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#27REDACTED, Posted: Sep 05 2008 at 4:01 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) QFF.
#28 Sep 05 2008 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
Hotsuba wrote:
Yeah... but SE still sucks with the customer service.

Sorry... waiting for 4 hours on their webchat made me bitter.


Oh, I wholeheartedly agree - I;ve said it before, and I'll say it again , SE needs to create a dedicated number, toll free, 24-7, to deal with account hackings . That way hackings can be resolved sooner, and other customers (like the op) with non hacking related issues can get seen to sooner as well . I doubt SE will ever do it, it would cost too much money for them, but I still think they should .


And I do feel for you OP - I do believe SE should have other ways of verifying accounts available- perhaps via email .
#29 Sep 05 2008 at 4:20 PM Rating: Default
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fatalillusiontw wrote:

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree - I;ve said it before, and I'll say it again , SE needs to create a dedicated number, toll free, 24-7, to deal with account hackings . That way hackings can be resolved sooner, and other customers (like the op) with non hacking related issues can get seen to sooner as well . I doubt SE will ever do it, it would cost too much money for them, but I still think they should .


And I do feel for you OP - I do believe SE should have other ways of verifying accounts available- perhaps via email .


= (
#30 Sep 06 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Default
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Aha!

I managed to find this yesterday. It's not the same situation, but very similar.

http://www.gamewatch.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=3340&sid=d436daeb443677c4e6af3bd6abd78119

Oh and another one: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/sdetail.html?story=11667

Something really needs to be done to help us in these types of situations, this is just wrong.

Edited, Sep 6th 2008 1:58pm by PerfectCode
#31 Sep 06 2008 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
well. i think if you still got you POL CDKey .. and CCard and you ID . maybe they can give your ID back
#32 Sep 06 2008 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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The only thing I have is the card details, PoL registration code (and all the other registration codes), month/day/year of the date of birth, full name, and 75% correct address


PlayOnline ID?

The 4 things you generally always need to get no-fuss service are POL ID, card details, POL registration code (other codes help) and account details (dob/address/name). If you have the reg codes and the card details and the POL ID, then you'll come across some kind staff member who will bend the rules for you. I bet you said to the sales rep "oh i dont know the address because i made it up. i made it up because i don't trust big companies." Heck if I was a sales rep I'd be thinking "uhh.. lol? Sounds too fishy to me."

To be honest I think you will be able to get your account back if:
*you have the POL ID in addition to the information you already have OR
*you have the FULL CORRECT address in addition to the information you already have

If you don't have those, and are persistent enough with WebChat (and nice enough to the reps so they want to help you), you could probably get your account back without those 2 things.

Next time, store your POL ID with your reg keys! Good luck OP.

Edited, Sep 6th 2008 5:43pm by kegsay
#33 Sep 06 2008 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
This isn't much help for this situation, but as a preventive measure it's a good idea to memorize your POL ID. It's only eight digits and not hard to remember, if you can keep your SS# in your head you're good.

You may have to get a new ID, but talk to POL anyway, they might help you out. I wouldn't hope for too much given the recent hackings, though: you should probably search around and see if you can find the manual, if you wrote your ID down in it.
#34 Sep 06 2008 at 3:06 PM Rating: Default
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japanlwq wrote:
well. i think if you still got you POL CDKey .. and CCard and you ID . maybe they can give your ID back

As I have said, I forgot my PoL ID but I think I remember a close version of it. Problem is even if it was correct I dont know the password. :(

kegsay wrote:


PlayOnline ID?

The 4 things you generally always need to get no-fuss service are POL ID, card details, POL registration code (other codes help) and account details (dob/address/name). If you have the reg codes and the card details and the POL ID, then you'll come across some kind staff member who will bend the rules for you. I bet you said to the sales rep "oh i dont know the address because i made it up. i made it up because i don't trust big companies." Heck if I was a sales rep I'd be thinking "uhh.. lol? Sounds too fishy to me."

To be honest I think you will be able to get your account back if:
*you have the POL ID in addition to the information you already have OR
*you have the FULL CORRECT address in addition to the information you already have

If you don't have those, and are persistent enough with WebChat (and nice enough to the reps so they want to help you), you could probably get your account back without those 2 things.

