I'm considering returning to FFXI and i would like to start from scratch. Though i would have to do Abyssea for levels and merits i would like to avoid it for gearing because it was already a chore back then and now it should be close to impossible to get a linkshell doing +1/2 runs.
Is there an option to gear yourself through crafts now? Can a level 99 get right into adoulin content with perle/hauberk/etc and start farming his way to endgame content there?
As for jobs, i used to be RDM main and Abyssea kinda trashed the job. What jobs are not viable (as not going to be invited normally) for Adoulin?
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RDM is experiencing a renaissance because many Adoulin bosses are susceptible to enfeebles.
As for skipping Abyssea, you can certainly ignore the Empyrean weapons for the moment.RDM especially can avoid the Empyrean set - about the only piece that's really great is the feet. I still macro in my trusty old AF+1 body and have a rag tag scattering of pieces from everything from Assaults (good old Yigit gages) to Nashira to the relic hat. I stand corrected!
Other jobs will have wide and varied milage. The Empyrean +2 set is still #1 for bard, for example, and for BLM (although BLM is like RDM in that it's so macro heavy that it isn't funny.) Melee will have to weigh in on each job in regards to whether Abyssea can be ignored.
Edited, May 28th 2013 9:33am by Catwho
As for skipping Abyssea, you can certainly ignore the Empyrean weapons for the moment.
Other jobs will have wide and varied milage. The Empyrean +2 set is still #1 for bard, for example, and for BLM (although BLM is like RDM in that it's so macro heavy that it isn't funny.) Melee will have to weigh in on each job in regards to whether Abyssea can be ignored.
Edited, May 28th 2013 9:33am by Catwho
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Catwho wrote:
RDM is experiencing a renaissance because many Adoulin bosses are susceptible to enfeebles.
As for skipping Abyssea, you can certainly ignore the Empyrean weapons for the moment. RDM especially can avoid the Empyrean set - about the only piece that's really great is the feet. I still macro in my trusty old AF+1 body and have a rag tag scattering of pieces from everything from Assaults (good old Yigit gages) to Nashira to the relic hat.
Other jobs will have wide and varied milage. The Empyrean +2 set is still #1 for bard, for example, and for BLM (although BLM is like RDM in that it's so macro heavy that it isn't funny.) Melee will have to weigh in on each job in regards to whether Abyssea can be ignored.
As for skipping Abyssea, you can certainly ignore the Empyrean weapons for the moment. RDM especially can avoid the Empyrean set - about the only piece that's really great is the feet. I still macro in my trusty old AF+1 body and have a rag tag scattering of pieces from everything from Assaults (good old Yigit gages) to Nashira to the relic hat.
Other jobs will have wide and varied milage. The Empyrean +2 set is still #1 for bard, for example, and for BLM (although BLM is like RDM in that it's so macro heavy that it isn't funny.) Melee will have to weigh in on each job in regards to whether Abyssea can be ignored.
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Depending on the job, the Empyrean armor (which is obtained through Abyssea) can be irreplaceable, so you really couldn't skip gearing up through Abyssea if you want that job to be good. For example, any White Mage worth a grain of salt will tell you that the Orison Pantaloons +2 are one of the most amazing pieces in the game, since a strong Cure IV (which is what a White Mage should be using outside of Abyssea in most situations) will cost very little/next to no MP. For a lot of jobs, there's at least one or two pieces of Empyrean armor that are still absolutely essential, even with the advancements in gear since Abyssea came out, so you'd be doing yourself a major disservice by not taking the time to farm those pieces up.
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RDM is experiencing a renaissance because many Adoulin bosses are susceptible to enfeebles.
As for skipping Abyssea, you can certainly ignore the Empyrean weapons for the moment. RDM especially can avoid the Empyrean set - about the only piece that's really great is the feet. I still macro in my trusty old AF+1 body and have a rag tag scattering of pieces from everything from Assaults (good old Yigit gages) to Nashira to the relic hat.
Other jobs will have wide and varied milage. The Empyrean +2 set is still #1 for bard, for example, and for BLM (although BLM is like RDM in that it's so macro heavy that it isn't funny.) Melee will have to weigh in on each job in regards to whether Abyssea can be ignored.
