A possible solution to please both sides?Follow

Its rather simple. Mandatory attendance. Just dont make the mandatoryness of it be 95% of events. Make it 60 or whatever floats your boat for the type of linkshell you want to create in regards to 'casualness'. Even in my LS that has a VERRY lax attendance policy, if you just stop showing up regularly, you will get 'demoted' to social status where you loose the ability to lot lewt until you get attendance back up. You post conflicts as they arise so the LS knows.

Just loosen the reigns. There is something between "90% attendence or DAS BOOT!" and some hippy world attendance where "its all good guy!".

Set an attendance. 80, 60, 75% whatever. Then a clause "if you drop below the determined attendance value, you get put on probation/no lotting/social status. When attendance is raised back to the determined amount, you may lot again".

You dont have to kick someone for dropping attendance. Just some level of probationary status till they get back. No need to polarize an LS into HARDCORE OR BUST! or SUPER SOCIAL LS!. Just make the edges less black and white.

There is also a rather interesting thing my LS does to curb skipping and showing up to lot stuff you want and manipulating the system that way. Most of the /lsmes are:

"to be determined" or
"Sat night: Voidwatch, Dynamis, Einherjar, Abyssea, or random zerg mobs"

No body in my LS ever friggin knows what hte next events are until sacs announce it at events. Kinda hard to 'skip' events you dont like and land the ones with your lewt when no one knows WTF event is ever going to be. Intentionally vague LS messages have actually helped curb event hopping.

Hmmmmm....from that thread:



So I guess your claims of "I dont want to force anyone to play my way" was just a line of horsesh*t. If you really believed that, you wouldnt report people for doing FC burns, yet you do. You dont like FC burns for some reason (maybe its not playing the game how YOU think it was intended), so you DO attempt to change their playstyle. This is not against the ToS, but since you are trying to force the GM's to investigate the situation - even unjustly - you are hoping one will slip up and set a precedence. How underhanded.

You went from "moron" to "douche" pretty quickly there, bucko.

By the way, THIS is why people were hostile with you, even though you attempted to be "civil." You are dishonest, and people with half a brain on the internet can smell that from a mile away - people didnt believe you when you said "I am not attempting to change anyone's playstyle" and it turns out, many of our initial assumptions of you (e.g. you WANT to change people's play styles) were correct. As I told you before, dishonesty is tied for the number one reason people get trolled on the internet (the other being general idiocy).

Edited, Sep 30th 2011 3:59pm by ManifestOfKujata

We have evidence of both in equal magnitudes with the person you're referring to.

on =10
"Hey guys, what do you think about my idea of a server with CoP level caps and slow circa-2007 exp/hour?"

Meanwhile on game
"No one liked my idea so I'm going to try to make everyonelses exp slow too."


By the way people have been charging for exp parties for years. You would have known this had you been telling the truth about not quitting/leaving for large periods of time, Prrrsha. Maybe you bought your account, hmmmm? Wouldn't surprise me considering how little you seem to actually know about the game. SMN burn spots were charged for by many people on more servers than we currently have...

Actually, the group I've leeched with is building one of their LS members a relic weapon, and it's a fast way for the shell to earn a million bucks a night.

Edited, Sep 30th 2011 9:13pm by catwho

ITT: We call a GM on someone for making a bad suggestion on the ZAM forums.

There's no way that it could be considered a bannable offense though, and it's been shown in the past that GMs will implement bans when there was no actual offense being made. As shown on the last page of that one topic, the message was clear that as long as the service is being provided that was agreed upon, the action of cleave-burning isn't a bannable offense. Would you consider it a bannable offense for people to sell teleports or retraces to other people? Because I feel that's a closer scenario to selling spots for cleave-burning parties than holding an NM and trying to sell it off.

It's been shown multiple times, even when a SGM is called upon it, that the act of cleave-burning isn't a bannable offense and that selling spots isn't bannable either.

Why would you fell cleave and not charge? I just wouldn't invite you. The whole point of fell cleaving for exp is to charge. You sit there doing nothing, I provide the pulling, healing and damage = net exp for you at an extremely high rate. If you aren't charging, you might as well just not do it since people who FC are already capped anyways.

That's what a "legit" FC is. Otherwise, it's just charity handed to some gimp.



But first you'll need to 3x "Hai guyz shouldn't the developers make me my own special snowflake server where everything is worse..."?

If you can actually find people who want super slow exp and level caps on some irrelevant expansion from 5 years ago, good for you. Hopefully you can so we don't have to see triple posts x10 about whether it's a good idea or not for SE to waste a nano-second of energy creating you your own server for it.






Edited, Sep 30th 2011 11:43pm by TheBarrister

True, I do recall seeing tons of shouts offering money for Wild Card with a 6.