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#52 Jun 10 2010 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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- Battery Charge: MP Recovery - Magic Pot

WHAT!?

Well i'd be damned, never thought they'd add it.

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- Animating Wail: AoE Haste

This could either be serious epic win or "meh"...

#53 Jun 10 2010 at 11:31 AM Rating: Good
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We are getting 5 new levels, it is to be expected that all Jobs get something out of this, nothing like 5 grinding 5 more levels for the stats alone.


5 levels is really nothing new or horribly magnificent in the grand scheme of things.

Some jobs have 20-25 levels between getting new job abilities.

Sure the ammount of exp that it takes to get those 5 levels could be be greater than previous larger level gaps but fundamentally it is still nothing new.

Edit: Rumors on BG towards some of the Blu spells. The water spell perhaps being the adamantoise Aqua Breath, and they also have in their video a fire based attack thats thought to perhaps be Lava Spit off Cerberus. Been a while since I've seen either though so can't really say myself.

Would go along with the comments made about unlocking spells off HNM's though.

Edited, Jun 10th 2010 1:35pm by PlanckZero
#54 Jun 10 2010 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Tatham wrote:
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- Battery Charge: MP Recovery - Magic Pot

WHAT!?

Well i'd be damned, never thought they'd add it.

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- Animating Wail: AoE Haste

This could either be serious epic win or "meh"...



How high is that haste? I haven't fought those since people decided pink birds were the only exp mob in FFXI. If it's a substantial boost, expect it to be gimped to at least half potency, but since people in FFXI love their haste maybe BLUs will get invited to mer...nevermind.

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#55 Jun 10 2010 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
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Refueling is 10% so im going to assume that Animating Wail will either be:

A. AOE + 10%
B. AOE + 15% + high MP cost
#56 Jun 10 2010 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
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Refueling is 10% so im going to assume that Animating Wail will either be:

A. AOE + 10%
B. AOE + 15% + high MP cost


Depending on how much you think SE May try to mess with it you could go with...

C. AOE + high MP cost + X% divided among party members in range
#57 Jun 10 2010 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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PlanckZero wrote:
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Refueling is 10% so im going to assume that Animating Wail will either be:

A. AOE + 10%
B. AOE + 15% + high MP cost


Depending on how much you think SE May try to mess with it you could go with...

C. AOE + high MP cost + X% divided among party members in range


I'm expecting...

D. AOE + 5%

Since it's AOE, SE probably thinks they have to make it weaker than the single-target spell. It would also be equal to Haste Samba, the other "AOE" haste.
#58 Jun 10 2010 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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I'm expecting...

D. AOE + 5%

Since it's AOE, SE probably thinks they have to make it weaker than the single-target spell. It would also be equal to Haste Samba, the other "AOE" haste.


Other than Garuda's Hastega, you mean, which is the normal 15% potency, albeit with lower duration until higher levels of Summoning skill.

Other buffs aren't the "Haste" icon/buff/whatever. March is AoE as well. Haste Samba isn't a Haste effect proper...nor is it technically AoE.
#59 Jun 10 2010 at 12:22 PM Rating: Good
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Except you're forgetting that as of this next patch AOE haste is going to become staple for all mages.

RDM/SCH
SCH/WHM
WHM/SCH
SMN/anything
DNC (10% Haste Samba via merits)

Animated Wail should either act like an AOE refueling for a moderate MP cost or 15% on how giving SE decides to be. This makes even a party without haste capable of getting in one go via a BLU even if it is 10% vs 15%.

No one likes hasting so I see wail as being just a quick fire haste if a dedicated mage isnt covering the duty. DNC can apply an "Aoe" haste but it counts towards the JA cap and requires you to be engaged. It doesn't take away from the fact that all mages will soon have the ability to AOE haste in one form or another.



Edited, Jun 10th 2010 2:24pm by SparthosofLakshmi
#60 Jun 10 2010 at 12:33 PM Rating: Default
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Except you're forgetting that as of this next patch AOE haste is going to become staple for all mages.

RDM/SCH
SCH/WHM
WHM/SCH
SMN/anything
DNC
(10% Haste Samba via merits)

Animated Wail should either act like an AOE refueling for a moderate MP cost or 15% on how giving SE decides to be. This makes even a party without haste capable of getting in one go via a BLU even if it is 10% vs 15%.

No one likes hasting so I see wail as being just a quick fire haste if a dedicated mage isnt covering the duty. DNC can apply an "Aoe" haste but it counts towards the JA cap and requires you to be engaged. It doesn't take away from the fact that all mages will soon have the ability to AOE haste in one form or another.


You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
#61 Jun 10 2010 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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BLM doesn't have a native haste, and therefore will not be able to AOE-ify it with Accession.

#62 Jun 10 2010 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".


Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
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#63 Jun 10 2010 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
I'd love to be able to haste myself on blm Smiley: frown
#64 Jun 10 2010 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".


How exactly would Blm get AOE haste? You can't sub Whm and Sch at the same time.
#65 Jun 10 2010 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
I'd love to be able to haste myself on blm Smiley: frown

Yes, but you know as well as I do that having Haste means that you're the last person in the group to ever get Hasted.
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#66 Jun 10 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
I'd love to be able to haste myself on blm Smiley: frown
Yes, but you know as well as I do that having Haste means that you're the last person in the group to ever get Hasted.
Whenever i actually care to haste myself, i'm always the first one to get it Smiley: dubious

Lets you cast on everyone else sooner, etc.

