is ff11 going to have subscription fee reduced...?Follow

lol. So, if they'd say they were going free, they obviously would be. And since they said they're not, they obviously are because they're either lying or wrong.

Having an agenda is awesome.

Let's not forget a whole 'nother wave coming in when they allow digital sales again.

So does preludes want XIV to fail? Does he really think that will mean good things for XI or does he just want to wiz in someone's Cheerios? Does he think that if XIV 2.0 fails it will somehow morph into XI 2.0? Am I really trying to make sense out of a bunch of video game wars nonsense?

I guess if you ignore that XI still brings in a mint of almost pure unadulterated profit, and pretend that Square is just a video game company, and that whatever they'd lose on 14 this time they wouldn't just remake with 15, 13-5, or whatever the next stinky brown bag they write Final Fantasy on is, because that's how rabid the fanbase truly is, then sure. If XIV sinks, Square is totally dead.

Oh, you'd probably have to ignore that "Square is dead if 14 fails," "Square is dead if 13 fails," "Square is dead if 12 fails," so on and so forth is the mantra that is repeated with each iteration. I've said it elsewhere, and I'll repeat it here: Square has given people dozens of reasons to revolt over the last decade. If their fans haven't revolted and left yet, they never will. Call it what you will; Resilience, stubbornness, faith or Stockholm Syndrome.

It's funny, but as long as people like prelude exist, Square will exist.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 11:15am by lolgaxe

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Strange, I never thought of Yoshida as being a rabid fanboy .. yet it was him who voiced the issue in the first place.

The fact WoW and FFXI are alive 8+ years after launch proves that new shinies don't hold people long term, if they did this game would of died long ago. Player loyalty is a real thing in mmos. Keep in mind that XIV is as alien to an XI player as WoW is and that's the kicker after the months have passed, I know lots that went to play WoW and came back to XI. The total lack of community and high burn rate of content on XIV are it's main weaknesses.

The whole question of this post is will FFXI get a reduction and I can't see why it would, very very few players can play 2 mmos well so a reduction is only going to hurt their profits long-term and it surely won't go free to play because there is nothing to gain in that happening (there are very imporant reasons XI would not work as a free to play while XIV would). XIV on the other hand has a lot to gain from going free to play or having a price reduction in the sub, watch for them adding a cash shop to that game soon selling fantasia potions or whatever.

When you're bored of FFXIV and you've done it all in the first 6 months *cough*first month*cough* FFXI will still be here, chugging away and adding new content. The players that like FFXI will still be playing it and like it or not many that are trying XIV will come back to it. Of the 2 games FFXI is still in the stronger position because it's paid for itself long ago and is pure profit, XIV is still dragged down by massive development budgets.

You know the developers removed crystal castles content that is supposed to be done in order to gear up for that right? I'm guessing you don't. Artifical difficulty by removing content is nothing to be proud of, tactics like that wasn't a good thing on FFXI (AV) and it's not here either.

The few getting to clearing wings are doing so despite the best efforts on the dev team to stop them (removing content that was supposed to be done to gear up to do coils is fail), you know that as well as I do. People killed AV when it was unkillable too that didn't mean it wasn't a fail tactic by the developers.

XI content right now is pretty bad because of a bad development team (abyssea showed how easily that is turned around though, players came back to the game from years absence for it), XIV content right now is also pretty fail. I agree with you. The difference is XI has other things in the mix that outweight the fail, time invested, community, stability etc. Also as I said before the chances of XI going free to play are almost non-existent (I'll list some reasons f2p would simply not work for XI if you like), same can't be said for XIV because there is a very real possibility of it (even Yoshida won't rule it out and outlined his possible plans if/when it happens). There are many XIV players that straight out state they will quit when it goes free to play, where do you think they will go?

You say XI isn't worth the subscription fee based on content, under those circumstances neither is XIV. All it has is pretty graphics and a new world to explore both of these wear within months, people thought Aion was the prettiest game they ever saw....for a while, then the failings started to shine through.

A package deal would not be more profitable at all, simple fact is people just won't play 2 mmos long-term. So unless the package deal is $1-2 more very few will do it and the loss to SE will be too big. In 6 months we could very easily be in the situation where XI has more or very similar player numbers to XIV. You may not like that and totally refuse to accept it but it's still very possible. Just because you think your character is pretty (I'm assuming this is all you see in it because it sure does nothing else better than 8 year olds mmos in terms of gameplay) doesn't outweigh all the failings of that game and most players won't be as forgiving as you seem to be.

XIV at launch is already far below what almost any other mmo at launch has achieved in terms of player numbers, it's all downhill from here. Considering this game does nothing unique that warrants spending large sums of money on it is also another black mark against it.

Count number of launch servers to almost any mmo at launch and compare them to XIV -JP servers and see how it compares, this ain't so smash hit.

Pity there are far more wow players on XIV than XI players.

Community is nowhere near as good, anyone that has played XIV and doesn't straight out lie can tell you this.

SE haven't proven to be against cash shops at all (in fact if you do some research into their latest announcments you would see that they are pushing to go right into free to play options with extra monetisation systems), you are confusing how a company ran one title with how they will push forward. This is a whole other ball game, time will tell how they try to mometise the game but it's highly unlikely they will be able to make the money back on subs alone. This isn't FFXI that cost 12 million to create. Needs must when the devil rides. As many say, XIV is NOT XI and whatever happend there has very little relevence.

As for "Never going back", I've heard this so many times on so many games from so many players. Opinions can change in a heart beat. WoW and FFXI players have said this many, many times in the honeymoon period (WoW players say it in every new mmo I've played in shouts and they almost always do go back). WoW and FFXI wouldn't be as old as they are with still decent populations if this were true.

I like SE's version of cash shops, to be honest.

"Here is this real world CD/necklace/ring/toy/ticket to our VanaFest event. It includes a redemption code for an in-game item!"

So we get our vanity items in game, but also get a physical thing to match it in real life. I've worn my Leviathan necklace to Dragon*Con because it's a pretty nifty piece of pewter.