As for skipping Abyssea, you can certainly ignore the Empyrean weapons for the moment. RDM especially can avoid the Empyrean set - about the only piece that's really great is the feet. I still macro in my trusty old AF+1 body and have a rag tag scattering of pieces from everything from Assaults (good old Yigit gages) to Nashira to the relic hat.
Other jobs will have wide and varied milage. The Empyrean +2 set is still #1 for bard, for example, and for BLM (although BLM is like RDM in that it's so macro heavy that it isn't funny.) Melee will have to weigh in on each job in regards to whether Abyssea can be ignored.
Sorry, but this is incorrect as far as RDM's Estoqueur's +2 set goes. The entire set, all 5 pieces, when used with Compsure, makes all of a RDM's buffs last much longer then without it. This lightens the cast load on a RDM to focus on other things, such as enfeebles, back up cures, and nukes. Secondly, the +2 legs augments Refresh effect when cat on either the RDM him/herself and whoever the RDM is casting it on. The head/legs also are solid nuke pieces to start with while working for Adoulin gear. I just recently started rebuilding my RDM, so not sure what pieces replace them. Also, you should be idling in Relic+2 hat, AF3+2 body, and the serpentes hands/feet at a minimum.
While I certainly won't discount the usefulness of the Empyrean+2 set for buffs, the fact remains that for RDM's primary role, which is enfeebling, it's not essential. RDM's no longer the sole mage at the party, and WHM is going to be doing most of the buffing in an alliance setting.
You'll want to get Visions of Abyssea at the very least for Experience Point Parties.
I discern from the cut of your post that you are going to be a Red Mage in which case you should definately work towards some +2 Abyssea gear as certain pieces make a huge difference: Body and Hands+2 are phenomenal for Red Mage.
Orvail gear is certainly passable if you decide to go straight into Adoulin content but you're really doing yourself a disservice not getting some +1 and/or +2 kit.
Body,
DEF:52 INT+12 MND+12 Magic Accuracy+10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Easily one of the best if not THE BEST Enfeebeling body for any Red Mage, Jewels can be tricky to get in order to +2 it but it's so so so worthwhile.
Hands,
DEF:22 MND+6 Magic Accuracy+7 Enfeebling magic skill +15
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Fantastic hands for MND based Enfeebles and Enfeebling magic in general. The boost to the already fantastic Saboteur doesn't go amiss either.
Edited, May 27th 2013 1:06pm by Tatham
I discern from the cut of your post that you are going to be a Red Mage in which case you should definately work towards some +2 Abyssea gear as certain pieces make a huge difference: Body and Hands+2 are phenomenal for Red Mage.
Orvail gear is certainly passable if you decide to go straight into Adoulin content but you're really doing yourself a disservice not getting some +1 and/or +2 kit.
Body,
DEF:52 INT+12 MND+12 Magic Accuracy+10
Adds "Refresh" effect
Enhances enfeebling magic effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Easily one of the best if not THE BEST Enfeebeling body for any Red Mage, Jewels can be tricky to get in order to +2 it but it's so so so worthwhile.
Hands,
DEF:22 MND+6 Magic Accuracy+7 Enfeebling magic skill +15
Enhances "Saboteur" effect
Set: Augments "Composure"
Fantastic hands for MND based Enfeebles and Enfeebling magic in general. The boost to the already fantastic Saboteur doesn't go amiss either.
Edited, May 27th 2013 1:06pm by Tatham
You'll want the entire Estoqueur's set, and there are many valuable pieces of Abyssea gear that are still best in slot or close to it like Dark Rings, Serpentes set, Augur set, Portent Pants, and Twilight Torque off the top of my head. Probably a lot of melee gear you want too, if you're into that kind of thing. There are a lot of very relevant pieces that you won't want to miss.
To say that RDM is making a comeback because Delve NMs can be enfeebled is not quite right. It's more that RDM is needed to stick debuffs on certain NMs, and coupled with RDM's other attributes makes it worth bringing along again.
To say that RDM is making a comeback because Delve NMs can be enfeebled is not quite right. It's more that RDM is needed to stick debuffs on certain NMs, and coupled with RDM's other attributes makes it worth bringing along again.
