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#452 Oct 09 2007 at 10:02 PM Rating: Default
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It's also pretty obvious that there are names on that list that didn't buy FFXIapp. As I've stated previously I've actually spoken to one of the names on the list from my server and the only thing he's done which vaguely relates to using hacks was joining the FFXIapp forums. Add to this the various other people who've stated cases to consolidate this(Hapernack, Lobi), and that's enough doubt in my mind. When you combine this with the fact that you're believing someone who has hacked, stolen and generally been a scumbag I find it hard to believe that there isn't total doubt about the authenticity of his claims.



Not to keep this going but how are we supposed to believe that your friend is telling ya the truth and Taj is lieing...Taj has doen some good stuff to help the FFXI community , so more than likely the list more than accurate...Most people are taking Taj's side to a point cause of what good hes done in the Past..BTW so hes some Emo Kid...But Ya Know I wish I could do Half the stuff Taj can do...Sure some of it is Bad but Ya know hes also done a alot of Good for FFXI...So rock on Taj!!! Expose those ones that think they hide in Shadows of Secrecy
#453 Oct 09 2007 at 10:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Due to the fact I'm too lazy to weave through 9 pages of bullsh*t. Can anyone tell me the name of the artist and the tune that plays on that page?

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 11:09pm by GloomSorrow
#454 Oct 09 2007 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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It's also pretty obvious that there are names on that list that didn't buy FFXIapp.


No one can determine this, but as of now it's considered evidence
of who purchased app. Notice the names who use the forums on app. They're
not enlisted. This means that he only listed the names of purchasement of app.
#455 Oct 09 2007 at 10:44 PM Rating: Decent
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There's two songs on the page.
One is a techno song, which i forgot the name of.
The Japanese creepy song is "Misa no Uta."
#456 Oct 09 2007 at 10:51 PM Rating: Decent
It just sucks for whoever is innocent. It also sucks to be the masses. I'm sure most of us here have some sort of reasoning and can see that it's a possibilitiy that it's not 100% true and accurate.

However, on that same coin is the other side. There is the possibility that the list is 100% accurate and true.

What this mostly concerns are end-game linkshells that camp NM's. Little piddly NM's like VE and LL who gives a hoot? For one they're rare/ex and if said bot user get's his 5 buddies matching sets that might last for a week or two then it's done.

HNM camps, on the other hand are an entirely different story. They will always be camped by the same shells and sometimes for months; for the same person. (depending if they get the drop or not)

If you're on the of the people at the top list for X item at Y HNM camp but yet your linkshell has gotten 1 out of 30 claims in the past month. You look at this botting list, and lookie. 5 people in (insert competing shell name here) are on this list. They've claimed X 25 times in the past month!

That's when ***** starts to hit the fan.


That's why, I think, the whole thing over Haper was 5 pages long. He may or may not be in endgame right now (I honestly don't know). But he's obviously scholarly about endgame and has particiapted alot. Now, i personally would give him the benefit of the doubt. He said he didn't do it. Some other guy i don't personally know said he did. Until i get more evidence than that, that's all it is.



#457 Oct 09 2007 at 10:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's also pretty obvious that there are names on that list that didn't buy FFXIapp.


People on the list that I wouldn't have believed have come clean and confessed. Taj may not be a shining bastion of ethics, but the list seems very solid itself.
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#458REDACTED, Posted: Oct 09 2007 at 11:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ive been playing Halo 3 the last few days, so ive been out of the loop. Didnt know he (Taj) has also hacked gamer accounts, and blew up on Wiki. Sucks for me. Its all funny as hell though.
#459 Oct 09 2007 at 11:19 PM Rating: Default
This was all just really an elaborate scheme to get people away from Halo 3 and back to FFXI.

SE and Taj are in cahoots! I smell conspiricy!
#460 Oct 09 2007 at 11:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Ive been playing Halo 3 the last few days, so ive been out of the loop. Didnt know he (Taj) has also hacked gamer accounts, and blew up on Wiki. Sucks for me. Its all funny as hell though.



