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#27 Oct 22 2012 at 10:50 AM Rating: Decent
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For example, why do parties not talk anymore? Why are Linkshells silent, even if the list has a dozen or more people? Why do people charge 10k for a teleport now? Why is it when I ask if someone needs help, whether it be pointedly toward one or a group, or a linkshell, or a friend, help is declined, and nobody else offers? Why is my 33 MNK only a 33 MNK because I have more or less solo levelled from level 1? What happened to EXP parties that don't involve me going to Abyssea or a cave where it is utter chaos and disorginization?


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These are just a few things I have started to wonder. Then I started to really think about it. This game is not what it used to be.


Yes, you're right. The game is not what it used to be.
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#28 Oct 22 2012 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Last night, I was in Valkrum Dunes, just kinda chillin out and setting macros, killing random mobs because they looked at me funny and just being random. I see a group of adventurers killing an NM, and it sparked my immediate interest. Let me go ahead and put a little note in here. I have done zero VW, and don't know or understand the premise behind it, but as with anything else I have not done, I am interested, and when I see a group of people fighting an NM that is basically kicking thier asses, I am always more than willing to help. So, I offer the services of my 99BLM.


See you jumped headlong into something you'd never even heard of. When is that ever a good idea? Once you heard the words "Void watch" why didn't you immediately try to find out what that was? On top of that, what you jumped into is basically the new sky or sea... it's endgame type stuff. Yeah, they shouldn't treat people the way they treated you, but I'm sure you can see it'd be frustrating to have someone volunteer for sky without having sky access. They were wrong to be so rude, but you kinda set yourself up for disaster.

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It has also raised other curious points. For example, why do parties not talk anymore?


In my experience, parties are just as chatty now as they ever were. Some are gabfests, some are silent, and some are in-between.

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Why are Linkshells silent, even if the list has a dozen or more people? Why do people charge 10k for a teleport now? Why is it when I ask if someone needs help, whether it be pointedly toward one or a group, or a linkshell, or a friend, help is declined, and nobody else offers? Why is my 33 MNK only a 33 MNK because I have more or less solo levelled from level 1? What happened to EXP parties that don't involve me going to Abyssea or a cave where it is utter chaos and disorginization?

These are just a few things I have started to wonder. Then I started to really think about it. This game is not what it used to be. Where LS leaders held the members accountable for progression. Where if you asked for help, it was cool, and there was always someone to help. If you asked for help every night, but never offered help, you still got help, but you were made to feel like a ******** for never offering, and eventually removed from your LS because you were a sponge, and good for little else.


Because after all these years SE has broken, crushed, and mutilated our spirits. Many players of all types have been driven off for one reason or another. Those of us who are left are cynical and jaded to varying degrees.
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#29 Oct 22 2012 at 11:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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What's wrong with the game?

Square have lost interest in the it and it's been that way for a few years now, they have a new baby and this one ain't getting any love anymore. The thing that kept people here in the past was that square loved the game and looked after it, the players stuck with it and kept paying for it due to that.


Fair analogy, though their old baby was their big money-maker (biggest moneymaker in SE history, even beating out FFVII) and their new baby is perhaps the biggest money-pit in SE history. They have their priorities all backwards and totally f*ed up the whole process. FFXI was getting phoned in effectively since 2008 (signs of it since 2007), with 1 year of a good volume of updates (2010) since. The big problem is 2011 & 2012 have been very deVoid of content (Devoidwatch- watch a game with very little content added to it). Seekers of Adoulin is the right idea and right direction. I just hope the dev team is being given enough funding that it has around the same content overall as ToAU or CoP and enough interesting stuff in the 1st update to please people and draw them in/draw them back in. Just don't expect your Geomancer AF til the 2nd update. It's always been that way with expansion jobs.

I think a key juncture is when FFXIV is re-released. If it has a reception anywhere between complete flop and not terrible but that sub rate isn't going to pay off all the costs, I would think they would recommit to FFXI. I still fear FFXI crew have been pulled away and are feverishly being forced to work on FFXIV ARR *not* FFXI: Seekers of Adoulin as they should be. I'm not sure SE really learned from the FFXIV launch disaster and not properly supporting FFXI during FFXIV development. They need to update the game 4 times a year. 3 updates/year never cuts it.
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#30 Oct 22 2012 at 2:34 PM Rating: Default
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not worth it.

