Delve is ruining friendships and relationships...Follow

Not always true. As a RDM, I get asked if I'm maxed enfeebling. Of course there is no way of them knowing, but I'm also not close enough to fake the funk. Then again, I haven't had any issues before.

People have always been that way. Back in the day, everyone had to be /nin to do ODS or all BLM. I would pick the first 5 people and win every time. This is why I'm taking time out to do stuff while there are so many people doing this. Once time passed, it's going to be like Abyssea, NIN, WHM, BRD/BLM and BLU only.... Get it now while you can. I am surprised that it min/maxed so fast though.

Having been on the back end of an alliance that is being built from a core LS group, I can say it does happen, just not on an intra-run basis. There's a lot of (DD) players that have not pulled their weight in past runs and the person building the alliance simply ignores their tells now.

Can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or not. This type of behavior has been around MMOs longer than XI has.

While leveling my PLD ages ago I had several instances where I pleaded with people to invite me to their groups and at least get some exp gain. I explained to them that they could boot me the moment their gdlk Ochuido/Juji NIN popped, but was still denied. The fact, sad as it was, was that people would rather sit idle for several hours seeking elite groups rather than gain 'sub-optimal' experience points. Not sure if it was ignorance, selfishness, greed or a combination of any or all of them but it was a common occurrence that I just grew to accept.

I don't think it's possible to increase the common sense and maturity level of a community simply by the way content is designed, implemented or adjusted

There's no 100% fix, but there are ways to make the community more tolerant to different set ups and being able to play with people who are not perfectly geared. That part falls on both job design/balance as well as content design.

Biggest thing would be to provide a good number of different camps with mobs that are varied. Give them characteristics that allow other jobs to be more optimal to take them down. This goes for things like skirmish and even nq mobs in stuff like fractures. Give the optimal zerg setup a straight up fight with lots of HP, BLMs/Ranged attackers a place to excel, and the same with 1 handed evasive jobs. IMO, this kind of variety would be awesome in a system like skirmish, which is, sadly, so easy it doesn't matter what kind of setup you bring, really.

At least at 75 cap, the shunned BLMs and PUPs had camps where they could go solo or lowman for exp.



Like Fynlar said, there's absolutely nothing wrong here. I would be asking the same. Everyone knows which one of their DDs is more geared up or you at least feel more comfortable with. Maybe you have a fully decked out WAR, with a variety of sets to use like Haste/Acc/PDT/MDT/Hybrid/WS and your MNK just has TP/WS?

Hell, if nothing else, at least you got to choose. What's the problem there?

Edited, May 26th 2013 9:28am by SFChakan

Oddly enough, I think I see how he interpreted this...Since it only said you best job war or mnk? I think he took it as, all you have as your best jobs are war or mnk, nothing else!? I know it's far fetched, but I think that's what BrownDuck got from that. That's what I get for being french, poor reading comprehension skills!

Edited, May 26th 2013 2:04pm by Montsegurnephcreep

SE has previously prevented this by putting in annoying roadblocks to content. Either clear a certain mission, or farm up a certain amount of stuff in older content, in order to force people to assist others in the profession of lower content. Since so few people could jump immediately into the new endgame, they'd be a bit more willing to help others past the road blocks.

The issue with Delve was that everyone already at endgame could access it immediately, so they had no real reason to stop and give a hand up to those who weren't quite as advanced.

I thought this the original idea behind NNI. Use floor 60 gear so you can hit 80. Then use 80 gear to hit 100. But I think we all saw that people felt it should have been 100 from the start, and going for anything less wasn't worth the time.

The job system in FFXI already encourages lopsided group comps. Don't get me wrong because I like the job system, but it does create issues. With the way the jobs work on their own and together(meta I guess), there are two main issues caused; over-specialization or lack of similar roles.