First he blew the FFXIclopedia.org scandal wide open to show that the original admins used donation money to line their own pockets.

Then he hacked the web forum that players on his server used to get their account information and passwords. He had evidence they bought gil so he moved their characters to different servers, but did not drop all of their ra/ex equipment as many people say. Apparently he did drop/gave away items of the same gil value for what they bought gil for, or so the legend goes.

He is also known for getting update info earlier than anyone else, causing a d/c on an entire server in Al Zahbi during a Besieged, and helping GMs circumvent hacking techniques.

Basically, he fancies himself as an internet Robin Hood, hacking from the cheaters and giving to the poor or something like that. He also has a huge ego complex.

So everyone is all sad that they're are so many botters in FFXI on the first few pages of this thread.

Then cue the botters, their friends, and linkshell mates coming into this thread to defend the botters on the list. They just know they can't have ever used hacks because they told them so themselves and they're good honest people and would never lie!!!! Omg anyone who says different is a mean vulture with no evidence.


Now you're caught up.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 12:22am by sonicmonkeys
#461 Oct 09 2007 at 11:26 PM Rating: Good
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Sirtebian,

I believe you are having difficulty assuming our position on this so please let me elaborate.

Assuming we took the initiative to lock or delete any thread relating to this incident, what kind of impact would it have on us?

We would be censoring something that people have the right to see.

Now, in this case there is only circumstancial evidence to support the list is authentic but there is no evidence to suggest the list is fabricated either.

Until we can determine one way or the other whether this is fully geniune or false we will not take any action here because we do not approve of censoring these kinds of touchy subjects.

If it were to turn out Taj was lying to everyone and he made the list up you would not see a thread like this on our site but until then it will remain open for discussion.

Thanks.


It's pretty blindingly obvious that this list is some emo kids idea of revenge. The history of Taj gives him enough motive to be made of pure spite. This site is basically an accessory to a grudge, if you guys are happy with facilitating someone else's revenge plot then by all means leave it open. I'm sure Taj is rubbing his hands in glee at the drama, it was pretty obviously his intention.

It's also pretty obvious that there are names on that list that didn't buy FFXIapp. As I've stated previously I've actually spoken to one of the names on the list from my server and the only thing he's done which vaguely relates to using hacks was joining the FFXIapp forums. Add to this the various other people who've stated cases to consolidate this(Hapernack, Lobi), and that's enough doubt in my mind. When you combine this with the fact that you're believing someone who has hacked, stolen and generally been a scumbag I find it hard to believe that there isn't total doubt about the authenticity of his claims.

You'd not actually be censoring by locking the thread by the way. You'd merely be putting an end to the debate, if it can be called that. Which is a pretty far stretch from reality. If you're that passionate about not "censoring" then make it a sticky, there it could be a gentle reminder of how ridiculous this whole episode is.

Or yeah, you could just lock it let it gently slide out of view and take away the potential for innocent people to be needlessly persecuted. If there's even one person who's been hassled wrongly as a result of this then that puts Alla in much more of a moral quagmire than the perceived notion that you're siding with cheaters, which is a complete load of ******** anyway IMHO.

I just thought I'd add this too: the majority of people who cheaters actually effect don't need a list to tell them who the scumbags are.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 6:00am by blowfin



@Bolded section: Hapernack and Lobi really have a lot of credibility right now, do they? One has a story that doesn't make a lick of sense and the other can't even reveal the name of his "friend" who only plays on PS2 but is on a list for downloading and using bots. And the guy told you that he only joined the FFXI App forums on your server? Wow, what a surprise! You're gullible as hell...

Just admit to yourself that most endgame players hack and bot now, it will save you a lot of grief in the long run.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 12:27am by sonicmonkeys
#462 Oct 09 2007 at 11:34 PM Rating: Default
But the big question is how many would buy the FFXI app program after this...
#463 Oct 10 2007 at 12:32 AM Rating: Decent
Not many. That company is prolly gonna go down the tubes.
#464 Oct 10 2007 at 12:45 AM Rating: Good
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Fayteless wrote:
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It's also pretty obvious that there are names on that list that didn't buy FFXIapp.