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#31 Oct 22 2012 at 2:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I wonder how to close off this account, so I can remove it so I don't have to deal with people like you lol
Why do you have to close your account to make that happen?
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I wonder how to close off this account, so I can remove it so I don't have to deal with people like you lol
Why do you have to close your account to make that happen?


I no longer wish to post here, I don't want this name to exist on these forums or my information, so I want it closed.

thats why.
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#33 Oct 22 2012 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think if you ask a moderator nicely, they can ban you. That's about the same thing.
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#34 Oct 22 2012 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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You know, the worst thing about this all is, you could have easily participated in that Voidwatch battle regardless of your progress or your voidstones. If you do not have voidstones, you yourself will only get 18,000 exp/cruor from that particular battle, and no personal rewards what so ever. But since you were only lending a hand anyhow...

They honestly really were retarded for not letting you help out. So just think of it as having saved yourself the trouble enduring a horrible party(leader).

If he has never done VW(like he said) and was on a job like BLM(like he said) he would not have been much help.
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Don't be so hard on Twistedsoul, you just saw his ally getting their asses handed to them by Ig-Alima. Your question to him about VW was just bad timing. Twistedsoul not a bad guy, but he is a bit of a perfectness and has no mercy on people who don't know their job or what to do.
Watch out for these kind of people, former leaders of big endgame LS's Malekith, Breezyy (to name some on Asura, there are a few more) great at putting runs together, but will eat you alive if you do something wrong or weak at your job.
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#36 Oct 23 2012 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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If he has never done VW(like he said) and was on a job like BLM(like he said) he would not have been much help.


Eh, if people were calling hints, and took 2 mins to tell him where to look up a proc list and which ones he could start with, he probably would have been fine. "Watch which enfeebles you cast, consider what overwrites what." if he has been around any amount of time he'll probably know more about that aspect than a burned up blm of today.

At least if they weren't all blmed up. But really, in VW you can almost always use another blm.

However they were probably jacked anyway if people were quitting the run.

I'm sort of tired of XI at the moment, mostly because my LS is all on breaks. I'd love to do some meeble burrows but, who knows. I'd rather do it with my LS but... no one on anymore. I find PuGs to be stressful because of stuff like what this thread is about. I'm always terrified I'll mess up and make my name mud. Or people start calling people names and getting ridiculous.

It's fine to want to be efficient etc. But stuff happens. I wish people could can the attitude.
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#37 Oct 23 2012 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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You know, the worst thing about this all is, you could have easily participated in that Voidwatch battle regardless of your progress or your voidstones. If you do not have voidstones, you yourself will only get 18,000 exp/cruor from that particular battle, and no personal rewards what so ever. But since you were only lending a hand anyhow...

They honestly really were retarded for not letting you help out. So just think of it as having saved yourself the trouble enduring a horrible party(leader).


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In order to participate in Voidwatch, you must satisfy the following conditions:
Be level 75 or higher.
Possess an Adventurer's Certificate (You Must be Rank 3 or higher from the starting cities.)
Possess any stratum abyssite (initially obtained from a city area Voidwatch Officer).


Since the OP knows little about VW as he stated, its unlikely he would have even had a stratum abyssite. So no he wouldn't have been able to participate. Second BLM relies heavily on VW progress to do well. People may have forgotten, but a blm spamming spells is going to run out of mp fast and without temps he would just be sitting there. He also wouldnt have a list of procs or even know what the procs were.
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Relevant. It is why I quit the game, and also why I resub here and there...the grind for gear/money ruined the game for me, yet it is always nice to return and say hello to friends. Its why I never stopped posting here.

Spent a lot of time with people and despite the directions we went, the new friends we attained, there was always the nod in town, or the wave in the field. Even to people you do not wholly like, I remember helping a Thanthalas(ofGardua) out a few times on Garuda, yet here we spent the better part of 2 years trolling the sh*t out of each other.

