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#152 Jun 28 2012 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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All I can really do is just tell them what they're doing wrong, tell them what I'd rather see, and don't do content I don't like.
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All I can really do is just tell them what they're doing wrong, tell them what I'd rather see, and don't do content I don't like.
You could stop giving them money hand over fist.


Which then loses the ability to tell them much else other than having lost faith. Unfortunately, it seems a common Japanese gaming philosophy to disregard the input of fans for the sake of maintaining an artistic vision. And while MMOs are a form of creative expression, they're also more than that.
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All I can really do is just tell them what they're doing wrong, tell them what I'd rather see, and don't do content I don't like.
You could stop giving them money hand over fist.


And thus quitting becomes the alternative to "cheating."
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Look at the Salvage dupers. They were banned for cheating to obtain something which is now largely irrelevant. Why did they cheat? Because they felt the event was unfair in some way and they deserved the gear for having to suffer through such a horrid event and for putting up with all of SE's crap over the years. Sounds familiar.


Almost all the gear from that era is totally irrelevant now, including the gear of those who were not banned. Between people who duped and those that didn't do Salvage, it's not hard to guess which had more fun in Salvage. Ignoring content because it's impossible or the reward/effort ratio is too low makes it so the content may as well not have been added.


What about those like me who did Salvage rather religiously and didn't dupe (and thus can still play the game)? I'd say I'm having more fun than the banned dupers are as far as FFXI is concerned.

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If people are content to do Neo-Nyzul for a year with a ~5% chance of winning and find that fun, then the reward/effort ratio of this event isn't bad for them. Most people aren't like that, though.


See, I think I'm being mistaken for someone who's like that. That couldn't be further from the truth. If it were up to me then entire game would be Abyssea-style. While I don't mind a reasonable challenge, I am not ashamed of easy-mode either.

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I personally wish there was some way for players to make Legion's effort/reward ratio higher. As it stands, I've entered Legion once. Think of the fun I could be having if there was some way to make the event worthwhile. Oh well.


I wish it were better as well. I'd love to have more FUN stuff to do. Ain't nothing I can do to change it though except give SE grief over it.

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People just need to admit the truth. It's all about the gear. This isn't some fight against The Man holding them down in the virtual ghetto. It has nothing to do with fixing a broken UI. They want gear. They don't like how the distribution system works. They cheat the system. It's absolutely nothing more than greed and entitlement.


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First off, it's hard to be greedy in a system that rewards everyone that enters equally. Unless you're relying on the "You're cheating, but you're cheating yourself and are oddly totally fine with it" strained logic, this paragraph is pretty much DOA. Who gets screwed over when someone .dat swaps in NI?


Anyone who doesn't or can't I suppose.

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SE patches the event slower? We seem to be in agreement that that is not the case. People have to suffer the marginally increased performance of their shout Voidwatch party members? That doesn't seem like ******** someone over at all.


And if the membership of that party is down to someone who's willing/able to cheat versus someone who's not then obviously the cheater has a clear advantage. Of course the leader will take the person with superior gear if given the choice. I guess that never happens though, or if it does it's the non-cheater's fault for not cheating to stay ahead or playing on a console.

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Secondly, I guess, gear is the incentive to do every event. People hunt gear and improve their characters because it's fun. Again, comparing it to Legion where there is very little/no gear I want and which relies on an infeasible multi-alliance structure for NA/EU players in this day and age, I wish there were more worthwhile rewards or less effort involved so people would actually do the event. As it is, the effort required is huge (no one wants to go back to big LSs) and the rewards are pretty small (Abjurations that no one can HQ? Mage gear, when Mages are mostly useful in Legion? Why bother?) Furthermore, of the few NA/EU shells large enough to do Legion on my server (two?), I don't think either have won a chamber yet. You wanted elitism? There you have it. If only we could .dat swap bad design away there too.


No gear is worth it if the process to obtain it isn't fun and no event that forces me to alter game mechanics just to have a chance is worth doing IMO.