Next time, store your POL ID with your reg keys! Good luck OP.

Edited, Sep 6th 2008 5:43pm by kegsay

As I said above I dont remember exactly what my PoL ID is...

No I did not say anything remotely close to what you assume I might have said.

I would store it with my registration keys but there is no specific spot to "write PoL ID and password here" like in other game manuals I've had (this is the X360 version remember).

Sioux wrote:
This isn't much help for this situation, but as a preventive measure it's a good idea to memorize your POL ID. It's only eight digits and not hard to remember, if you can keep your SS# in your head you're good.

You may have to get a new ID, but talk to POL anyway, they might help you out. I wouldn't hope for too much given the recent hackings, though: you should probably search around and see if you can find the manual, if you wrote your ID down in it.

I made the account 2 years ago, it is quite hard to remember when you arnt looking at it all the time due to having it saved so it automatically logs you in... if only our human brain was "more perfect" then we could remember things that long ago or longer.

I really wish they would help me out, but quite frankly the people working there act like they just dont care. They just show up to work and just do whatever they are told to do, nothing more, nothing less. That may seem like a good thing, but for this situation it is not good at all.

Also in one of my posts above I put some links to some forum discussions I found (thanks Google!) and these people wanted me to write a letter to some guy named William Bisby. Of course, this letter would either get no response, or just the same computer generated response that the people at PoL give me. Therefore not helping one bit...


Edit: I hope that if I keep calling them and ask politely (like I have been doing) for my account back that they will be human enough to recognize that I really want my account back because it is special to me.

But the stupid part about that is that they apparently cant look at my character details or collaborate with anyone who can (GMs?, etc) so they cant see how my account is not one that would normally be hacked because I dont have any level 75s or expensive gear and I've been really poor all the time I've played FFXI.

Edited, Sep 6th 2008 4:18pm by PerfectCode
#35 Sep 06 2008 at 5:16 PM Rating: Default
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Here's a quote I found from a comment on this ridiculous story:

"The vague and dismissive answers they give is the main reason I gave up. Dealing with SE employees, like Lyman Tuttle and William Bisby, trying to get ANY support have left such a bad taste for me, I’ll never buy another square-enix product again."

Who is this William Bisby fellow?...
#36 Sep 06 2008 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good
Can you even cancel your membership if you're not able to login to your acct? One must remember that some cultures have just ridiculously horrible customer support as they have a completely different business/customer relationship concept. I deal w/ this all the time due to being in International Central due to the huge company in this small town that hires mostly foreign workers from all over the planet. I've learned a lot about which cultures have a lot of just plain out lazy people to some that have completely dishonest/greedy ones, to you name it. Pre-empted response to the first moronic comment about the fact I just posted: BLAAAAAH!
#37 Sep 06 2008 at 8:38 PM Rating: Default
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MonsterLlama wrote:
Can you even cancel your membership if you're not able to login to your acct? One must remember that some cultures have just ridiculously horrible customer support as they have a completely different business/customer relationship concept. I deal w/ this all the time due to being in International Central due to the huge company in this small town that hires mostly foreign workers from all over the planet. I've learned a lot about which cultures have a lot of just plain out lazy people to some that have completely dishonest/greedy ones, to you name it. Pre-empted response to the first moronic comment about the fact I just posted: BLAAAAAH!

Yeah I can cancel membership despite me not being able to login. Ridiculous.
#38 Sep 09 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Default
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*sigh*

Calling again, I hope someone actually helps this time. I'm not betting on it though.

Edit: I've been on hold for 39 minutes btw... >.>
Edit 2: Now been on hold for over an hour...



Wow, just talked to some ******** named 'James'. Got the same old bullshiite from him too. They just seem to not want to help me, very very messed up. They continue to provide very insufficient answers to the questions I am asking them and in this case the person was so corrupt as to disconnect the phone call when I was asking simply for help on how I can get my account back.