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Will disagree vehemently for skipping out on the +2 set for RDM largely for reasons Ayanno outlined. Time is incredibly precious to RDM. As such, less time spent casting Haste (WHM holds no advantage here) and Refresh II (WHM doesn't get), the better both in MP efficiency and being able to do more. Personally, I can't say I'm in agreement with the sentiment some hold about Adoulin rejuvenating RDM's role as an enfeebler, however. RDM holds no unique debuffs outside of slightly higher potencies for the two that generally matter (Slow and Para). All A+ Enfeebling affords is higher MACC, but BLM, SCH, and WHM don't exactly hurt for that stat or even gear with it and INT/MND on top. Granted, it may be a prevailing issue that those jobs never felt the need to gear for enfeebling in the past due to very little need outside of BLMs in Dynamis. Mechanically, some would argue immunobreak also favors these jobs more than it does RDM, too.
Regardless of my personal stance on the job and how to fix it, you will still be a third-rate healer, nuker, and not-worth-mentioning melee. Enfeebling is a role SE needs to vastly expand upon to even begin legitimizing the sentiment some try to push now. As such, when/if Delve falls out of favor, any and all perceived advantages RDM may hold now will be lost, as the job itself hasn't changed one iota from the days of never getting invites to VW or Abyssea. So, it may be in your better interest to focus on something more popular now, even if it may require a few more steps to get ready. And if you want my jaded opinion, SCH is the "Red Mage" some seem to really crave.
Regardless of my personal stance on the job and how to fix it, you will still be a third-rate healer, nuker, and not-worth-mentioning melee. Enfeebling is a role SE needs to vastly expand upon to even begin legitimizing the sentiment some try to push now. As such, when/if Delve falls out of favor, any and all perceived advantages RDM may hold now will be lost, as the job itself hasn't changed one iota from the days of never getting invites to VW or Abyssea. So, it may be in your better interest to focus on something more popular now, even if it may require a few more steps to get ready. And if you want my jaded opinion, SCH is the "Red Mage" some seem to really crave.
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Bottom line is that with 2 other ppl to help you, you can get full AF3+2 in a week EASILY. Many of the pieces are still best-in-slot for many situations. Just take a week and get it before moving to SoA. If nothing else, it's a great baseline set to get you started.
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For example, any White Mage worth a grain of salt will tell you that the Orison Pantaloons +2 are one of the most amazing pieces in the game,
These are my favorite piece of AF3, period. Definitely do not pass these up as a WHM.
Any scholar needs +2 hands and head from abby. You can skip the rest.
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Any scholar needs +2 hands and head from abby. You can skip the rest.
I'd definitely say that the body could be skipped, but the legs and feet are still useful pieces. The legs are great for Mnd based enfeebles where you may need a little bit more M.acc, and the feet should be what you're nuking in with Klimaform up and the same weather, since that's a 10% dmg boost.
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Oh god, now i'm worried. I remember it used to be so hard to get +1 seals back then (shouts in jeuno/lsmates willing to help) and +2 only with the ls. Now creating a new character and linkshells prob doing adoulin content i think i'm out of luck.
I'm thinking of leveling Corsair, BST and Thief. Maybe RDM if i ever get in a LS that helps with abyssea stuff for AF3+2 gear. I have a lot of research to do, but i'm kinda bummed ill have to face abyssea all over again (Atmas, +1/2 farming oh God, help me). :(
But thanks guys for your comments. Now i have to choose a server. I'm between Odin and Asura. Anyone have an idea which should have more NA to play with?
Edited, May 27th 2013 8:59pm by Sobrana
I'm thinking of leveling Corsair, BST and Thief. Maybe RDM if i ever get in a LS that helps with abyssea stuff for AF3+2 gear. I have a lot of research to do, but i'm kinda bummed ill have to face abyssea all over again (Atmas, +1/2 farming oh God, help me). :(
But thanks guys for your comments. Now i have to choose a server. I'm between Odin and Asura. Anyone have an idea which should have more NA to play with?
Edited, May 27th 2013 8:59pm by Sobrana
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Any scholar needs +2 hands and head from abby. You can skip the rest.
I'd definitely say that the body could be skipped, but the legs and feet are still useful pieces. The legs are great for Mnd based enfeebles where you may need a little bit more M.acc, and the feet should be what you're nuking in with Klimaform up and the same weather, since that's a 10% dmg boost.
