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Starbreezy: Tax'et KI Party Looking for Members Bard Corsair White Mage and DD with Delve Weapons

I mentioned that it doesn't make sense. Tax'et drops the KI for most of your heavy DD weapons (GS, H2H, Scyth, GKT) and as such any DD that needed the KI wouldn't have the weapon to begin with and any DD that had their weapons would already have the KI. Your pretty much limiting your DD selection to WARs and DRG's at that point in time.

It just makes absolutely no sense...

I am so excited to get those H2H and the alternator for my terrible pup - not for parties really, but so I can solo/lowman stuff. It will be fun as heck. My pup still needs a stupid amount of work before I can play with other people on it other than in exp, but having access to a nice weapon makes me excited.

I can't speak for NMs too much, but for farming they are generally not well received. The event is all about dealing damage, something neither excels at.

RUN is great for reducing magic damage, but that's an unnecessary ability when it comes to farming. The job does use a Greatsword, so it will have Resolution, but the job does not boast the same attack power as a DRK or even WAR, so the overall damage ends up being very mediocre. Lunge and enspells are great, but they're hardly enough to close the gap.

GEO is actually decent for farming and while I don't think the tide will turn in its favor, SE is making some good adjustments. Their geo/indi spells cover melee buffs, mage buffs, and enfeebles. The job does have a focus in magic damage, but right now, a good melee will destroy any magic user in overall damage. GEO heavily relies on its sub right now since it has no self-protection (stoneskin, sleep, etc.) and is missing the Cure line of spells. In the case of GEO, the job can at least cover some of the desired roles when farming, but other jobs do it better, so GEO is usually overlooked.

These comments assume you're aiming for the best possible setup.

For NMs, both have their place, but again, they're also unnecessary. The only exception being the Naakuals. I hear GEO is great for these. RUN tends to be less desired since its magic reduction generally does not make up for the disparity in overall damage.

Edited, Jun 9th 2013 11:00am by xypin

Only alliance leader needs ki to start delve, you dont need it to enter it.

It is unrealistic to fight the field NM for drops. You are correct about the direct drops, but wamoura and gnat share the ki that lets you purchase the weapon drops from both NMs.

I can't see how GEO would be useful for any activity that requires you to move around. You would have to base your camp around the luopan or be stuck with one Indi spell.

As long as we're talking about possibilities, it's also quite possible to be an over the top drama llama that projects their long lost feelings of single player rpg's onto the MMO genre. That's at least the major possibility I took away from the post, not necessarily that they had poor relationships with rl brothers or sisters.

I honestly feel delve has the potential to really level the playing field, as long as people are willing to do what folks have always had to do if they don't have a group of people who will carry them through content - level up an in demand job to get a toehold.

My gear is not fantastic. Even though I have put effort into it, my BRD could use a lot of work, frankly. But even though I still need better gear etc. I am still way more useful than a DD that doesn't have a strong weapon, and between that and supply/demand of DDs vs support - I'm actually doing the content now. I've got the KI for all heavy DD weapons and 20K worth of plasm after 2 days actually doing the content.

Was some of that luck? For sure. Was some of that people giving me a break? Yep, I've never played BRD super seriously because, frankly this is the first time it's been an demand job since I started playing. I basically only used it for lolmagicprocs when doing LS dynamis win/farms and for running quests.

BLU was actually more in demand for voidwatch and I preferred going on that because the procs are easier to hit and that's all you have to focus on really. So, I there is a little learning curve there - but I think I'm doing all right. There is room for improvement, but I know I've been putting the effort in to playing well.

That said, I can see why people would rather play a DD. I am sure there is more to it than I know because I've never played a heavy DD, but it does seem like there is a lot less to pay attention to. As BRD I need to buff, sometimes pull, crowd control, and help with healing and status ailments when necessary. That's a lot of close attention and room for error. So there is a reason why DD is more popular than support... probably cause SMASH HULK BOOM is fun too.

The function of the DD is to deal damage. If you aren't doing that, you aren't really doing much. Are there good bards and bad bards and better bards? Yes, of course. Obviously if someone has relic/empy I am not going to be shocked when they get an invite over me, just like a DD shouldn't be shocked if a DD with a vastly superior weapon gets an invite over them.

Now why do I think that this content will help? Well, because what would have previously taken me months to do and required people to help me for inferior rewards (get a high level, smash hulk boom weapon) - well if I play a couple nights this week I could get a base weapon that shames many RME.

And unlike RME, where only 1 person in a group gets to make progress on their weapon at once - everyone gets rewarded for participating. In my opinion that's vastly better. Will people continue to be gear snobs? Sure, but greater availability of delve weapons will make a lot of other content (meebles, NNI, even Skirmish) way easier to farm in low-man groups, bringing down even more barriers for people.