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Camiie wrote:
All I can really do is just tell them what they're doing wrong, tell them what I'd rather see, and don't do content I don't like.
You could stop giving them money hand over fist.


Then I wouldn't get to do the content I do like. It's too bad individual events aren't a la carte.

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#156 Jun 28 2012 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Which then loses the ability to tell them much else other than having lost faith.
Has your faith paid off yet?
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#158 Jun 28 2012 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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What about those like me who did Salvage rather religiously and didn't dupe (and thus can still play the game)? I'd say I'm having more fun than the banned dupers are as far as FFXI is concerned.


If SE had credit card, billing address, or name banned then you might be correct. They didn't, though, so anyone who wanted to come back after the Salvage bans probably enjoyed Abyssea (and the following quasi-content) just as much as you. I can think of three players that resubscribed literally the day of the Salvage bans using the same credit card, name, and billing address. They've all quit since then, but that was a result of Voidwatch and Tanaka rather than SE doing any kind of follow-up on their bans.

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Who gets screwed over when someone .dat swaps in NI?


Anyone who doesn't or can't I suppose.


I don't get it. .dat swaps are pretty much an essential tool for the event (due to SE's poor design). People that are unwilling or unable to use the tool are certainly a liability for runs, and that's just reality. My group more than doubled our win rate when our non-swapping members quit of their own accord. Is this good design? No. Is SE going to fix it? Probably not. Groups with 3/6 swappers can definitely still win (and I did), so it isn't like this is a total lockout. Static with your friends and make sure that some of them are less morally involved in FFXI than yourself.

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And if the membership of that party is down to someone who's willing/able to cheat versus someone who's not then obviously the cheater has a clear advantage. Of course the leader will take the person with superior gear if given the choice. I guess that never happens though, or if it does it's the non-cheater's fault for not cheating to stay ahead or playing on a console.


Do your voidwatch shouters really scrutinize player's gear sets? As someone who occasionally sets up VW shouts, I really really doubt it.

On my server, the bad shouters shout for R/M/E and the good shouters just keep a list of people not to invite. Personally, when I shout I just ask my LS (like 5 people who also set up Voidwatch shouts) if the person is so bad that we can't accommodate them. Typically I can take about the first 3-4 bad players that respond and try to move them to less essential jobs, but then I get more picky because we need the damage and procs to come from somewhere. Not to mention that the difference between good and bad players is typically much wider than NI gear.

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No gear is worth it if the process to obtain it isn't fun and no event that forces me to alter game mechanics just to have a chance is worth doing IMO.


Okay, but this comes back to the "SE is so incompetent that I'm quitting" response to Neo-NI. I agree that SE is incompetent for releasing this event, but your hands are not tied behind your back. You can fix it. I agree you shouldn't have to, but if you want to keep playing your $13-a-month interactive AIM and have something to do, you might consider looking into it. As detlef points out, Neo-NI is actually pretty fun if you re-balance it in whatever way suits you.

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Byrthnoth wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Camiie wrote:
All I can really do is just tell them what they're doing wrong, tell them what I'd rather see, and don't do content I don't like.
You could stop giving them money hand over fist.


And thus quitting becomes the alternative to "cheating."


No.

Simply not doing the event is the alternative to cheating. If not one single person did Nyzul Isle Uncharted then SE would face up to the fact it's too hard and do something about it.

Also, if Nyzul Isle Uncharted is the only single reason you play the game, then you should probably go ahead and quit as if you're solely logging on just to do that, then the game isn't worth paying for.
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What is the @#%^ing point of cheating in a game like this? The only person you're cheating is yourself.

The game is doing the events to get the stuff. If you cheat you're just giving money to SE not to play the game.

Why don't these people just pay their money then go and play on the test server? Then they could have everything they want without having to do anything for it.


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I'm surprised to see community regulars come here and admit to cheating. And the excuses are not clever or noble, they are the same tired rationalizations used by cheaters since forever. It takes a lifetime to build a reputation and one thoughtless act to destroy it.


