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#52 Dec 18 2010 at 4:06 PM Rating: Default
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Also, it's "Kaolian" by the way.


Geez I've been posting on and off here for years and I never noticed that. Guess it's always just been "Kao".

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=25 was and still is intended as a repository for technical troubleshooting and game improvement knowledge. I've alwasy been very light on the moderation in there specifically because people should see the full gamut of things to try for a various issue, regardless of whether I think that its a stupid idea. Hardly any rating occurs in =25 at all compared to other forums for what thats worth.


Nah, I wasn't saying that support was a ratings circle. Just that there were some prime ******** that drove me away from there and y'all didn't really seem too phased about it. The OOT and Asylum regulars got behind each other and well... you know how it goes when that happens. At the time I was active in there I was actually fixing people's PC's for a living and troubleshooting was pretty much a way of life. When you get harassed for actually trying to provide the best possible advice to people, and attempting to not have people get fed BS, it's time to GTFO and let the poor advice flow freely.
#53 Dec 18 2010 at 4:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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If I was a volunteer admin, Rog's karma would constantly flux from Guru to Sub-Defaulted. Depends on how drunk I am that day.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#54 Dec 18 2010 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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I think chewzer should be a volunteer admin for the next few weeks.
#55 Dec 18 2010 at 5:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think chewzer should be a volunteer admin for the next few weeks.
I'll stock the fridge.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
#56 Dec 19 2010 at 12:26 AM Rating: Good
I did volunteer admin stuff before. It's no picnic. I've actually hesitated to apply for admin positions on ZAM, even the paid ones, because I'm not sure I want to lose this place as a place to just hang out. Vlors is right: your perspective changes tremendously once you go from power user to mod.
#57 Dec 19 2010 at 12:39 AM Rating: Decent
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I did volunteer admin stuff before. It's no picnic. I've actually hesitated to apply for admin positions on ZAM, even the paid ones, because I'm not sure I want to lose this place as a place to just hang out. Vlors is right: your perspective changes tremendously once you go from power user to mod.
Pssh, that's only a problem if you want to be responsible... which is why I support Chewzer in his quest to become a volunteer admin!
#58 Dec 19 2010 at 8:18 AM Rating: Good
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Vlors is right: your perspective changes tremendously once you go from power user to mod.
I'd disagree, but I'm one of those people whose moderation style is somewhere on par with Vlad the Impaler.
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#59 Dec 19 2010 at 9:16 AM Rating: Decent
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When it comes to manpower, the staff is sent where the most people are active. Right now, like it or not, doomed or not, FFXIV has more active users here than FFXI. That means more ad revenue, more premium memberships to support more adminstrative staff.


What happens when the inevitable happens and that forum dies right down? Go back to fully supporting FFXI forum again? What if most of your users moved on due to being treated as if they don't matter.

I don't mind staff being moved over but pretty much everyone? to a game that is in a postion no game has ever recovered from and which is causing massive damage to the company that owns it? Idk I think I would try to support both forums a bit better(especially looking at the writing on the wall in regard FFXIV) than this but i'm sure you think the sheep of =10 will stay no matter what, time will tell I guess. Once people get annoyed enough to try other forums they will probably like it there and getting them back won't be an easy thing. This is what happened with the Zam databses and now very few players bother to use them.
#60 Dec 19 2010 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't you get it? People are SCARED to post, because they KNOW people are sat there waiting to insult and demean them.


If you are scared to post on an internet forum with the power of anonymity on your side, then the problem isn't the forum nor it's moderation. FFS, there are linkshells that make this forum look like a cake walk. Grow a pair or GTFO of the internet.
#61 Dec 19 2010 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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How long have you had the volunteers anyway? How has it been so far?