No one can determine this, but as of now it's considered evidence
of who purchased app. Notice the names who use the forums on app. They're
not enlisted. This means that he only listed the names of purchasement of app.


Problem is this:


Player A creates a mule account and buys the app (standard practice in many HNM shells is to run a claiming bot on a throwaway content ID)

Player B on annother server has the same name.

Player B shows up on FFXIah.com while Player A doesn't because the mule has never been to jeuno let alone used the jeuno AH.

Player B is persecuted despite not being a cheater.


Edited, Oct 10th 2007 4:46am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#465 Oct 10 2007 at 12:50 AM Rating: Decent
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sonicmonkeys wrote:



@Bolded section: Hapernack and Lobi really have a lot of credibility right now, do they? One has a story that doesn't make a lick of sense and the other can't even reveal the name of his "friend" who only plays on PS2 but is on a list for downloading and using bots.


See above post.

I'm not going to say who because I don't feel like putting a big red circle around his name so people can go harass him for fun.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 4:55am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#466 Oct 10 2007 at 12:58 AM Rating: Good
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Due to the fact I'm too lazy to weave through 9 pages of bullsh*t. Can anyone tell me the name of the artist and the tune that plays on that page?


The techno sounding song is L no Shisou by Taniuchi Hideki from the Death Note soundtrack.

I checked the source html of the website list, the mp3 title is listed there. LOL at Taj's humor... I just looked up Death Note on wikipedia...

"The series primarily centers around a high school student who decides to rid the world of evil with the help of a supernatural notebook that kills anyone whose name is written in it."

The creepy sounding song sung by a girl is Misa no Uta by Hirano Aya, also from the Death Note soundtrack. Taj has the 2 songs alternating, depending on the refresh of the page.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 9:10am by Aiantes
#467 Oct 10 2007 at 2:17 AM Rating: Decent
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lol FFXIAPP is down for database maintenance...

go figure... lawl
#468 Oct 10 2007 at 2:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Just admit to yourself that most endgame players hack and bot now, it will save you a lot of grief in the long run.


That's a huge overstatement. There's certain shells on our server that are known to be dodgey. The vast majority of other shells that participate in events are clean however. Not that any of this bothers me, I don't particularly care for Kings or any of that nonsense. I'd assume this would be the case amongst most servers. As I said, to people who've been around for a while, most of the names are no surprise.

You also mentioned the person who I'd spoken to. He joked that he should just go and get FFXIapp anyway now, because his name has basically been trashed.



Edited, Oct 10th 2007 10:19am by blowfin
#469 Oct 10 2007 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Then he hacked the web forum that players on his server used to get their account information and passwords. He had evidence they bought gil so he moved their characters to different servers, but did not drop all of their ra/ex equipment as many people say. Apparently he did drop/gave away items of the same gil value for what they bought gil for, or so the legend goes.

Basically, he fancies himself as an internet Robin Hood, hacking from the cheaters and giving to the poor or something like that. He also has a huge ego complex.



Regardless of listing or software others might have used, at this point this guys track recorded shows he is a "true" hacker. Sorry but I think he should be banned (yes I said it again) from ever posting at the website. Good in intent or not you are describing a person who is breaking federal laws and should be turned over to the authorities. Yep you want drama there it is...

Hacking is covered under law Title 18: Crimes and Criminal Procedure: Part 1: Crimes: Chapter 47: Fraud and False Statements: Section 1030: Fraud and related activity in connection with computers. The federal punishment for hacking into computers ranges from a fine or imprisonment for no more than one year to a fine and imprisonment for no more than twenty years.
#470 Oct 10 2007 at 2:52 AM Rating: Good
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Hapernack pays for a premium account on this godforsaken site. Why wouldn't he pay $20 for FFXIAPP? LOL


Although I have no proof if Hapernack is cheating or not, this is on the most failed piece of argument I have seen in this thread.

Can I say if you have 20 bucks to fill your car, then you have 20 bucks to buy cocaine?