Edited, Jun 10th 2010 2:44pm by ThePsychoticOne
#67 Jun 10 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
I'd love to be able to haste myself on blm Smiley: frown
Yes, but you know as well as I do that having Haste means that you're the last person in the group to ever get Hasted.
Whenever i actually care to haste myself, i'm always the first one to get it Smiley: dubious

SHhh!! You're undermining my point, here.
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#68 Jun 10 2010 at 12:46 PM Rating: Decent
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
I'd love to be able to haste myself on blm Smiley: frown
Yes, but you know as well as I do that having Haste means that you're the last person in the group to ever get Hasted.
Whenever i actually care to haste myself, i'm always the first one to get it Smiley: dubious
SHhh!! You're undermining my point, here.
Only because your point was dumb.
#69 Jun 10 2010 at 12:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let me clarify something with these JA's.

SE is known to put JA animations in the .dats well before they are implemented and they release them little by little. It is highly unlikely we will see all 14 JA's given on the day of the update, but rather a slow release of them in groups of 4-5. Remember, Tier II Enspells were in the .dats for 6-9 months before their actual implementation and there is also room for SE to add new JA's as they see fit. Right now, it just looks as though they have those 14 JA's locked in and what they want to do, and other JA's they are still working on ironing out.

Edited, Jun 10th 2010 11:47am by ImmortalAlchemist
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
I'd love to be able to haste myself on blm Smiley: frown
Yes, but you know as well as I do that having Haste means that you're the last person in the group to ever get Hasted.
Whenever i actually care to haste myself, i'm always the first one to get it Smiley: dubious
SHhh!! You're undermining my point, here.
Only because your point was dumb.

Again!
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#71 Jun 10 2010 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
I'd love to be able to haste myself on blm Smiley: frown
Yes, but you know as well as I do that having Haste means that you're the last person in the group to ever get Hasted.
Whenever i actually care to haste myself, i'm always the first one to get it Smiley: dubious
SHhh!! You're undermining my point, here.
Only because your point was dumb.
Again!
Well maybe if your point made sense, i wouldn't undermine it Smiley: frown
#72 Jun 10 2010 at 12:53 PM Rating: Default
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".


Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-


The thing I'm trying to point out here is that NOT ALL MAGES will get AOE Haste, ok? So, the poster I quoted was wrong in pointing out all mages were gonna get that spell, one of them will now be the odd ball out, poor BLMs, getting shafted more and more with each update. One fewer reason to invite them to a party.
#73 Jun 10 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Inralkil wrote:
BLU spells don't always get the same effects as the mob version. Are the descriptions next to the names verified in the .dats or based on what the mob does?


Spell descriptions are never updated during preliminary updates. These updates take place in order to allow new animations and models to be downloaded to the client so that on the day of the update, the size is not as large. What is listed for the new BLU spells is based on what we already know the effect has from when those mobs use it. We do know that some BLU spells get nerfed in some way, such as Exuviation where its 85 HP healed + Erase, but when Wamouras use it, its full erase (All status ailments removed) and the number of ailments removed increases the amount of HP healed to it.
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#74 Jun 10 2010 at 12:58 PM Rating: Default
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The thing I'm trying to point out here is that NOT ALL MAGES will get AOE Haste, ok? So, the poster I quoted was wrong in pointing out all mages were gonna get that spell, one of them will now be the odd ball out, poor BLMs, getting shafted more and more with each update. One fewer reason to invite them to a party.


Splitting hairs are we? Why would BLM get an enhancing spell?

Horrible troll is horrible.

Anyone who plays FFXI knows that BLM is still quite an in demand job even if things arent so hot on the EXP front. Outside the amazing SCH (who likely has a blm) or a situational BLU, BLM still holds the monopoly on magical damage in this game.

The job will gets its newer tier spells and OMGMETEOR that every BLM has salivated about and still maintain a good standing among the inner ranking of jobs.



Edited, Jun 10th 2010 2:59pm by SparthosofLakshmi
#75 Jun 10 2010 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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So are there animations on these new JA's we could punch into altanaviewer or whatever to have a look?
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#76 Jun 10 2010 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
OmegaTyrant wrote:
Aliekber wrote:
OmegaTyrant wrote:
You forgot BLM in that list up there, oh, wait, BLMs don't get party invites, they don't go in any list that includes "all mages".
Do you really want to be Hasting melee on your BLM? -_-
The thing I'm trying to point out here is that NOT ALL MAGES will get AOE Haste, ok? So, the poster I quoted was wrong in pointing out all mages were gonna get that spell, one of them will now be the odd ball out, poor BLMs, getting shafted more and more with each update. One fewer reason to invite them to a party.
Uh, why would not getting hastega affect them getting parties? The only difference is that hastega uses less mp than haste*3-5, which doesn't matter if they have more than enough mp. Besides, between enspells, stoneskin, etc, you may not even always want to use a charge on hastea.
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