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 2:35pm by PerfectCode
#39 Sep 09 2008 at 2:00 PM Rating: Default
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This is essentially what is happening, an abuse of powers:

"This is why I rarely get speeding tickets, though I am often pulled over for speeding. I am nice to the officer, rules are always bent by the people in charge when they don't have a point to prove. Asking a GM to "prove it" makes it personal, and they will ban you just to show who is boss."

A quote from someone's post here.


Ahh man, I REALLY wish they record all of my phone calls with them for 'quality assurance' purposes because their quality sucks beyond belief.


All this because of four digits for one "not so special" account! WTF!

These fools at PoS Support dont even want to talk it out like you should do because they'll just get owned (sounds obnoxious of me to say eh? well it's true).



Edited, Sep 9th 2008 3:06pm by PerfectCode
#40 Sep 09 2008 at 3:11 PM Rating: Good
Sioux wrote:
This isn't much help for this situation, but as a preventive measure it's a good idea to memorize your POL ID. It's only eight digits and not hard to remember, if you can keep your SS# in your head you're good.


I've memorized my SSN, Driver's license, Credit Card numbers + CVC + Expiration, POL ID, I even know the exact day I started (over 4 years ago)

On-topic: POL support is pretty notorious for being subpar but in this case, I think they're doing their job correctly, despite your displeasure. Consider that someone is calling in, giving them wrong information, and requesting an account recovery. It would be one thing if you had all the information they needed and they still wouldn't help, but unfortunately, they cannot be held responsible for you giving them intentionally false information and then forgetting that information. It sucks, but what it ultimately comes down to is that the person on the other end of that phone is looking at one thing and having you tell them another, and they have no way of knowing whether you're the actual account holder or someone who knows the actual account holder and is simply trying to guess information to steal your neighbor's account.



The other bottom line is that they (and actually any "support" rep) has a very specific set of rules to follow. I used to do phone support for Apple. If you owned a PowerBook or iBook circa 2-3 years ago and called in for help, you may very well have spoken to me or someone I know.

As a representative of Apple, there were several rules I had to follow. If you weren't within the initial 90 day phone support period and/or didn't have the 3 year coverage, I could not help you with ANYTHING, unless you paid $49 bucks for the support incident. If your issue involved anything other than an Apple product (communication with a Windows computer, a Linksys/Belkin/etc router, a printer...), I was only allowed to verify the Apple stuff was set up correctly and that's -it-. It doesn't matter if I know how to fix the issue, I'm not allowed to.

Even more specifically, I've done it. I've had people on the phone who were quite nice and I was in a good mood and I -really- wanted to help them even though I wasn't allowed to, so I did. I've set up Windows/Mac file sharing. I've bridged Linksys routers to Apple AirPort Base Stations... I wasn't allowed to but every so often I've done it.

They CAN and DO listen in to your calls. That whole "this call may be monitored or recorded..." schtick ain't ********* I've been on the phone, helping someone with something I'm not supposed to because I know how to and I want to and had someone tap me on the shoulder and whisper "When you're finished the call, come talk to me". I finish my call, I put myself to offline status, and then I go to the office and get written up for "Operating out of the Apple Scope of Support". I've done it so many times that the last time I did it, I was told that if I did it one more time, I would be fired.

I've found other jobs since then but the bottom line is, while you REALLY DO want them to ACTUALLY help you, and even if THEY REALLY DO want to actually help you, most people are not willing to get written up or possibly fired for doing something they aren't supposed to do or aren't allowed to do. There is nothing they can do about their company's policy, all they can do is decide whether to follow it or not.



So with that story and my personal experience in mind, I ask you: If you called someone at SE's customer support line after their last writeup, an honestly good person who has TRIED to go "above and beyond" only to be smacked down by supervisors time and time again and who is one step away from the boot... would you be content with them getting fired and losing their job and income, just so that you can get your virtual character back?
#41 Sep 09 2008 at 4:25 PM Rating: Default
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Mikhalia wrote:

I've memorized my SSN, Driver's license, Credit Card numbers + CVC + Expiration, POL ID, I even know the exact day I started (over 4 years ago)

Congrats?
Mikhalia wrote:

On-topic: POL support is pretty notorious for being subpar but in this case, I think they're doing their job correctly, despite your displeasure. Consider that someone is calling in, giving them wrong information, and requesting an account recovery. It would be one thing if you had all the information they needed and they still wouldn't help, but unfortunately, they cannot be held responsible for you giving them intentionally false information and then forgetting that information. It sucks, but what it ultimately comes down to is that the person on the other end of that phone is looking at one thing and having you tell them another, and they have no way of knowing whether you're the actual account holder or someone who knows the actual account holder and is simply trying to guess information to steal your neighbor's account.

