Fyn ranty thread #9001: LiarsFollow

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I disagree with pretty much every post here as a reason to get pissed of and rant about it. The guy probably didnt have any idea what he was talking about. He likely has seen similar shouts and figured thats the way you went about it. Possibly of course. There is a lot of new people coming behind us it seems. I think the announced expansion is helping, as well as the ease of catching up to a 10 year old player base. Thats cool.

But to let it harsh your mellow to the point of ranting about it makes you look like a sack of ****** All of you. Some people don't know what they are doing, don't know where to find help. I mean this is Irony at best if you ask me.

The Circle jerk bagging on a bunch of new folks for needing help, on what seems to be a fairly popular gaming network. You folks crack me up.

Free Rog and all that!

Hypocrites.

Edited, Jan 30th 2013 1:11am by rdmcandie

Wait so you disagree that one should be upset regarding the various topics raised (direct dishonesty, failure to organize, etc)? Or that you can be pissed off, but you shouldn't express that as a topic of discussion with like-minded people on a message board in the form of a "rant" (term used loosely)?

If its the first one then you must be the second coming of the Buddha or Christ-like in your ability to turn the other cheek. Even if the only reason one signs on for a given time is to help as many people as possible, having someone directly lie to you can be infuriating, especially if you're someone who values honesty. After all, its just a game, why you gotta lie to someone to get his/her help? Willful ignorance, such as "I could look this up and be prepared, but WTH I'll just shout and hope I get someone to figure it out for me" mentality is nearly as vexing. These aren't level 10 newbies asking "How do I level/gear", these are people that have gone through at least 9 other limit breaks, including one that nearly requires direct use of a guide site (maybe you solo stumble through LB1-3 or get help, but LB4? good luck without looking it up).

If its the second, I sincerely doubt anyone is actually "ranting". Yes I know the topic said "ranty", but it was pretty well composed. It is perhaps a rehashed topic, but FFXI is 10 years old, all there really is to discuss is rehashed topics, and speculate about Seekers. If one person realizes "Hey, being prepared makes things easier and helps me look better" as a result of the topic, well that's one less person apt to **** off everyone he tries to game with. This might lead to said person becoming more successful at the game, there by enjoying it more and playing longer, as opposed to being blacklisted by the 50-100 people on the server that will actually respond to requests for help with no vested interest, stagnating in the game and quitting. Or it'll do nothing. Shall we shut down the boards then? Guys stop posting and sing Kumbaya. Or better yet, just stop playing FFXI altogether, after all it's just a time waster y'all.

Anyone actually on this site is aware of the existence of FFXI sites which tell you exactly how to prepare for 99% of this game. Anyone who never accesses any external site ever is going to quit this game alone and frustrated. Who can help those who won't help themselves first?

There is a difference between needing help, and failure to help oneself. Needing help is saying "Hey can you help me with this fight?" and being honest if someone questions you about it and/or as upfront as possible ("No I don't have a rarab tail yet" or "Old Rarab Tail? What's that?").

Tl;dr Being an willfully-ignorant, dishonest **** is not a behavior to condone.

Your totally right and wrong, I my self never fail to admit if I dont know what I am doing. 1st time I went on for Void watch I had no clue what I was doing and said in a /t do I need anything. There has been times when I didnt have certain things done and got passed over which I was totally fine about.

Takes a few seconds to say I have no clue in what this is about, I am coming along for the fun or drops etc. Do I need CS's? DO I need Ki's?

Hypcrites?

Well I have never gone along and said "Yes I have all the above *Well actually I dont but lets leech*".

Very big difference between what I have done when I was new to certain things compared to what some people here are talking about.

Pretty sure my little rant had nothing to do with player skill, preparation, or whatever. I just dislike people not being on time, which is basically an extension of failing to keep a promise that ultimately affects others in this case. Now, I'm not gonna sit here and call myself Mother Theresa or some such, but I also have the mind to ask when I'm going to help someone with something I know about precisely where they are in the process. Not doing that and suddenly being surprised is a failure of information gathering on your part. And while I tend not to jump blindly into things I don't know something about, I've found that if I'm met with some rage face, I really don't want to be playing with those people anyway. Indeed, I can't forget everyone's a newbie at some point. Those who willfully ***** about the ignorant while having no motivation to teach get exactly what they deserve. Of course, the MMO genre has no shortage of crotchety old vets who believe certain things should unconditionally be certain ways, typically for the worst of the genre's future.

Me thinks you epitomize that which you accuse others of being.

And the people that got pissed at you probably made rules about more time attending events = extra points to lot stuff too right?

Funny how it's okay for them to want your help (just like what Fyn complained about in OP) but not okay for them to be prepared.

That's the real hyopcrisy and yes that was aimed at you rdmcandie.

Wow you really torched that strawman. Good Job!

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I got nothing against people who want to learn. You know what shows you want to learn? Taking the time to at least glance at what something requires, or being honest that you haven't. At that point, I can choose to help you with what you actually need help with, instead of joining under false pretenses.

Funny thing is, we're not talking about brand new people to the game (where do I level from 10+), nor anyone on this forum. No one here has mentioned anything about "asking questions" or "knowing everything about everything FFXI by rote". (See, this is your strawman)

These are people doing generally higher level events (LB10, VW, Abyssea), who either directly lie to get your help, or lie indirectly by failing to mention that "Hey I'm forming a group for XYZ but I expect someone to hold my hand through it, because I can't be assed to do anything for myself". (Other common gripe is general event tardiness which I notice you've got nothing to say about... you don't wanna play devil's advocate here too?)

As for me, personally, yes there have been times when I've gotten assistance, and hell I'll even go so far as to say I've had my hand held through a few things. Some differences here: I didn't lie that I was prepared when I wasn't, if I didn't know what I was doing I said so, and I didn't imply I knew what I was doing by forming a group for something hoping that someone else will do/have done the learning for me.

If anyone is being berated, it has nothing to do with "10 year standards", and everything to do with "normal standards of human interaction". Ever helped someone move? If someone asks you to help them move, do you expect that they will be ready be moved when you come to help, or would you be totally cool with someone asking you to help them move, then them expecting you to come and pack their house, break down their furniture and hire the moving van. Or if we want to keep it to just "time-wasters" how about you set up a group of friends to have a paintball match on Saturday, then once everyone is gathered and ready to go you say "OK so guys where do I buy a paintball gun and gear?". People who organize events (which is what shouting for group _is_) are expected to be prepared to host said event. People who join an event with a given criteria are expected to meet that criteria (have your paintball gear ready). This is a pretty basic personal interaction thing, and just because you're behind a computer monitor or because its a game doesn't make you less of a **** when you fail at humanness.

Once again, if this thread helps one newbie recognize that being prepared makes people like to group with you, and lying/failing makes people blacklist you, then it's likely done more good then the last 10 "Hey guys what server should I join/how do I level/what's abyssea" threads combined. It's easy to forget that those other 2-18 names in your party list are also people sitting at a computer (just like you!), and not everyone is there to cater to your whims, and let you walk all over them. That's the best lesson anyone can learn by far, and makes this forum far more "noob friendly" than "here let me wiki/repost the answer for you".