About 3 or 4 months now. The main issue at the moment is they lack some of the moderation tools that they will ultimatly have. Modifying the forum software to accomodate that will require a database update and some down time though, so thats been on the back burner for a while. Nasically, the volunteer moderators are picked from people who applied for paid positions but were not selected. In theory, when a paid position opens up, the moderator pool would be tapped to fill it before it gets opened up to everyone else.
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#62 Dec 19 2010 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
How long have you had the volunteers anyway? How has it been so far?
About 3 or 4 months now. The main issue at the moment is they lack some of the moderation tools that they will ultimatly have. Modifying the forum software to accomodate that will require a database update and some down time though, so thats been on the back burner for a while. Nasically, the volunteer moderators are picked from people who applied for paid positions but were not selected. In theory, when a paid position opens up, the moderator pool would be tapped to fill it before it gets opened up to everyone else.
Makes sense. Thanks.
#63 Dec 19 2010 at 12:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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When it comes to manpower, the staff is sent where the most people are active. Right now, like it or not, doomed or not, FFXIV has more active users here than FFXI. That means more ad revenue, more premium memberships to support more adminstrative staff.


What happens when the inevitable happens and that forum dies right down? Go back to fully supporting FFXI forum again? What if most of your users moved on due to being treated as if they don't matter.

I don't mind staff being moved over but pretty much everyone? to a game that is in a postion no game has ever recovered from and which is causing massive damage to the company that owns it? Idk I think I would try to support both forums a bit better(especially looking at the writing on the wall in regard FFXIV) than this but i'm sure you think the sheep of =10 will stay no matter what, time will tell I guess. Once people get annoyed enough to try other forums they will probably like it there and getting them back won't be an easy thing. This is what happened with the Zam databses and now very few players bother to use them.


Thats a management decision, but again, they send people where the most users are. That includes the most users browsing the database sites, not just the forum components. The forums are very important, but even at their height of popularity they represent only a fraction of the total users visiting any of the given sites. Without new expansiions and new content, the databases for the established games don't tend to change nearly as much as the building of a new game database entails. If there are things that are being missed or need addressed on the database side, please report them in forum=3 so that we can ensure they are taken care of. Your statement that very few people use the databases however doesn't mesh with the numbers we see activly using the sites.

Its all a balancing act. You can't please all the people any of the time. You are doing good if you can please most of them some of the time. We adjust as we go, try to fix things that are broken, mourn the lost users who can't or won't tolerate the changes we make, and then move on.
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#64 Dec 19 2010 at 2:18 PM Rating: Good
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I'd wager the FFXI databases are used very little in comparison to it's forum activity when you look at the other games. Of course, that's my gut instinct.
#65 Dec 19 2010 at 4:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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ditx wrote:
Don't you get it? People are SCARED to post, because they KNOW people are sat there waiting to insult and demean them.


If you are scared to post on an internet forum with the power of anonymity on your side, then the problem isn't the forum nor it's moderation. FFS, there are linkshells that make this forum look like a cake walk. Grow a pair or GTFO of the internet.


Sometimes I feel like the only reason the Internet ******* Theory thrives is because of mindsets like this. We need to keep in mind that the age of internet users will vary between little kids to the oldest of seniors where there's very rarely any actual barriers present to keep people away from unseemly content. In the case of children, they may not know better, for better or worse, and be conditioned into believing being an asshat in an anonymous environment is A-OK, which could then bleed into other settings. On the senior end, you can mix a bit of "being set in their ways" with techno-inability and basically create a shoddy experience even if they can understand people are "free" to be stupid.

The in-between gets far more fuzzy, and there's no shortage of cyber-bullying horror stories where the same trolls just laugh at the misfortunes families experience and throw out quips like, "DARWINISM!" and proceed to meme into oblivion. The fact one place condones something while another doesn't doesn't mean one is necessarily better than the other, but when you consider many people may chicken out of their behavior when risk is suddenly introduced... well, perhaps we're onto something in regards to rights, wrongs, and moral implications.

"Do unto others as you would have other others do unto you," is an old, but simple philosophy. I wish more would practice it, but it seems the whole, "It's the internet, being a **** is okay!" mantra is being preached more.
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#66 Dec 19 2010 at 4:48 PM Rating: Default
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Wait I am Allowed to be a **** on the internet. GDI ive been doing it wrong all these years.
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#67 Dec 19 2010 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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Sometimes I feel like the only reason the Internet @#%^wad Theory thrives is because of mindsets like this.
Smiley: cool You're obviously a Penny Arcade fan.
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Chew is being a lot more level-headed regarding the whole issue, which is strange because he's probably drunk.
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