Thanks for the repitition. ;) So you're saying that giving them 4 wrong digits (for my address I registered with) is "wrong information" as in every info I give them is wrong?

You know what's funny? This is what I asked the person I talked to today (James): " So because of me not remembering four numbers it makes me look like I am trying to hack my own account?" He said "no" and then gave dismissive answers and hung up on me. >.>

Please stop the repetition though, if SE was smarter with it's customer support they would have other ways to verify (email, security question, etc) and they would be able to collaborate with GMs and whatnot. But since there is none of that they fail for my situation.

Mikhalia wrote:

Even more specifically, I've done it. I've had people on the phone who were quite nice and I was in a good mood and I -really- wanted to help them even though I wasn't allowed to, so I did. I've set up Windows/Mac file sharing. I've bridged Linksys routers to Apple AirPort Base Stations... I wasn't allowed to but every so often I've done it.

If only you worked for PoS Support and could help me. >.>

Mikhalia wrote:

They CAN and DO listen in to your calls. That whole "this call may be monitored or recorded..." schtick ain't bullsh*t.

Good, they should be able to see how much they fail.
Mikhalia wrote:
I've been on the phone, helping someone with something I'm not supposed to because I know how to and I want to and had someone tap me on the shoulder and whisper "When you're finished the call, come talk to me". I finish my call, I put myself to offline status, and then I go to the office and get written up for "Operating out of the Apple Scope of Support". I've done it so many times that the last time I did it, I was told that if I did it one more time, I would be fired.

Gotta love corporations... that really sucks.
Mikhalia wrote:

I've found other jobs since then but the bottom line is, while you REALLY DO want them to ACTUALLY help you, and even if THEY REALLY DO want to actually help you, most people are not willing to get written up or possibly fired for doing something they aren't supposed to do or aren't allowed to do. There is nothing they can do about their company's policy, all they can do is decide whether to follow it or not.

So then their company policy in situations like mine is to lose business? Fail.

Mikhalia wrote:

So with that story and my personal experience in mind, I ask you: If you called someone at SE's customer support line after their last writeup, an honestly good person who has TRIED to go "above and beyond" only to be smacked down by supervisors time and time again and who is one step away from the boot... would you be content with them getting fired and losing their job and income, just so that you can get your virtual character back?


I would not be content with them losing their job since it is morally wrong for the supervisors to fire someone just for trying to help the customer. The fact that they wont even help me in this situation might make me cancel my business with them and then they wouldnt be taking my money which is what they want to do in the first place...

I do however think these people working at these support lines could get a better job than that though, do these things really pay well? My assumption would be no. Some of these people seem nice and intelligent, and I would much rather they put their talent to better use.

"would you be content with them getting fired and losing their job and income, just so that you can get your virtual character back?"
See that's just it, it's a virtual character, why cant they just give it back to me? They are making it a bigger deal than they should (due to their failed thought process on how to give awesome support) and in response to that I am doing the same.

PS: Thanks for your reply Mikhalia. I appreciate it. :)

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 5:32pm by PerfectCode
#42 Sep 09 2008 at 5:23 PM Rating: Excellent
the thing is, losing a single customer vs losing their job, esp. when it doesnt matter to them if a customer leaves (as they are not AOL with the reterntion policy), they are just going to follow policy.
#43 Sep 09 2008 at 5:27 PM Rating: Default
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alphamone wrote:
the thing is, losing a single customer vs losing their job, esp. when it doesnt matter to them if a customer leaves (as they are not AOL with the reterntion policy), they are just going to follow policy.

