Nyzul Uncharted: nice gear, cheater!Follow

You could stop giving them money hand over fist.

And thus quitting becomes the alternative to "cheating."

Has your faith paid off yet?

If SE had credit card, billing address, or name banned then you might be correct. They didn't, though, so anyone who wanted to come back after the Salvage bans probably enjoyed Abyssea (and the following quasi-content) just as much as you. I can think of three players that resubscribed literally the day of the Salvage bans using the same credit card, name, and billing address. They've all quit since then, but that was a result of Voidwatch and Tanaka rather than SE doing any kind of follow-up on their bans.



I don't get it. .dat swaps are pretty much an essential tool for the event (due to SE's poor design). People that are unwilling or unable to use the tool are certainly a liability for runs, and that's just reality. My group more than doubled our win rate when our non-swapping members quit of their own accord. Is this good design? No. Is SE going to fix it? Probably not. Groups with 3/6 swappers can definitely still win (and I did), so it isn't like this is a total lockout. Static with your friends and make sure that some of them are less morally involved in FFXI than yourself.



Do your voidwatch shouters really scrutinize player's gear sets? As someone who occasionally sets up VW shouts, I really really doubt it.

On my server, the bad shouters shout for R/M/E and the good shouters just keep a list of people not to invite. Personally, when I shout I just ask my LS (like 5 people who also set up Voidwatch shouts) if the person is so bad that we can't accommodate them. Typically I can take about the first 3-4 bad players that respond and try to move them to less essential jobs, but then I get more picky because we need the damage and procs to come from somewhere. Not to mention that the difference between good and bad players is typically much wider than NI gear.



Okay, but this comes back to the "SE is so incompetent that I'm quitting" response to Neo-NI. I agree that SE is incompetent for releasing this event, but your hands are not tied behind your back. You can fix it. I agree you shouldn't have to, but if you want to keep playing your $13-a-month interactive AIM and have something to do, you might consider looking into it. As detlef points out, Neo-NI is actually pretty fun if you re-balance it in whatever way suits you.

Edited, Jun 28th 2012 4:54pm by Byrthnoth

Some of the wisest words ever spoken in these forums in a looong time.

To all the people who hack, cheat, exploit, a big F and U to you all. I really really hope SE bans you all and you never get to see FFXI ever again. I am really tired of these kinds of people that ruin great MMOs and other games. If you don't like the content there in FFXI, don't do it. Simple as that. It is THEIR game, not yours. THEIR rules, not yours. You just pay to play the game as they see fit, like it or not. You did sign up for that in the EULA. You don't like FFXI? Make suggestions and hope they listen and change it. Post on forums. But, please don't cheat. The very same people who hack, bot, etc, also complain about RMTers and such. The hacks you use and make popular give them the very same tools to make your "gaming experience"... lackluster.

Here's hoping that SE decides to make a program that detects these new/old hacks and bans ya. Go play Monopoly by yourself and give yourself every property and reroll the dice until the cows come home.

If I offended anyone... well... I feel this strongly about this topic.

Ballista, Brenner, Pankration, Garrison, Expeditionary Force, SCNM, Evolith, ANNM, and Succor to the Sidhe beg to differ. Not that it justifies cheating, but betting on SE facing up to something is...extremely optimistic.

Considering that there's precious little new content (at least until Adoulin next year), you basically just said the answer is to quit.

So you're saying if Nyzul Isle Uncharted was easier you'd log on and do that all day every day and nothing else and that's what people want to do? I find that hard to believe.

For anyone who genuinely logs on solely to do one single event they are probably best quitting or taking a break as the game isn't worth it anymore.

It's a group event. Either you all agree that come circumvention is allowable and necessary, or you probably just don't do the event. That's why one must be open about what's acceptable to them, and be damned of what others (read; people not doing the event) might call cheating.

Edited, Jun 28th 2012 7:44pm by Raelix

That's disingenuous. Someone who cheats simply for the gear is going to whether the event is fair or not.

Agree with the methods or don't, the players choosing to cheat in this instance decide to do so because the event is incredibly rigged. The gear is no doubt still a factor, but a minor factor compared to the event itself.

You speak as if the act itself precludes any justification thereof; as if there were no difference between theft out of malice and theft out of desperation, no difference between premeditated murder and murder for self defense. There may not be an excuse for cheating, but there is definitely a reason. Their methods may be suspect (I'd suppose a boycott of the event as a more pointed message to the devs), but the reasons still matter, and are not in this case invalidated by resulting methods.

I'm curious what decent players have to do with all this. I consider myself pretty decent, and I couldn't give a damn what they do.

No one would be participating in the event at all if there was no gear to be had. It wouldn't matter how well designed the event was, gear is what motivates players to participate in content. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.

More fail phone posts.

"The fact that an event is tobhard is no excuse to cheat"

Technical complaint: flipping a coin 10 times and landing heads 10 times is not HARD. Luck based events are not hard events. Its not that the event is to difficult. Its that its luck based. Slot machines aren't hard. Lotterys aren't hard. Throwing a football through a hole 1 millimeter larger diameter than the ball is HARD. Hard means there is some skill required that would prevent success you must master (or set of skills, physical or mental).

"Dang another run of 2-3 jumps!" has nothing to do with being hard. No one is saying they cheat because its to HARD. (this also kills that tired argument that cheaters demand hard content just to cheat through it anyway). NI was never HARD. Just excessively luck based.

Stop saying flipping a coin 10times on heads is hard. Flipping a coin is frickin EASY. Justifications or moral stuff or whatever the hell somones angle is, no ones cheating because the event is challenging. Its a stroll through dc mobs and squishy mms. Its running a race in 30 min where the course is either long or short every time you run it without ryme ore reason
/endrant.