Edited, Jun 9th 2013 7:17pm by Olorinus

Your post is exactly what I meant when I made my point somewhere earlier in the depths of this thread that the "divide" between casuals and elitists is smaller than it's ever been if you take a certain perspective. Prior to Delve, the "divide" was weeks or months of farming for a casual to get an RME. Post-Delve, the "divide" is a KI from a 20 minute fight and 5-6 plasma farms at 45 minutes each to get 30,000 Plasma and the Delve weapon of choice. Sure, you have to deal with forming your own groups or getting into other groups with the elitist paradox of "need Delve wep to get Delve wep", but nobody can seriously argue that the time it takes to do that makes it more time-consuming than obtaining your corresponding RME weapon.

Moreover, no LS is needed for the above, although one would still need a good group for Delve Naakuals, Legion (for those few remaining good pieces), and perhaps Odin v.2 and a smattering of older events with a couple pieces of useful gear that you can't 2- or 3-man..



Edited, Jun 10th 2013 11:16am by Poltergeist27

I only have a low lvl SAM and wish to return to the game. But this thread is making me wonder about that. I don't have any good items or anything but was in a fun linkshell before. Been too long to remember what server or name of linkshell though.

Edited, Jun 11th 2013 3:02am by SovietVekkuza

If you had fun before, nothing has changed since the expansion (don't know how long you've been gone). If anything there is a lot more stuff to be done lowman and in small groups than there ever was. When it comes to endgame, you'll have a lot of stuff you'll want to get done before you think of hitting delve. First of all, find a linkshell. Second of all, finish getting your levels, then get some basic gear.

Then, maybe you could start to worry about Delve.

But if you've been gone for years the game is a lot easier to get into and less elitist than it ever was. The biggest difference is that now so many more people are into endgame (as a percentage of the population of the game) it is easy for folks to feel left out of the loop. Also, this game still requires teamwork for a lot of things. If you don't have friends/linkshell that can be pretty daunting. But get a few friends together and work on taking down the beasts of abyssea - you'll be having a lot of fun. And before you know it, you'll feel confident enough to do some of the newer content too

Eh, I think they've been moving more toward the trend for at least the last 2-3 years. Since Abyssea's twilight, they have consistently been adding 18+ content (Voidwatch, Legion, Odin v.2, now Delve). Sure, they added NNI, Neo-Salvage, and Meebles but if anything they've gone down parallel tracks instead of "completely mov[ing] away" from the trend as your post stated.

(Neo-Limbus and ADL sort of straddle both trends; LS's can do the content with 18+ and obtain more rewards, but 7-8-man groups can eke through the content.)

Skirmish rewards are still pretty nice. Just cause "the best" is currently only available if you get a KI (which generally requires a large group) doesn't mean everything else is utterly worthless.

Also you CAN farm plasm in smaller groups, it just wouldn't be as efficient.

Also, you are invalidating your own point. At least half of current content is still small group content, having one new event that encourages large groups and cohesive linkshells again is not utterly unreasonable.

As someone who had been feeling really crummy about XI before finding a new LS (which seems to have come about in response to Delve) I couldn't be happier that SE is evening out the score a bit - especially with an event that has a reward system that matches the number of people you need at the event (as in, rewards for everyone mean there is no incentive to exclude people)

Besides they specifically said the next few updates would be focussed on quality of life for small groups and soloers.

"Pick me for the Contest Vlor!"

Edited, Jun 11th 2013 2:35pm by Olorinus

To jump from the plethora of events that was available to just Delve was a mistake. Don't get me wrong, Delve isn't a bad system but having taken the focus off 18 man events as necessary - it seems a bit counterintuitive to kill off all other events in favour of an 18 man... I took a long break last year but came back and managed to complete my NNI gear collection. I have some Salvage v2 gear. A lot of which has been obsoleted by Delve gear. They utterly ran riot over R/E/M weapons and whilst there has been some reassurance, they haven't yet implemented the updates. I have a friend with a 99 UKON who can't get into Delve alliances in his own linkshell... mostly because he can't get the KI to get the GA and they have a Sea of DDs with Delve weaponry.

Why did they make Skirmish relatively expensive and then crap all over it within weeks by dropping Delve into the mix? If you can jump straight to a Delve weapon why bother with Skirmish?

I like the reward system in Delve, I think it's a far better loot distribution system than we've seen in for example Logwatch however killing off every low man/small group event in the process was a big mistake. Especially as they did their best to kill the big linkshells with Abyssea. There should be a mix of events ingame... not just one.