Right, but it's not like FFXI is the biggest MMO ever made. Do they really have to lose another player?

This whole debacle is just a shameful headache.
#44 Sep 09 2008 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
PerfectCode wrote:
I would not be content with them losing their job since it is morally wrong for the supervisors to fire someone just for trying to help the customer. The fact that they wont even help me in this situation might make me cancel my business with them and then they wouldnt be taking my money which is what they want to do in the first place...

I do however think these people working at these support lines could get a better job than that though, do these things really pay well? My assumption would be no. Some of these people seem nice and intelligent, and I would much rather they put their talent to better use.


Firstly, let me say I don't defend PoL or Apple's "Customer Service Policy". Honestly, just about any company has similar policies. Another story for you, from this side of the phone.

My girlfriend accidentally stepped on my laptop and broke off the faceplate for teh DVD-ROM drive. Since I bought the laptop from Best Buy, Dell REFUSES to even talk to me. They won't send me a faceplate, they won't SELL me a faceplate, they won't even do ANYTHING other than tell me to talk to Best Buy. Best Buy says that they do not do ANY laptop repairs in store, they have to be sent out and it takes "about 2 weeks". I even complained to the manager who checked to see if they can order the part and said that Dell WILL NOT send the part to their local store.

I think corporate company policies often suck and very rarely are customer friendly. Apple is often rated #1 or at least very high for their technical support, yet I know all of their policies by heart even 2 years later and it astounds me how that is so.

Fact of the matter is, the grunts that answer the phone can do nothing to change the policy. I, as an employee of Apple, sent in several "Employee suggestions" to modify their support offerings here and there to be more customer friendly and was met with a more politely worded "No, now STFU. Thank you for your suggestion." from my superiors.

I started at about $9/hr and was making $12.50/hr a year and a half later when I left. It's not "omgwtfuber" money, but for a job with a dress code that included the words "no pajamas" and a pretty casual atmosphere when it came to what you did in your spare time (I played on a portable PS1 I brought in and kept at my cubicle to play stuff on between calls and even while on calls and wore bondage pants and a T-shirt to work and it was fine).

Most call centers I've seen are pretty lacsidaisical when it comes to internal company policy, so long as their employees maintain their quotas. As long as I kept an average call time of under 15 mins and kept detailed, accurate call notes, they really didn't care when we sat there WHILE ON THE PHONE and tossed beach balls around or played flash games on the web. If you totally ignore the fact that our customer support policies sucked ***, the job was otherwise pretty fun, and that's why I stayed, despite the low pay.

Most call center environments are pretty easy going when it comes to the way they treat their employees and they know that if you don't want to follow the insipid policies and procedures when it comes to customers, they can quite easily find someone to fill your seat and follow those rules. The reason I left was that I had been twice passed over for a team lead/supervisor position because of my indiscretions (refusal to follow policy) and because my call handle time and first call resolution rates were so low that they would rather have had me answer phones. (That is to say, I fix things quickly, efficiently, and the first time. Because I was so good at my job, they would not promote me.) The ones who are technically illiterate but follow the script and obey company policy like gospel are the ones who get promoted. I'm not just exaggerating this point either; more than once have I had those same supervisors who were constantly telling me to "Stay within your scope of support" come to me and ask me stupidly basic technical questions like how to change your logon password or how to boot to a CD.


But I digress...

These companies make policies that they, as a corporation, feel are easiest to establish and demand all employees enforce them. Aside from "the customers", the perks of being an overly casual job are typically sufficient enough to pacify most employees from raising a stir internally about how insipid these policies are, and if you complain too loudly, they'll have 3-5 people interviewing to fill your chair by the end of the week.