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 10:14pm by scchan


Damn! Gotta get my car filled so I can go get some coke... umm what? You were saying? lol
#471 Oct 10 2007 at 3:09 AM Rating: Good
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Hapernack pays for a premium account on this godforsaken site. Why wouldn't he pay $20 for FFXIAPP? LOL


Although I have no proof if Hapernack is cheating or not, this is on the most failed piece of argument I have seen in this thread.

Can I say if you have 20 bucks to fill your car, then you have 20 bucks to buy cocaine?

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 10:14pm by scchan


Damn! Gotta get my car filled so I can go get some coke... umm what? You were saying? lol


Fill your car up with Cocaine.
#472 Oct 10 2007 at 3:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Regardless of listing or software others might have used, at this point this guys track recorded shows he is a "true" hacker. Sorry but I think he should be banned (yes I said it again) from ever posting at the website. Good in intent or not you are describing a person who is breaking federal laws and should be turned over to the authorities. Yep you want drama there it is...

Hacking is covered under law Title 18: Crimes and Criminal Procedure: Part 1: Crimes: Chapter 47: Fraud and False Statements: Section 1030: Fraud and related activity in connection with computers. The federal punishment for hacking into computers ranges from a fine or imprisonment for no more than one year to a fine and imprisonment for no more than twenty years.


Just because it's legal doesn't make it right, and just because it's illegal doesn't make it wrong.

What did he do here? He outed people who have bought a hack. He didn't post their POL IDs or passwords, he didn't post the credit card numbers used to buy the hacks, or break into their computers and post chatlogs of illicit mithra cyber.

He is toeing a line, though, and he is certainly trying to portray himself as a controversial hero. When he posted a list of people who didn't change their passwords, that was kinda messed up but didn't harm anyone. When he broke into people's accounts and stole their possessions and did server transfers, I believe he should be held accountable for that.

He's done good and he's done bad, but that's anyone.


Edited, Oct 10th 2007 7:10am by Dandruffshampoo
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#473 Oct 10 2007 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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While you guys are busy witch hunting the people using FFXIApp, calling a list of names "truth," and considering it "evidence," the people using Mr. Argus are probably laughing at you.

If not posting in this very thread perpetrating the witch hunt.

Or the other progs that few people even realize exist. Smiley: laugh
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#474REDACTED, Posted: Oct 10 2007 at 3:51 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Still not enough drama.
#475 Oct 10 2007 at 6:05 AM Rating: Good
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IfritsFreylin wrote:
scchan wrote:
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Hapernack pays for a premium account on this godforsaken site. Why wouldn't he pay $20 for FFXIAPP? LOL


Although I have no proof if Hapernack is cheating or not, this is on the most failed piece of argument I have seen in this thread.

Can I say if you have 20 bucks to fill your car, then you have 20 bucks to buy cocaine?

Edited, Oct 9th 2007 10:14pm by scchan


Damn! Gotta get my car filled so I can go get some coke... umm what? You were saying? lol


Fill your car up with Cocaine.


Fill it with coke? You better have good brakes....that car will be fast.

Disheartening to know that when I get to endgame I'm going to be continually outclaimed for everything by people that cheat.
I can understand why people do it. They REALLY want that bit of uber armour. What I don't understand is how they can feel any sense of accomplishment. It's not like they achieved anything by being good enough to do it honestly.
Like a friend of mine who used max ammo and invincible cheats on every PS2 game he bought. Would finish the game in 2 or 3 days, then rush through the next one. Where's the sense of achievement? That great feeling when you can sit back and say damn, I did good.
If you cheat, I don't think you're scum. I do however feel sorry for you missing out on the pleasure of knowing you earned your prizes.



Also can someone tell me what a sock is and what l;dr means?
#476 Oct 10 2007 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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So does this app log the character that is using it and send it back to their servers or something? If it doesn't, then this list is BS really. I could go on there and buy the app and just use a name of someone I disliked. I'd think anyone with half a brain wouldn't buy the thing with their real character name.

Edited, Oct 10th 2007 9:25am by Harri
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