I only skipped the legs because he can get the nni legs what are a little better. But i agree feet are nice. The delve body blows schs out of the water. And sch is a demand job for fracture farming.
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kimjongil76 wrote:
Any scholar needs +2 hands and head from abby. You can skip the rest.
I'd definitely say that the body could be skipped, but the legs and feet are still useful pieces. The legs are great for Mnd based enfeebles where you may need a little bit more M.acc, and the feet should be what you're nuking in with Klimaform up and the same weather, since that's a 10% dmg boost.
I only skipped the legs because he can get the nni legs what are a little better. But i agree feet are nice. The delve body blows schs out of the water. And sch is a demand job for fracture farming.
The problem is showing up to NNI & Delve in Teal gear. Which is what it sounds like you're recommending.
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kimjongil76 wrote:
Any scholar needs +2 hands and head from abby. You can skip the rest.
I'd definitely say that the body could be skipped, but the legs and feet are still useful pieces. The legs are great for Mnd based enfeebles where you may need a little bit more M.acc, and the feet should be what you're nuking in with Klimaform up and the same weather, since that's a 10% dmg boost.
I only skipped the legs because he can get the nni legs what are a little better. But i agree feet are nice. The delve body blows schs out of the water. And sch is a demand job for fracture farming.
You're losing out on a little bit of potency (14 Mnd on Nares vs. 11 Mnd on Savant's +2), but as I said, they're the better piece when magic accuracy is a bit of an issue, since you're gaining 25 magic accuracy from the Grimoire: Magic Accuracy as well as the Enfeebling Skill.
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RDM especially can avoid the Empyrean set - about the only piece that's really great is the feet. I still macro in my trusty old AF+1 body and have a rag tag scattering of pieces from everything from Assaults (good old Yigit gages) to Nashira to the relic hat.
Can't disagree with this more. IMO, this is most worthwhile COMPLETE JSE RDM has ever had. In any case, I wouldn't skip abyssea.
I'll defer to the career RDMs here. 
So no then, Abyssea content can't really be skipped regardless of jobs.
The thing is, BST can solo many seal NMs, and so can DNC. RDM/NIN might even have a shot at some of them. I've solo'd Kharon as a THF/DNC. And putting together a seal party is really not that difficult.
So no then, Abyssea content can't really be skipped regardless of jobs. The thing is, BST can solo many seal NMs, and so can DNC. RDM/NIN might even have a shot at some of them. I've solo'd Kharon as a THF/DNC. And putting together a seal party is really not that difficult.
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kimjongil76 wrote:
Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
kimjongil76 wrote:
Any scholar needs +2 hands and head from abby. You can skip the rest.
I'd definitely say that the body could be skipped, but the legs and feet are still useful pieces. The legs are great for Mnd based enfeebles where you may need a little bit more M.acc, and the feet should be what you're nuking in with Klimaform up and the same weather, since that's a 10% dmg boost.
I only skipped the legs because he can get the nni legs what are a little better. But i agree feet are nice. The delve body blows schs out of the water. And sch is a demand job for fracture farming.
The problem is showing up to NNI & Delve in Teal gear. Which is what it sounds like you're recommending.
didn't recommend it. The player asked what gear was 100% needed and what gear he could skip and maybe come back to later on to get. Sure a 5/5 empy gear player will look and most likely perform better than someone who doesn't. I don't recommend delve pink party players either.
But he can get a lvl 51 staff off AH, He can dive right into coalition reives and quest to get Bayld to buy the body. He can AoE regen V and haste, erease his party I delve plazma farms if he has the head and hands.
My typicail setups for plaza farming are P1: Pld Pld WHM WHM Thf Thf P2: DD DD DD DD BRD SCh P3 DD DD DD DD brd SCH. The schs are the most bored people in the event as long as most DD gather together and plds hold NM's regen V is all you need to do. From here he can buy the body and staff from plazma after he gets KI's.
If he was going to go for one pair of legs truly worth while I would recommend AF2+2. The extra 30's for sch two hour is very nice. This can help in Delve KI farming as you can get off two embravas per party with them. Or Kaustra burn many NM's later in Abby.
But anyway I hope you come back to the game,
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