I'll never disagree that company policy sucks, but the people on the other end of the phone get sh*t on if they don't enforce it. If I **** off a customer by refusal to break scope, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because when they're off the phone, they aren't my problem any more, and as a grunt, if you take your iBook back and get a Dell instead, it doesn't affect my paycheck. If I do break down and help you even though I shouldn't, then you're happy and I'm happy, but once I get off the phone, I get written up and while you're still happy, I'm no longer happy. I'm in trouble and I have to listen to my boss ***** at me.

tl;dr: It sucks, but there's nothing the grunts can do about it. And even if the grunts did want to help you (and believe me, many of us DID want to help the customer beyong the level that we were allowed to), they are chastized for doing so. I won't disagree that the whole situation is crap, but it is a situation that will never change. You just have to accept it as an inevitability :/

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 9:54pm by Mikhalia

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 10:01pm by Mikhalia
#45 Sep 09 2008 at 6:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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SE really takes forever and a day with customer support just keep trying though and make sure you are calling/chatting during the times they are open.
#46 Sep 09 2008 at 6:28 PM Rating: Default
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Mikhalia wrote:


Firstly, let me say I don't defend PoL or Apple's "Customer Service Policy". Honestly, just about any company has similar policies. Another story for you, from this side of the phone.

My girlfriend accidentally stepped on my laptop and broke off the faceplate for teh DVD-ROM drive. Since I bought the laptop from Best Buy, Dell REFUSES to even talk to me. They won't send me a faceplate, they won't SELL me a faceplate, they won't even do ANYTHING other than tell me to talk to Best Buy. Best Buy says that they do not do ANY laptop repairs in store, they have to be sent out and it takes "about 2 weeks". I even complained to the manager who checked to see if they can order the part and said that Dell WILL NOT send the part to their local store.

I think corporate company policies often suck and very rarely are customer friendly. Apple is often rated #1 or at least very high for their technical support, yet I know all of their policies by heart even 2 years later and it astounds me how that is so.

Fact of the matter is, the grunts that answer the phone can do nothing to change the policy. I, as an employee of Apple, sent in several "Employee suggestions" to modify their support offerings here and there to be more customer friendly and was met with a more politely worded "No, now STFU. Thank you for your suggestion." from my superiors.

I started at about $9/hr and was making $12.50/hr a year and a half later when I left. It's not "omgwtfuber" money, but for a job with a dress code that included the words "no pajamas" and a pretty casual atmosphere when it came to what you did in your spare time (I played on a portable PS1 I brought in and kept at my cubicle to play stuff on between calls and even while on calls and wore bondage pants and a T-shirt to work and it was fine).

Most call centers I've seen are pretty lacsidaisical when it comes to internal company policy, so long as their employees maintain their quotas. As long as I kept an average call time of under 15 mins and kept detailed, accurate call notes, they really didn't care when we sat there WHILE ON THE PHONE and tossed beach balls around or played flash games on the web. If you totally ignore the fact that our customer support policies sucked ***, the job was otherwise pretty fun, and that's why I stayed, despite the low pay.

Most call center environments are pretty easy going when it comes to the way they treat their employees and they know that if you don't want to follow the insipid policies and procedures when it comes to customers, they can quite easily find someone to fill your seat and follow those rules. The reason I left was that I had been twice passed over for a team lead/supervisor position because of my indiscretions (refusal to follow policy) and because my call handle time and first call resolution rates were so low that they would rather have had me answer phones. (That is to say, I fix things quickly, efficiently, and the first time. Because I was so good at my job, they would not promote me.) The ones who are technically illiterate but follow the script and obey company policy like gospel are the ones who get promoted. I'm not just exaggerating this point either; more than once have I had those same supervisors who were constantly telling me to "Stay within your scope of support" come to me and ask me stupidly basic technical questions like how to change your logon password or how to boot to a CD.


But I digress...

These companies make policies that they, as a corporation, feel are easiest to establish and demand all employees enforce them. Aside from "the customers", the perks of being an overly casual job are typically sufficient enough to pacify most employees from raising a stir internally about how insipid these policies are, and if you complain too loudly, they'll have 3-5 people interviewing to fill your chair by the end of the week.