How is this a surprise? It's always the most vocal members of the community who are the biggest cheaters. Just look at Blue Gartr, it's the popular "cool" people who openly admit to cheating, LOVE cheating, and lol at peasants who are inferior because they don't cheat, use bots, or buy accounts/gil. Same applies to this forum, most of the "regulars" are cheating whores whining that Nyzul is hardddddd so they're perfectly justified in cheating. Cheaters gonna cheat.


Some of the wisest words ever spoken in these forums in a looong time.

To all the people who hack, cheat, exploit, a big F and U to you all. I really really hope SE bans you all and you never get to see FFXI ever again. I am really tired of these kinds of people that ruin great MMOs and other games. If you don't like the content there in FFXI, don't do it. Simple as that. It is THEIR game, not yours. THEIR rules, not yours. You just pay to play the game as they see fit, like it or not. You did sign up for that in the EULA. You don't like FFXI? Make suggestions and hope they listen and change it. Post on forums. But, please don't cheat. The very same people who hack, bot, etc, also complain about RMTers and such. The hacks you use and make popular give them the very same tools to make your "gaming experience"... lackluster.

Here's hoping that SE decides to make a program that detects these new/old hacks and bans ya. Go play Monopoly by yourself and give yourself every property and reroll the dice until the cows come home.

If I offended anyone... well... I feel this strongly about this topic.
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To all the people who hack, cheat, exploit, a big F and U to you all. I really really hope SE bans you all and you never get to see FFXI ever again. I am really tired of these kinds of people that ruin great MMOs and other games.

They don't ruin the game for you as much as you seem to think. If they do, then it should be very easy to spot them and point them out, no? Aside from very blatant botting (running at flee speed through town, going right through walls in front of you, etc), you'd likely never know that somebody is using a 3rd party tool of some sort. In fact, I'd be willing to bet you've benefited from it in the past without even knowing it. The vast majority of things are harmless to others and will never affect anyone but themselves. That's not to say some aren't clearly affecting others' game play and putting them at a severe disadvantage (such as seeing VNMs, which is back again), and those I do agree that people have a reason to be upset.

If they were to ban everyone that ever broke the tos via hacks cheats and exploits of any sort (this would include unofficial windower), the world of vana'diel would be a very, very lonely place.
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If not one single person did Nyzul Isle Uncharted then SE would face up to the fact it's too hard and do something about it.

Ballista, Brenner, Pankration, Garrison, Expeditionary Force, SCNM, Evolith, ANNM, and Succor to the Sidhe beg to differ. Not that it justifies cheating, but betting on SE facing up to something is...extremely optimistic.
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If not one single person did Nyzul Isle Uncharted then SE would face up to the fact it's too hard and do something about it.

Ballista, Brenner, Pankration, Garrison, Expeditionary Force, SCNM, Evolith, ANNM, and Succor to the Sidhe beg to differ. Not that it justifies cheating, but betting on SE facing up to something is...extremely optimistic.


Most of those are just novelty side games which drop nothing worthwhile.

If no one did an endgame event like Limbus, Salvage, Dynamis or the original Nyzul, SE would make changes.
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Byrthnoth wrote:
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All I can really do is just tell them what they're doing wrong, tell them what I'd rather see, and don't do content I don't like.
You could stop giving them money hand over fist.


And thus quitting becomes the alternative to "cheating."


No.

Simply not doing the event is the alternative to cheating. If not one single person did Nyzul Isle Uncharted then SE would face up to the fact it's too hard and do something about it.

Also, if Nyzul Isle Uncharted is the only single reason you play the game, then you should probably go ahead and quit as if you're solely logging on just to do that, then the game isn't worth paying for.

