hell even ryan did a run of every avatar for people who needed it to be nice.

People with high post counts have no life! Trust the low post count peoplez!


Don't follow advice based on karma/postcount alone. Listen to everything and make your own decision based on what you've learned.

I haven't even read more then the first half of the OPs post. Don't trust those high post count peoples! Low post count onry!

Ironically, complaining about karma bombs also = karma bombs.

Work... things out?

You're talking about the one where you gave me the option to quit, or accept you for the coldhearted ******* that you are?

I came here asking for advice, since i'm really troubled over losing the fun i once had without attacking anyone, not naming anyone in particular, not naming a linkshell, not naming a server (though the guess was right, kujata, where the drama runs freely). Instead, where as most posts were from people who seemed to at the very least care and try to help me. You come here and start ripping, just to cause drama.

Are you on my blacklist? yes.
Do i have a problem with your attitude? Definately
Is this about you leveling ninja? No, you're simply a major jerk.

But... why are you asuming this is even about you in the first place?
Do you deem yourself that important Sevv? Is everything in this game about you?
You are part of the problem. Not the whole problem.

Please step down from your high horse.

Please go on with the previous discussions. I liked some of the options that were offered me way up in this topic.

If there is one thing, I will not be specific on any LS, but in general.

Co-exist != tolerance of asshats and bad behavior in the game

There is no way I can tell the degree of problem in the OP's LS, but I see quite often a lot of players defend co-existence with "put up with people to get gear." Game is intended to be fun, it is not a place one should have to "put up with someone."

Of course realistically, in an online game, it is next to impossible to avoid asshats in the game. But I don't think anyone should take a low standard. "Put up with someone" should not be the goal with social relationship in the game.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2007 1:47pm by scchan