I'll never disagree that company policy sucks, but the people on the other end of the phone get sh*t on if they don't enforce it. If I **** off a customer by refusal to break scope, it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things because when they're off the phone, they aren't my problem any more, and as a grunt, if you take your iBook back and get a Dell instead, it doesn't affect my paycheck. If I do break down and help you even though I shouldn't, then you're happy and I'm happy, but once I get off the phone, I get written up and while you're still happy, I'm no longer happy. I'm in trouble and I have to listen to my boss ***** at me.

tl;dr: It sucks, but there's nothing the grunts can do about it. And even if the grunts did want to help you (and believe me, many of us DID want to help the customer beyong the level that we were allowed to), they are chastized for doing so. I won't disagree that the whole situation is crap, but it is a situation that will never change. You just have to accept it as an inevitability :/

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 9:54pm by Mikhalia

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 10:01pm by Mikhalia


Well I'm certainly glad you are on this forum and have had such past experiences to post so I can more understand why things have happened the way they have. Even though by me understanding more about what their side of the story might be it definitely doenst make anything better. Things still suck. :(

I do thank you for your excellent posts. :)

*Ups post*

PS: Dell does suck really bad, I had a horrible customer experience with them about a year ago regarding a XPS 720 H2C I bought from them. But the story is too long and makes me frustrated just thinking about it...

The Glorious Saphiera wrote:
SE really takes forever and a day with customer support just keep trying though and make sure you are calling/chatting during the times they are open.

Yes they do take forever and a day. :(



Edited, Sep 9th 2008 7:27pm by PerfectCode
#47 Sep 10 2008 at 6:25 PM Rating: Default
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So do any of you think the webchats are not monitored so maybe if there is an honest person who wants to help they might be able to?

Edited, Sep 11th 2008 1:25am by PerfectCode
#48REDACTED, Posted: Sep 11 2008 at 12:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Whaa... I want to play.
#49 Sep 11 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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PerfectCode wrote:
Mikhalia wrote:

I've memorized my SSN, Driver's license, Credit Card numbers + CVC + Expiration, POL ID, I even know the exact day I started (over 4 years ago)

1)Congrats?
Mikhalia wrote:

On-topic: POL support is pretty notorious for being subpar but in this case, I think they're doing their job correctly, despite your displeasure. Consider that someone is calling in, giving them wrong information, and requesting an account recovery. It would be one thing if you had all the information they needed and they still wouldn't help, but unfortunately, they cannot be held responsible for you giving them intentionally false information and then forgetting that information. It sucks, but what it ultimately comes down to is that the person on the other end of that phone is looking at one thing and having you tell them another, and they have no way of knowing whether you're the actual account holder or someone who knows the actual account holder and is simply trying to guess information to steal your neighbor's account.

2)Thanks for the repitition. ;) So you're saying that giving them 4 wrong digits (for my address I registered with) is "wrong information" as in every info I give them is wrong?

You know what's funny? This is what I asked the person I talked to today (James): " So because of me not remembering four numbers it makes me look like I am trying to hack my own account?" He said "no" and then gave dismissive answers and hung up on me. >.>

Please stop the repetition though, if SE was smarter with it's customer support they would have other ways to verify (email, security question, etc) and they would be able to collaborate with GMs and whatnot. But since there is none of that they fail for my situation.


Mikhalia wrote:

Even more specifically, I've done it. I've had people on the phone who were quite nice and I was in a good mood and I -really- wanted to help them even though I wasn't allowed to, so I did. I've set up Windows/Mac file sharing. I've bridged Linksys routers to Apple AirPort Base Stations... I wasn't allowed to but every so often I've done it.

If only you worked for PoS Support and could help me. >.>

Mikhalia wrote:

They CAN and DO listen in to your calls. That whole "this call may be monitored or recorded..." schtick ain't bullsh*t.

Good, they should be able to see how much they fail.
Mikhalia wrote:
I've been on the phone, helping someone with something I'm not supposed to because I know how to and I want to and had someone tap me on the shoulder and whisper "When you're finished the call, come talk to me". I finish my call, I put myself to offline status, and then I go to the office and get written up for "Operating out of the Apple Scope of Support". I've done it so many times that the last time I did it, I was told that if I did it one more time, I would be fired.