Considering that there's precious little new content (at least until Adoulin next year), you basically just said the answer is to quit.
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So wtf is 'the oppositions' **** point? Everyone that dat swaps needs to get down on one knee and beg for forgiveness? Everyone agrees this sh*t is a miserable excuse for content. Everyone recognizes SE isn't going to be responsive by any 'reasonable' measure of time or effect. Camp 1 Says @#%^ this. I'm taking sh*t into my own hands because SE has proven useless. Camp 2 is saying no guys! That's BAD try filing a formal complaint instead!
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I don't know wtf the non cheaters are demanding from the cheaters. An apology? Of what value is that on the internet? Fight fir days in a thread until some Just admit it'? There is no justice in that. The event is still in accessible to any but the top. The event will still be reviled and hated. SE will still be unresponsive, but we have a moral victory on Alla gaiz! According to the logic proposed earlier in this thread, everyone ******** about cheaters should stop posting here and go make a stink on the official forums because that's how you enact change, and if SE doesn't dealbwith the evil hackers then you just didn't complain loud enough. So follow your own avice. This whole thread is ridiculous at this point.


I think all we 'demand' is for them to be honest. I actually have more respect for the guy who says "I cheat because I want the gear. No apologies". Don't give excuses to justify why you feel the need the cheat. "The system is too limited. It takes too long. Its too much work". Maybe its just me, but the first group doesn't seem to care whether others cheat or not. But the 2nd group seems to spend an awful lot of time trying to convince others that they should all cheat too.
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Also, if Nyzul Isle Uncharted is the only single reason you play the game, then you should probably go ahead and quit as if you're solely logging on just to do that, then the game isn't worth paying for.

Considering that there's precious little new content (at least until Adoulin next year), you basically just said the answer is to quit.


So you're saying if Nyzul Isle Uncharted was easier you'd log on and do that all day every day and nothing else and that's what people want to do? I find that hard to believe.

For anyone who genuinely logs on solely to do one single event they are probably best quitting or taking a break as the game isn't worth it anymore.
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I actually have more respect for the guy who says "I cheat because I want the gear. No apologies". Don't give excuses to justify why you feel the need the cheat. "The system is too limited. It takes too long. Its too much work". Maybe its just me, but the first group doesn't seem to care whether others cheat or not. But the 2nd group seems to spend an awful lot of time trying to convince others that they should all cheat too.


Exactly.

Give this man a cookie. And not just a normal cookie like a Ginger Cookie but a good one like a Wizard Cookie.
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It's a group event. Either you all agree that come circumvention is allowable and necessary, or you probably just don't do the event. That's why one must be open about what's acceptable to them, and be damned of what others (read; people not doing the event) might call cheating.

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If not one single person did Nyzul Isle Uncharted then SE would face up to the fact it's too hard and do something about it.

Ballista, Brenner, Pankration, Garrison, Expeditionary Force, SCNM, Evolith, ANNM, and Succor to the Sidhe beg to differ. Not that it justifies cheating, but betting on SE facing up to something is...extremely optimistic.


Most of those are just novelty side games which drop nothing worthwhile.

If no one did an endgame event like Limbus, Salvage, Dynamis or the original Nyzul, SE would make changes.


I think WoE is actually evidence of that - they did make a number of changes to it. People still don't do it - but considering it didn't take me too long to shout up some folks interested in it BEFORE they removed medal cooldown and added auto-temps for fluxes, I doubt it would be too hard to get people in there. And now that I see some fairly common drops selling for over 500K it seems semi worth it to do so.
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#170 Jun 29 2012 at 6:01 AM Rating: Good
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I actually have more respect for the guy who says "I cheat because I want the gear. No apologies". Don't give excuses to justify why you feel the need the cheat. "The system is too limited. It takes too long. Its too much work". Maybe its just me, but the first group doesn't seem to care whether others cheat or not. But the 2nd group seems to spend an awful lot of time trying to convince others that they should all cheat too.


Exactly.

Give this man a cookie. And not just a normal cookie like a Ginger Cookie but a good one like a Wizard Cookie.
That's disingenuous. Someone who cheats simply for the gear is going to whether the event is fair or not.

Agree with the methods or don't, the players choosing to cheat in this instance decide to do so because the event is incredibly rigged. The gear is no doubt still a factor, but a minor factor compared to the event itself.
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I actually have more respect for the guy who says "I cheat because I want the gear. No apologies". Don't give excuses to justify why you feel the need the cheat. "The system is too limited. It takes too long. Its too much work". Maybe its just me, but the first group doesn't seem to care whether others cheat or not. But the 2nd group seems to spend an awful lot of time trying to convince others that they should all cheat too.