Memories is all we get, and to some memories are being the elite job on their server, racing for top levels, and the best gear, to others, it is the adventures they had with those around them. Not always accomplishing something, but having fun nonetheless.

Thats what I think changed in the game, i think the adventure died, after WoTG there really wasn't anything left to explore...abyssea didn't change that, hopefully this new Expo, will rekindle that spark of being an adventurer...hopefully.

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Edited, Oct 23rd 2012 11:52pm by rdmcandie
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#39 Oct 24 2012 at 1:36 AM Rating: Decent
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BGwiki wrote:
In order to participate in Voidwatch, you must satisfy the following conditions:
Be level 75 or higher.
Possess an Adventurer's Certificate (You Must be Rank 3 or higher from the starting cities.)
Possess any stratum abyssite (initially obtained from a city area Voidwatch Officer).


Since the OP knows little about VW as he stated, its unlikely he would have even had a stratum abyssite. So no he wouldn't have been able to participate. Second BLM relies heavily on VW progress to do well. People may have forgotten, but a blm spamming spells is going to run out of mp fast and without temps he would just be sitting there. He also wouldnt have a list of procs or even know what the procs were.


Ah forgot the possessing an abyssite part. Didn't even consider that a person would have never once talked to the npcs, but totally possible. So yeah, then useless.

As for the second part, I agree they wouldn't be a LOT of help, but better than nothing really (if they could participate) - plus, I know, myself, that I use mana powders etc. when I see people around me need mp so, that's not necessarily game breaking. Also who doesn't have some refresh on gear and/or from a sub job?

As for the list of procs, if they had a smart phone or a tablet and could call the BG list up, it's not SO VERY HARD.

Edited, Oct 24th 2012 12:37am by Olorinus
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Don't be so hard on Twistedsoul, you just saw his ally getting their asses handed to them by Ig-Alima. Your question to him about VW was just bad timing. Twistedsoul not a bad guy, but he is a bit of a perfectness and has no mercy on people who don't know their job or what to do.
Watch out for these kind of people, former leaders of big endgame LS's Malekith, Breezyy (to name some on Asura, there are a few more) great at putting runs together, but will eat you alive if you do something wrong or weak at your job.



Laugh at these people, because besides FFXI, they are complete losers.
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Huh, I'm a veritable chatterbox in any given situation. Then again, even if I don't know anyone very well, I'll usually get at least one "I see you post on ZAM a lot" and the conversation can just take off from there.

Mostly those sorts of situations just need an ice breaker. A good joke, one at your own expense, never hurts.



I'm sorry Catwho, but I have to differ with you on this post, for 2 reasons.

#1.) I've posted on this website my in-game name, and been on while you are on, nothing from you. True, maybe your situation was mainly focused on FFXIV and why it wouldn't let anyone log-on, but still, lol. Never have you posted for or against me on this site since I came back after my 3 1/2 year lapse since last posting(which you were posting at the time too).

#2.) Funny thing is?!,.... My wife is actually in your LS on FFXI, no one has even tried to talk to her, let alone you, even when she repeatedly says "Hello, how is everyone doing?" to your shell.

Maybe I'm of a dieing breed, "be kind to me?!, I am kind in return". Idk, FFXI lacks ppl of conviction and curtiousey.
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All this happen long before abyssea. People didn't talk in merit parities and doing so to much would lead right you you being rep with out notice. Killing the same HNM for the 100th time really didn't merit going over the strat for a 100th time. I would say it was worse in the good old days since leveling and meriting was the biggest chore in the game you just couldn't op-out of. If you waited around for 2 to 3 hours plus for a party you wanted to get the most out of that as you could.



Really? When was the "good old days" to you? 2010? Never in any of the bird camps or any other merit pt's back then, did anyone ignore each other, regardless of the topic. The only times I remember people being booted in a merit pt or HNM kill(cuz of chat log), was for excessive spamming of a retarded emote or macro, after being told to please knock it off, cuz it clogged up the chat.