Gotta love corporations... that really sucks.
Mikhalia wrote:

I've found other jobs since then but the bottom line is, while you REALLY DO want them to ACTUALLY help you, and even if THEY REALLY DO want to actually help you, most people are not willing to get written up or possibly fired for doing something they aren't supposed to do or aren't allowed to do. There is nothing they can do about their company's policy, all they can do is decide whether to follow it or not.

3)So then their company policy in situations like mine is to lose business? Fail.

Mikhalia wrote:

So with that story and my personal experience in mind, I ask you: If you called someone at SE's customer support line after their last writeup, an honestly good person who has TRIED to go "above and beyond" only to be smacked down by supervisors time and time again and who is one step away from the boot... would you be content with them getting fired and losing their job and income, just so that you can get your virtual character back?


I would not be content with them losing their job since it is morally wrong for the supervisors to fire someone just for trying to help the customer. The fact that they wont even help me in this situation might make me cancel my business with them and then they wouldnt be taking my money which is what they want to do in the first place...

I do however think these people working at these support lines could get a better job than that though, do these things really pay well? My assumption would be no. Some of these people seem nice and intelligent, and I would much rather they put their talent to better use.

"would you be content with them getting fired and losing their job and income, just so that you can get your virtual character back?"
See that's just it, it's a virtual character, why cant they just give it back to me? They are making it a bigger deal than they should (due to their failed thought process on how to give awesome support) and in response to that I am doing the same.

PS: Thanks for your reply Mikhalia. I appreciate it. :)

Edited, Sep 9th 2008 5:32pm by PerfectCode


1) Yes, congratulations to them. That's an extremely smart move, honestly. A lot of professional financial planners highly suggest memorizing such things. Especially your SSN so as not to have to carry it around with you. Start working on your memorization skills.

2) They are being just as repititious as you are with your "ZOMGTHISIS@#%^EDUP" mentality. You straight up lied about your information when you signed up, and now you're preaching to the choir. Why were you so worried about using your actual home address, anyways? They use a secure server for a reason. Paranoid much? I think so.

3) I think, in your situation, where you've essentially harassed them at this point due to your inept ability to tell the truth, that they would point you to the exit door that has the sign saying, "We reserve the right to refuse service to any customer." Seriously, if you came into my business with a similar problem, multiple times, then found out you were deceiving me in some manner, I'd tell you to GTFO.

Edit: misspelled 'deceiving'.

Edited, Sep 11th 2008 2:28pm by FlyingShadow
#50 Sep 11 2008 at 3:19 PM Rating: Default
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FlyingShadow, Eater of Souls wrote:


1) Yes, congratulations to them. That's an extremely smart move, honestly. A lot of professional financial planners highly suggest memorizing such things. Especially your SSN so as not to have to carry it around with you. Start working on your memorization skills.

2) They are being just as repititious as you are with your "ZOMGTHISIS@#%^EDUP" mentality. You straight up lied about your information when you signed up, and now you're preaching to the choir. Why were you so worried about using your actual home address, anyways? They use a secure server for a reason. Paranoid much? I think so.

3) I think, in your situation, where you've essentially harassed them at this point due to your inept ability to tell the truth, that they would point you to the exit door that has the sign saying, "We reserve the right to refuse service to any customer." Seriously, if you came into my business with a similar problem, multiple times, then found out you were deceiving me in some manner, I'd tell you to GTFO.

Edit: misspelled 'deceiving'.

Edited, Sep 11th 2008 2:28pm by FlyingShadow

Thanks for your exaggerated post.
#51 Sep 11 2008 at 4:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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OP:

Enough is enough. You can't expect alot from anyone when you didn't do the right thing yourself. Quit blaming others and own up to the mistakes you made. Don't give false info. Keep up with your information. Have some self-accountability.

As someone who has had to deal with POL customer support over account compromisation twice, I know the frustrations you are experiencing quite well. I do not blame anyone but myself for not being careful enough with mt account info and getting compromised. Even when there was a situation when POLCS home site was the site that hacked my info....I still know I should have been more careful.

I will give you props, however. You are a prime example to the masses of just what not to do and how not to behave when you need help.

No one wants to help someone who complains about the help they receive.



edit:typos suck

Edited, Sep 11th 2008 7:07pm by Leut
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