One of the things that WoW does right is keeps it consistent. Their currency is spread nearly evenly across the span of their content. It's worth your time to run instances even if you don't need gear because you can convert currency to boost your PvP power. If you're sick of raiding or running instances but you still need PvE upgrades, you can still take a break and participate in PvP because again, you can convert currency. Don't need PvP or PvE gear? Use currency to buy items which can be traded or sold. It's not perfect, but it works well.

What is the motivation to go to skirmish if there is other content that renders it obsolete? Sure there may be people who just do it because they enjoy it, but NNI and salvage is already recycled content and that only goes so far. In a perfect world we all help each other out and we'd gladly clear that VNM for the zillionth time to help someone farm their upgrades, but allowing for some exchange at least rewards everyone.

I'm sure that there will be many people who want to upgrade their 85 or 90 empyreans to 99, but most people are sick of VNM already. The newer players and those who hadn't already finished before the expansion are screwed. Apply the lockout to Delve but allow players to trade plates, dross or cinder for plasm. Those who really want to work on upgrading empyreans will now have a better shot at getting a group to help them farm because those locked out of Delve have a chance at increasing their plasm in another way.

I don't always need the best option SE, but it would be nice if there were several viable alternatives

I'm under the impression that SE thinks they need to punish us in order for us to feel like we accomplished something. It's almost as if they feel we'd be let down if we could just say "I really enjoyed this AND I got a nifty item to boot".

There's no real indicator of what your actual level is. Once you have reached level 99 there's no way of telling what your "actual" level is. WoW and probably every other MMORPG out there uses item levels so you have sort of an idea of where to go after you've acheived a certain item level. There's no such thing in FFXI, certain important equipment that's level 75 can still be incredibly useful at 99 while other are still useful equipment to swap in. Would two players that use the same item level of equipment have the same actual item level if one of them used gear swaps to perform better?

Another thing that's different is that once you've geared up a job on WoW you go back and redo the content with another job if you want to gear it up, in FFXI however you only have to do it once and never look back because of you can just use that job to equip another one.

I realize this isn't current page material to respond to, but my experiences in XI have led me to recognize that there isn't a single job that has consistently been offered an instantaneous invite to any and every event. I feel like this needs to be emphasized a little more, because people not having JOBX or /SUBY leveled in a game environment that favors that job or job combination leads them to believe that EVERYONE IS OUT TO GET THEM, or something equally absurd, and it's simply not true.

I was having a discussion in a PUG about this very thing earlier. After I asked if my Corsair was worth finishing from 93 these days, several people brought up COR and BRD -always- being useful. I really have to say, people have terrible short-term memories when it comes to this game, it seems. Sure, there were Greater Colibri meripos, then there was Wildfire, and most recently the Miser's Roll thing in Voidwatch (which I totally missed out on due to a break I took owing to the miserable content that Voidwatch had to offer D:), but whenever any of those things fell out of favor strategically, or were made obsolete by a change in content, the job languished.

The exact same thing is true of so many other jobs: Bard fell out of favor after holding a cherished position in every event, even though it would have practically guaranteed you a position in a linkshell regardless of other qualifications before Abyssea. Dark Knight, Warrior, Ranger, and Dragoon have all had their moments in the sun, and their times in shadow. Ask any Apocalypse owner when Torcleaver was amazing, any Great Axe Warrior back in the days of Rampage spam, any Ranger who leveled the job hoping to luxuriate in an arrowburn before those were nerfed, or any Dragoon that played the job after Penta Thrust was nerfed. Nobody is safe. I already know that somebody is going to interject about Samurai, but anybody who is being honest with themselves knows that the moment Atma of the Razed Ruins came out, Samurai was relegated to a second-class status.

While there will always be favored jobs, and favored strategies, I don't think I'll ever understand the hyperbolic way that players approach things. And yes, I recognize the irony of my own use of hyperbole; I'm just trying to make a point.

tldr; Find a job you enjoy, play it as much as you can, and accept that sometimes you have to suck it up and main heal a party to get your shiny sword.