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Thanks! That helps to know.

To enter delve, yeah you need a wildskeeper KI. Just put in your shout you need someone to take you in. Did the same thing w/ VW until I was able to pop my own Kaggens. Enough people have the KI that it shouldn't be hard to fins someone.

I was wondering that, someone was shouting for a brd for a plasm farming party but I was like, can I even get plasm... nevermind that I don't even know how to get to these places...

Ok last question (for now) do I need other KI (like logging for example) to be able to get to the zones? Do alliances usually group up then fight their way through rieves on the way? Is it reasonable to get to the zones on your own without the alliance (like will people expect me to have a warp?)

People will expect two things:
Appropriate Warps
Appropriate KIs


For farming:
You only need to be in the zone, not at the fracture (unless you're leader), so having the Frontier Station warp is enough. You'll be pulled in when the leader enters.

For outside NMs:
People will generally expect that you have all warp locations for Morimar. I believe all locations in Foret can be reached with KIs, so warps are not necessary, but are easy to obtain.
Not all warp locations will be up, and in that case, the group will tear down reives (usually).
The logging-type KI in Morimar is easy to obtain, but it's unlikely you'll be expected to have it.
You will be expected to have the Watercrafting KIs in Foret.

Obtaining warps:
Previously, there were several groups going around clearing reives in order to farm Bayld, so it should be possible to reach warps with some patience. In Morimar, a friend with tractor and raise will make things easier. I think all of the warps in Foret can be reached with Watercrafting.

You should do the Marble Nugget quest in Morimar by the NPC next to the Fronteir Station. This will give you the ability to crush rocks in Morimar Reives - not that useful on Bard but it's a very easy quest you could do while waiting for shouts and you may eventually need it if you go on a DD job. I would also recommend the Water navigation in Foret so that when it comes time to go there you can fully navigate that place.

Calcifying Mist spam doesn't give a **** about your buffs D:

Anyone who it doesn't outright kill, it'll slow them to molasses thanks to the unremovable gradual petrify (which also is gradual slow + gradual weight, mind you)

But yes, enspelling the crap out of Kurma ought to work too, as long as you actually do bring enough nukers to take advantage of it. I still think Kurma is *by far* preferable to the snake.

The petrify effect isn't a factor if your WHM's are /SCH. He doesn't have that much HP and isn't nearly as defensive as the turtle, hit him hard and fast and he'll fall down. Things will only get dangerous if the fight starts to drag out and your WHM's start running out of accession and Blind starts getting half resists with ES. If that takes place then your DD's aren't powerful enough or your support isn't focused enough.

Don't worry about nukers on the turtle, having a few is nice but not a big deal as the melee damage will end up out doing them. Cap enspell is +30 per hit, each hit raises the damage multipler by 0.1. MNK's hit REALLY fast, having two or three of them pounding on the turtle will raise the multiplier to obscene levels. That 30 per hit starts to become 90 - 120 - 150 and if they hit Formless Strikes it really sky rockets. It gets reset every time the turtle use's tortoise song. and it WILL use that move often. Your only hope is to be hitting so fast that even after it resets the multiplier you are forcing it to skyrocket again quickly. Our enspell spam run worked so much better then when we tried with five BLMs. Next time I'm gonna try RUN out and see what I can do with Lunge and Herc Slash, though I suspect BLU might be a better option.

Huuuuuuge part of what makes that move a pain in the *** and a big hindrance for melee performance, aside from the fact that it rather hurts (usually saw it doing 600-800 AoE). I don't get why it's that way either; it's not like we're forced to let doom kill us...

After playing so many other games, reading people's theories and gear requirements to grind regular mobs sounds really funny.

The thing is, we're not just talking about 'regular mobs.' This what we've got as our only current end game event, and until there becomes something else to move on to and start grinding, all the top tier players will be focusing on this.

You're seriously saying that no other game has players that require top notch gear to participate with them in the most difficult content in the game?

Edit ->

Really, it's a problem of the grouping mechanic. On my server, when I'm online I usually see only the same 3-5 people/groups shouting for delve members. They've already got their friends, and they know who they like to play with, so it's very difficult for players that they're not familiar with to get involved. When 455 people are competing for 4 party spaces, it's easy to be very picky about who you bring on some jobs.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 3:45pm by DomfranciscoOfIfrit

That's kind of what I'm saying. I'm not putting the game down, I played FFXI for many years and I love it. It's just that this whole discussion reminded me of how overly complicated trash mobs were and now seems silly. I used to have 3 different sets of gear to macro in and out for tp building, ws'ing, survival, etc. Just for a damn merit group. I just think it's goofy these days to spend so much time trippin' on it even from a game development standpoint.

Sounds pretty simple.

Select party leaders who are support jobs. Party leaders manage their own party, not unlike a merit party. Leaders communicate if they need another party's help.