Even back then, those who waited around for a pt for hours on end, were those who were leeches, just like today. Seriously, you don't try to get the "most" out of this game by waiting around for hours on end, either back in 2006 or now. >.>
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Uh, what shell? My linkshell exploded a fiery death a few weeks back and so I technically don't run one any more. Smiley: bah If she's popping into NoSeph, there's a big lsmes message right now that says "VWOOP VWOOP ABANDON SHELL" and I'm going to be dropping the shell for good after this weekend. So of course no one would be answering...

The above post was specifically in reference to parties and alliances, though. If there's at least one name in there I recognize, I'll talk.
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Yes, it is in reference to NoSephiroth. And she was on earlier this week when you were on, while you were all complainig about FFXIV and how it wouldn't let anyone play the game. And she has been in your shell for the past month and change. :P And that wasn't the LS message, lol.

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It was as of yesterday. Smiley: frown

I'm sorry your wife wasn't able to get help from my shell. They are... were.... good people, for the most part. The shell died partly because of my absence, and numerous other factors that don't belong on a public forum. Unfortunately, I'm in graduate school, which is why I stepped down from active leadership over a year ago, because I can no longer devote the time to being in an HNM, let alone running an event shell.

On the other hand, we were an EST based shell, and when Lahurah and I were complaining about getting kicked out of FFXIV, it was 1AM EST. That's way past the normal bedtime of a lot of the group. ****, Lah is usually logged off by 10PM.
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Pics please. I need an excuse for making popcorn.


also Catwho. Question. Did the shell implode yesterday? If so and his wife was on earlier this week that leaves Sunday-Wednesday (or Monday-Wednesday depending on how you view your weeks.) If that was the case and she was being ignored in a then "healthy" shell, I gotta side with the new old guy.

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Even back then, those who waited around for a pt for hours on end, were those who were leeches, just like today. Seriously, you don't try to get the "most" out of this game by waiting around for hours on end, either back in 2006 or now. >.>


Yes, the reason my THF, DRG, PUP, etc all waited for hours for a party was because I am a leech.

So by your logic I'm a leech and that is the reason I couldn't get party invites. So how does your "leech argument" work when my COR, SAM, BRD, etc got party invites even when I was in a party already?
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You don't have to pick sides. Or ****, pick his, I don't care. I'm not in the mood to argue about it.

The decision to nuke it happened on Sunday, but it was mostly cleared out last week and only had a handful of players left who didn't want to abandon others still left in it. Everything's cool now, we're all (mostly) still friends, but it's going to be a long, cold day before I'm anything vaguely leader-related again.
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You don't have to pick sides. Or ****, pick his, I don't care. I'm not in the mood to argue about it.

The decision to nuke it happened on Sunday, but it was mostly cleared out last week and only had a handful of players left who didn't want to abandon others still left in it. Everything's cool now, we're all (mostly) still friends, but it's going to be a long, cold day before I'm anything vaguely leader-related again.


wouldn't it be crazy if he used his wifes account to start the ******** spinning out of control after 3 years of building spite?
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Even back then, those who waited around for a pt for hours on end, were those who were leeches, just like today. Seriously, you don't try to get the "most" out of this game by waiting around for hours on end, either back in 2006 or now. >.>


Yes, the reason my THF, DRG, PUP, etc all waited for hours for a party was because I am a leech.

So by your logic I'm a leech and that is the reason I couldn't get party invites. So how does your "leech argument" work when my COR, SAM, BRD, etc got party invites even when I was in a party already?


Build your own party?

Most of the people who complain about not getting parties are those who never make their own parties, if I wait longer than 10 without seeing a PT shout or an invite, and I actually feel like playing, ill build a PT, if I feel like leeching, ill continue to wait.


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#51Nuhnisgodly, Posted: Nov 21 2012 at 10:51 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Seriously?! You want me to answer that as far as the Drg, Pup, Cor, Sam, Brd goes? As far as your Thf? You really got me there, were you completely undergeared and underleveled? Otherwise, back in 2006-2009 a Thf that wasn't horrible wouldn't recieve anything less then a few pt invites a week, even without a flag being up. >.>
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