Exactly.

Give this man a cookie. And not just a normal cookie like a Ginger Cookie but a good one like a Wizard Cookie.
That's disingenuous. Someone who cheats simply for the gear is going to whether the event is fair or not.

Agree with the methods or don't, the players choosing to cheat in this instance decide to do so because the event is incredibly rigged. The gear is no doubt still a factor, but a minor factor compared to the event itself.


What's that got to do with his point? He's pointing out that cheaters not only want to cheat but they spend all their time trying to justify it and make it out to be something it's not and want everyone to respect them for it.

The fact an event is too hard is no excuse to cheat. People have pointed out explicitly - if you want to cheat then do so. Just don't expect decent players to treat it as anything but what it is - cheating.
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You speak as if the act itself precludes any justification thereof; as if there were no difference between theft out of malice and theft out of desperation, no difference between premeditated murder and murder for self defense. There may not be an excuse for cheating, but there is definitely a reason. Their methods may be suspect (I'd suppose a boycott of the event as a more pointed message to the devs), but the reasons still matter, and are not in this case invalidated by resulting methods.

I'm curious what decent players have to do with all this. I consider myself pretty decent, and I couldn't give a **** what they do.
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Agree with the methods or don't, the players choosing to cheat in this instance decide to do so because the event is incredibly rigged. The gear is no doubt still a factor, but a minor factor compared to the event itself.


If there were no gear, or the gear was subpar, no one would bother to cheat. The gear is by far the primary reason. They're not cheating just to take a stand against unreasonably designed content. That's just a justification.
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Agree with the methods or don't, the players choosing to cheat in this instance decide to do so because the event is incredibly rigged. The gear is no doubt still a factor, but a minor factor compared to the event itself.


If there were no gear, or the gear was subpar, no one would bother to cheat. The gear is by far the primary reason. They're not cheating just to take a stand against unreasonably designed content. That's just a justification.

No one would be participating in the event at all if there was no gear to be had. It wouldn't matter how well designed the event was, gear is what motivates players to participate in content. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.
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I'd make a .dat swap for Revitalization Team (MMM) if it made the event worthwhile for people and fixed bad game design. I wouldn't personally do the event (nor would most anyone else), but I wouldn't feel bad about .dat swapping it. Fynlar and one of his friends are the only people I've known who have even attempted the event because the rewards are so atrocious.

I did normal NI for years for gear and for 150,000 tokens. I knew the entire time that it was possible to .dat swap lamps like this and that fillmode was helpful, but I only started even playing with fillmode on the last ~6 tags (and it probably hurt me as much as helped me until I figured out how to stop running into walls). I didn't swap lamps until Neo-NI came out even though I had all the tools to do it and had written a guide on how it was done. If I'm such a vile cheater that's just in it for the gear and the easy-mode button, why didn't I go full-out on old NI? Because it wasn't necessary. The event was fun and I was satisfied with the effort/reward ratio.

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"The fact that an event is tobhard is no excuse to cheat"

Technical complaint: flipping a coin 10 times and landing heads 10 times is not HARD. Luck based events are not hard events. Its not that the event is to difficult. Its that its luck based. Slot machines aren't hard. Lotterys aren't hard. Throwing a football through a hole 1 millimeter larger diameter than the ball is HARD. Hard means there is some skill required that would prevent success you must master (or set of skills, physical or mental).

"Dang another run of 2-3 jumps!" has nothing to do with being hard. No one is saying they cheat because its to HARD. (this also kills that tired argument that cheaters demand hard content just to cheat through it anyway). NI was never HARD. Just excessively luck based.

Stop saying flipping a coin 10times on heads is hard. Flipping a coin is frickin EASY. Justifications or moral stuff or whatever the **** somones angle is, no ones cheating because the event is challenging. Its a stroll through dc mobs and squishy mms. Its running a race in 30 min where the course is either long or short every time you run it without ryme ore reason
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