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You guys are deluded. People in AF3+1 and Curor gear are not trying to jump straight into Delve. People who are fully prepared and capable to do it effectively are being turned away because they don't yet have a Delve weapon. If you're going to argue then at least stay on the same subject.

That's not at all common. I've never seen it, even in runs with no special requirements. Pointing out aberrations does not a good argument make.

Interestingly enough, the only people I see who are trying to do Delve with horrible gear are WHMs and BRDs.

Also, ally leaders are sharper than you give them credit for. If somebody isn't pulling his weight, they will be identified and weeded out.

I'm inclined to agree with this, I haven't seen a single DD so bad that they actually stand out, regardless of what weapon they have.

However almost every time that I end up farming on COR or SCH, I end up being the main puller/sleeper, because the Teal BRD that's pulling/sleeping literally cannot land lullaby to save his life.

People might be trying to jump straight into Delve, but the majority are them are doing it on the auto-invite jobs, like BRD or WHM.

Edited, Jul 21st 2019 2:49am by KodoReturns

Just because you have experienced it, doesn't mean it is happening everywhere.



And that's a different discussion than the one I was having.



I think you just fell off the rails completely.



Now now! You're supposed to be miserable so the shouter doesn't have to be! You know how FFXI works!

Edited, May 23rd 2013 3:55pm by Camiie

I was always talking about the "Delve DD Only" shouts keeping out players who are perfectly well geared enough to farm Plasm. Then for some reason you and others decided to make it about people coming to farm wearing level 78 gear and using bottom of the barrel AH weapons. My argument was always about perfectly capable people being turned away. Yours is something totally different.

Or, you know, those people just collected the +2 items and bought NNI wins after AFKing their character to 99, so they have the skills of a lvl 30 and can't hit mobs anywhere.

Do you really have a 99 Ukon? Your guildwork profile only has you @85

Edited, May 23rd 2013 5:38pm by TikkaofLakshmi

I enjoyed this quote.

I have personally yet to see a group leader that did this, most likely because it means more people to replace -> more time spent shouting in town for replacements -> more time for other people to be all like "omgz i has ls event in 10 mins CYA" and for the group to crumble.

Replacements for crappy DDs for things like plasm parties can be easily found and replaced, but if it's more of a "premium" job like PLD or BRD, or if it's for a field NM instead of a plasm run, it's somewhat of a different story

Edited, May 23rd 2013 8:21pm by Fynlar

I prefaced that quote with a comment about gimp BRDs. When it comes to premium jobs, anything goes. Unless it's PLD, because no Aegis/Ochain is usually insta-reject.

That quote was specifically talking about DDs, because they're very replaceable if need be. One shout for 17/18 Delve PT missing 1 DD is likely to generate many /tells.

FIrst Ceizak has wild evade on mobs that goes crazy every three minutes. Even with +69 acc on gear, aggressor, focus, and sole sushi +1. I along with everyone else will still miss; frequently. That slows down the kill rate. Not to forget that diremites also tend to slowga people more often than erase/haste can be cast. The most I've seen is 3k on an average mob run. The only reasons people are (on our server) going there is that is realy close to town, and nobody needs to worry about not having warp access to Morimar. The rocks are easily party farmed on rabits and butterflies. At best, those who "really" need Plasm and want to do it cheaply, will slow ball it unless they can get into a Morimar Delve.

Speaking about Morimar if your getting less than 5k on a run then somthing is wrong. The average on a weak run is 5K. A good run will average 6k to just over 7k on a good run. The mobs there hit hard and hit even harder every three minutes. Their Evade is not as high as Ceizak so DD's even with decent Acc + will hit more often and can use other foods to boost dmg or tp gain. WIth that said the kill rate is much faster and more people can buy their wepons after 4 to 6 runs there. Versus the 10 needed to hit 30k in Ceizak. That is why the stone prices between the two are so wide, and why more people want to farm Morimar than in Ceizak. Even I'll choose Morimar over Ceizek for that reason. HOWEVER it can go very wrong.

You also don't need Delve wepons for Delve that's like asking for people to have their relec's in-order to farm Dynamis for relec's and currency. You'll need higher dmg gear and more Acc if your pals dont have any lv99 R/M/E +2 or D gear. Farm Peacekeeper gear and fight Naakuls for their drops. If you can, do Skirmish runs for wepons and obsidian. As I was told, there's not much difference between most maxed Delve and maxed Skirmish wepons besides the customization.

Yup. I haven't updated or otherwise kept guildwork active since first getting 85 arma and ukon to show up on ffxiah.