Delve is ruining friendships and relationships...Follow

Before I tear into the real reason I am replying...
CoP got beaten to death with the nerf bat for the reason that it is old as hell content, and was the last content that could not be solo'd once the cap blew off. They had little choice but to lift the cap, or this content would have totally died at some point.

Now...

This pisses me off.

This is the reason, the purpose, and the message of this thread in direct, horrible consequences. It says nothing of the members of the LS. This is what happens. This is what always happens. When content is walled off and held hostage by the elites of the server, people need to make choices like this. They should not. Ever. This is why we had the huge gap I've talked about. This is why people quit. This is the bottom line on why content like this destroys the community.

Players know.

They know that if they wait, they may never, ever get a second chance. So they have a choice: Stay with friends and forever pine for something they will never have, and eventually quit when they feel their process is stymied; or jump ship, join the elitists, lose their old friends and make new "friends" to get what you need. That is a horrible, nauseating choice. I watch friends do both. I watched one of my best friends, Kazi, go into SilentWinds. In the end, before he quit, he was literally hiding in Jeuno. He just wanted to craft in peace, he told me. But his linkshell "friends" would be sending tells the second he was on. If he wanted gear, well he best be a good little soldier and show up to everything they tell him to. However, he couldn't quit the guild because there were still goals he wanted to accomplish. In the end, he just vanished. Never logged on again.

So **** you both with your "it says more about the ls" ********* It's not an easy choice. It's one we've always been forced to make, and I've watched it destroy enough friendships, and lost enough friends to it. If SE wouldn't pull this goddamn ********* these choices would never, ever have to be made!

That story about the LS is just horrible. I would hope people realize that the best linkshells don't have draconian rules about keeping pearl equipped at all times. I tend to find the LS's with the most longevity don't have events every single day of the week, don't require people to log on for events over RL, and allow some healthy downtime and/or social pearl equipping.



Edited, May 20th 2013 11:08pm by Poltergeist27

I've got a social shell whose members mostly want a piece of Delve gear, and yet I can't think of any of them that for one second would be tempted into ditching their ls in favor of some other totalitarian Delve ls.

If you have people who are doing this, obviously for them they care more about their gear than they do their friends/ls. Assuming they even saw you as friends at all. There's really nothing else to it. There have been people like this in the game since way before Delve existed, so don't blame the event.

You can drop fodder mobs swiftly in there without Delve weapons. That's just silly.

I dunno, Bernie is pretty rough.

Dividing an already small playerbase into even smaller factions is pretty much the opposite of beneficial and will definitely cut the deal of killing this game off. Yes, we knew it would be aimed at "elite players" and yes none of those "elite players" have a problem with this and what Delve is doing to the general playerbase, but on the right side, it definitely opened more people's eyes up at the state of this game, a lot used to say "The game isn't that great anymore but the community makes it worth playing!"

Guess you can no longer say that.

Edited, May 21st 2013 5:53am by Theonehio

I think perhaps one of the largest reasons for the reason divide is precisely the gap between the elite and casual. A weapon with 5-10 more base dmg with some cool aftermath effect or w/e is elite enough, but not so far beyond what the normal player has access to as to create an impasse.

The delve weapons are ridiculously overpowered and what may have been a gap before is now a monstrous chasm.


Edited, May 21st 2013 9:43am by BrownDuck

As easy as it is to try to blame the weapons, that's not the case. The weapons doesn't turn people into @#%^s. It was bad enough when people's shouts were:

"Doing (Content)! Seekin (insert)! /tell R/M/E only and level please."

Yet no one was calling for change because people were requiring someone have R/M/E only to even do content outside of jobs like WHM and BRD, but even that change now that people want Emp BRDs only. Yet with Delve? People think that is when the gap formed? Oh no, no, no my friend, the gap started right when they tried to retcon Abyssea ruining the game.

The community is creating a larger gap by being, to be blunt, @#%^ing morons about it. Shouting for Delve weapons only? You sure as hell better be inviting people in order to get the weapons and upgrading it, you also better be getting KI kills for them.

Oh, what's that? You choose not to because you already got your sh*t? Well then, guess someone can't say the weapons caused the gap after all.

Edited, May 21st 2013 8:08am by Theonehio

Someone in my Delve group last night suggested that SE make beads a 100% drop off the monster outside if one of the players in alliance has not killed it before. That is an example of a proper incentive that would get people clears.

Did you really think that through? Creating a mule, getting it to Jeuno, getting it Adoulin access, and then running it out to Ceizak, Hennetiel, or Morimar vs. shouting for a warm body?

RIP, Promyvion. There has never been a dungeon as terrifying in FFXI as Promyvion - Holla, and there never will be again.

Honestly, I booted players that simply were not capable of playing this game. Let me use an example.

I was in the dunes as I think a pulling job, maybe a healing one, I can't recall. What I do recall is that we were struggling with finding a tank. Then the party leader says he has a PLD. No one thought to check him... The first mob we just barely live, the PLD never voked once. We all immediately checked him.

PLD/WHM

In the dunes. Before Signet buffs, back in the bad old days. We kindly mentioned that he must have mistakenly taken the wrong sub, and we'd be happy to wait for him to change.

"But," he said, "this is how I am leveling. /whm gives me more MP."

We then tried to explain that, you know, Provoke, kind of essential for a tank at these levels. He refused to listen, so he got booted.

You see, I never had issues if you were struggling to learn your role, or even if you weren't the best at your role. If you were, however, doing something totally, utterly devoid of merit, and refused to listen, then yes, to the curb.