The following people bought FFXIAppFollow

Ftfy.

I don't like to bring up debates that have already occurred, but I don't like to see b.s. spin put out to make everything seem hunky-dorey. I especially think your spin on the server transfers/account hacking is troubling and patently false--it had little, if anything, to do with RMT. Seriously, why do you take the most naively optimistic view that makes server transferring innocent people a-ok when it contradicts the Great Taj himself?



Edited, Oct 10th 2007 12:59pm by Eltio

Wow, it's amazing how such recent history can already be mythologised. He did not have evidence they bought gil. One person out of all of them admitted to buying gil, that's it. The dropping stuff for the gil value of what they bought it a total invention. He just raped them basically. They didn't do anything wrong other than give their account details to a friend via PM on a forum and he raped their characters.

I dont get it i looked at FFXIAPP forums and every other thread is i been banned wtf?!?!?! why would anyone use this?

seems to me SE knows about it and you would be settign yourself up for a ban. several of the threads had ways to get around bans i mean how much does cheating mean to you? If youve been banned you get lucky and unban yourself and use the same program? some guy said he has been banned like 5 times

I just dont understand some people ><

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 2:14pm by Zokudu

Some of the arguements against this list are getting really mundane.

Here's a tip, if you are gonna argue the validity of the list and are using the words 'true' and 'false' or something similar, switch the words around, for example:



would become,



and there you have it.

On the death note side....

If I cheered for Light during the anime does that mean I am cheering Taj on? For those of you who have Never seen Death Note I highly suggest watching it. It's pretty bad *** for not having ninjas, swords or giant robots.

You can start by not baking up a half wit story with so many holes it makes you look even worse.

I would know of a better example if somebody came forward to say that they did not belong on the list. Likewise I would be more inclined to believe somebody who says that they tried the program out once and decided that they didn't like it for some reason and never really used it for anything beyond claim VE just for kicks one week and later shows a pic of his empress hairpin to prove it.

If Hapernak simply said he once tried it but it was of no real use to him because he is a BLM anyway it would have gone better in his favor. So for the most part you don't even really need proof of anything. If you come off honest about the situation it works greatly in your favor I would think.

So yeah, this whole debate is more or less that some people are less willing to swallow their pride than others. The worst thing that appears to be happening right now is a bunch of people who were once very cocky are now having to explain their actions. And for that I think its a good thing to happen especially in a video game where nothing really truly matters anyway. Nobody is losing their house or being literaly burned at the stakes over this after all.

Live and learn.
If you mess around you might have to pay the price.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 3:00pm by TheCastle

He had evidence that one of them bought gil a while ago, so he hacked a bunch of people who knew him. Two of them he moved to his server and those two are the ones who did not get their gear back iirc.



You're both kind of right and kind of wrong. You can sign up for program with any account character, the name of the character you sign up with is what taj posted. FFXIapp does nothing more then check some of the info, like account, character, and IP. I could buy one for my friends account if I wanted to and never use it and it would have showed up on the list that taj posted.



Except that he basicly did hack the server, some of the update information he has posted was posted before the update was even up for download.

I don't see how this is going on for 11 pages here 30 pages there etc etc... Taj isn't on my server, and I don't know anyone that he 'ripped off', so I could care less. The only reason I would even notice this is that a bunch of Hnmls high ups are cheating, thats not even a big suprise... so that leaves friends that are involved = 0. Don't care. even if I knew people involved I would have to have seen them cheating firsthand to know it.

How can you say he's guilty of being a criminal until it's actually proven in the court of law? You're so quick to judge him but you refuse to look at the names he's provided as any evidence, even though there is just as much proof for both cases.

So here's the difference really lie? Do you just draw the line at what you do or do not want to believe? Must be pretty convenient.

Sure everyone knows Taj is a complete douchebag but does that really invalidate everything he has to say? You can choose to believe or disbelieve this list, that's your choice, but being a criminal doesn't mean being a liar. The world isn't so black and white, that everyone who hacks is pure evil or some such nonsense. Trust me, there are plenty of people who have never committed a crime in their life that will gladly lie to your face, and vice versa. Don't act like there's a correlation here.

Instead you should be making rational decisions based on evidence accumulated on BG, FFXIApp, KI, and even here on Alla, that is the proper way to come to a conclusion in any argument.

Not blindly believing a list you read off of a hacker's website, not instantly discounting said list because one person said it can't be true because so and so never hacks, but careful research and observation of all the facts presented.

I've found my conclusion, I could really care less what yours is. The end result will be the same either way: botting players and linkshells are being ridiculed all over Vana'Diel, and I'm pleased as punch. People are losing months and months worth of points in their linkshells, or being removed all together.

There's nothing really new in these findings of course, 99% of these people were thought to be botters already, it's just sweet confirmation that these players were total hypocrites all along.

And who cares if not everyone who bots is on the list? This is going to make people think twice before they download a bot program now. Some angry hacker might be watching.

Oh? Is it that he posts the information before anyone else, or he's the first person YOU know to post the information? I don't think I've ever used his .dat info, the only time I've ever seen a thread of his .dat info is after someone brings it over here.

I almost finished typing out my reply to your entire post when I saw this. I guess that just discounts your own arguement, and proves everyone elses witch hunt theory.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 4:17pm by Alecxander

Also, are you actually reading anything in this thread? The people ingame confessing they bought FFXIapp? The people posting in this very thread saying they got caught? The FFXIapp staff saying they were hacked?

What sort of validation, besides all of the above, would sway you then?

Jesus Christ descending from the heavens and slapping them in the face.

Validation of the list? Or Validation of every single person on the list? As Pikko said, they are two totally different things. Anyone who can't see the difference is a complete ******.

And I'm not saying to forgive people that do come clean, but if people say they didn't, especially those from the unknown section, I'd be hard pressed to find myself going 'zomg, but your on the list, a list that Taj posted, I like the smell of taj's *** so I believe the list completely'

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 4:24pm by Alecxander