Now I understand why people don't help with CoP missionsFollow

According to Pikko he just started.


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Edited, Sep 30th 2007 10:11pm by Darkdoom

2(3 if Kaolian likes ffxi) admins, + me and overburn? What's not to like.

Throwing stones in a glass house, etc.

Pots and kettles...

Dogs and cats living together...

If I go PLD/BLU to Jormungand, i'm not very prepared now, am I?

NO U

I know I saw something like this somewhere else on this site...
The inane subjobs, outrageous claims about melee prowess, claims of huge spirit taker damage.
Then I saw another thread by craftermath in the SMN forums, and it all came back to me.
Craftermath however does know about the SJ bug, as was shown when a resourceful SMN forum poster managed to find out their real ingame identity and posted a SS of them seeking as 75SMN/--.

It's a match made in heaven!

I think you are all being a bit harsh really. Yes I know about clefairy and her jobs but forget about that for a moment. She spent a lot of her time and gil helping people when she didn't have to. The people in her parties sound as if they were using her inappropriate sub to get away with their lack of strategy, items, meds, preparedness, whatever. Also the people in this thread are just bashing her sub instead of looking at the actual point of the post.

Let me just say it again with slightly different words: She didn't need these missions but she spent a lot of gil and time to help people do them. You don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I'm willing to bet her items more than made up for her gimp sub. If you don't believe me think about it: whm/blm with no items would not get laughed at, but whm/thf does, even though the whm/thf has mp regen drinks to probably more than offset the lack of mp from blm sub.

Something that I think people fail to realize is that there are other reasons to sub mage subs besides extra innate mp. Conserve MP and Auto-Refresh come to mind, which if you think about it add a lot more than 50 or so MP with the sub. Given, /blm definately has its limits, especially in BC fights, but with /smn you get things like shining ruby and aerial armor (I am familiar with no meds that give similar bonuses).

Secondly, what does being /thf bring to the table? She doesn't melee on bosses so no SA/TA. I guess you could Flee kite the boss for a little bit, but if your whm is kiting in promyvion your **** probably isn't going that hot anyway. Treasure hunter, I don't think I need to go on. Evasion bonus, which I know is why Anna /thf in BC fights, because she's tried to explain it before.

so 10ish evasion > 50ish mp and useful sub job abilities? I'm sorry for my lame math skillz, but does that add up to anyone else?



Have you ever heard that expression about a butterfly flapping its wings causing a tidal wave in japan or whatever? you know, basically how every little thing is connected and even the smallest action makes a huge impact on the world? Sometimes when someone in your party is gimp, you have to adjust your playstyle to accomodate for their gimpness, and sometimes, not all the time but sometimes, you have to make an adjustment that gimps you. Gimpness is contagious.

Don't expect just because someone is doing a mission that they're going to be fully medicated, especially if its a group /shouting for a mission. Unless you know the person shouting, don't expect anything. Some people, believe it or not can't afford to blow 80k on meds. Especially if say their highest job is 30 something and their experiencing the promies for the first time? Should it be the leader's responsibility to buy him meds or should he kick him out and find someone else because that 1 guy is gimp? And while your thinking about that, lets say it was standard practice to kick gimp people out of your party, how far do you think someone would get as whm/thf?



We don't do it for Anna, we do it for the people who read her posts and think "She's got some good ideas..."

Except it shouldn't take hours to climb a Promyvion if a certain WHM had her sh*t together, and wasn't running out of MP or getting hit with AoE attacks every 5 seconds.

Seriously, before this recent nerf, my old LS used to climb Promyvions in 45min flat. That's climbing the Promyvion -and- prepping for the ENM fight. Hours? Damn, what were you doing in there? Oh wait... you were resting on your knees after every other Cure III, weren't you?

I doubt that MNK had any idea that it was going to take Hours to do something that should have only taken an hour and a half tops. A Promyvion Climb + Boss should be done in 90 minutes flat, heck, maybe even sooner for a seasoned group. With being able to carry as many animas as you want now, this should be a true and utter joke. Last I checked, Animas are.. *gasp* 1-5k each on the AH. Just buy a bunch of them and go to town on the boss, and lock him down for the whole fight.

It may well be true that you only gain ES and drain, but it's still more than /thf offers. ES on its own, to make sure one enfeeble lands, or that your drain goes unresisted, is justification enough for it in a 30 cap event. I mean, if we're going to take that attitude, why bother getting subjobs at all? None of them offer that much to our main jobs, really.

OMFG!!! i can't believe anna came up here and ***** about it...

to clarify, i was in the failed promyvion-mea run...

quite a while ago, people in my ls is talking about she is subbing thf to her sam, i mentioned that well, sam/thf isn't that bad, at least you bring more gilz to the party. then another ls mate commented that maybe that's what anna the whm/thf has in mind...

that was the first time i heard about her, then when i saw my leader invited anna, i immediatedly sent a tell to my ls mate, saying that i finally met the whm/thf he talked about. he said, "anna? she is in your party? orz lol."

i didn't think much of that, and at first she does seem cool, seems to know a lot about the mission... so, in the promyvion-mea first level, before we head out, she asked everybody to follow her, stick together, no wandering around, etc etc. i thought, hey cool, lvl 75, rank 10 whm/thf... although i don't know her reasons for /thf, but at that point, i seriously thought she must pulled the whm job really well...

so, we ran up to the Memory Receptacle, killed the stray, and she whipped out her staff and started banging on the MR before me war/nin even engaged... so i quickly engaged and provoked and started to tank... anna encouraged the mages to engage and fight... so the mages got interupted by the stray, and couldn't cure me... i died...

i don't mind dieing, but it was stupid to die at level 1 MR. so after i got raised, we went ahead to lvl 2... i have a laptop right beside my screen, and honestly the promyvion is pertty easy to navigate, however, she refused to listen, and when i said, east, west she got pissed, and asked everyone to stop and regroup. she started a lecture about how leadership is important, and she is not trying to be bossy, but she just want to do this right....

really, at that point of time, i still thought she is pretty cool, and trying to get this organized. so, i submitted control, and tell her to lead away. at the second MR, i asked the mages to stay out of the MR, and focus on the cure. and then she said, it won't help, because the memory stream (the AoE, i am not sure if this is the name) AoE range is farther than cure range. i replied, "oh really, but at least they don't get aggro by stray, and their cure won't get interuptted. she then said, "i don't know if you have noticed this, but there's really not "back row" job in ffxi..."

now my faith about her playing skill started to shake...

on lvl 3, she had problem finding MR, but insisted everyone in following her, she claimed to have map, but according to the info on my laptop, she is virtually taking the longest route possible, which was fine, i am a patient person, and then she saw coveter... she said that is the NM, and we can definitely take it down... other member in my party didn't want to do the NM, and just want to finish the mission without side tracking. i thought, "hey, she has done this, she musht know what she is talking about" so i said to the party, (which i really regret) "hey if we can kill this that easily, we might as well do it."

well, you know what? i have never seen a whm who is so obssessed about engaging and whack the mob with her staff... she engaged, which usually cause her cure to be inefficient, well, we got wiped... she got up and insisted in trying again... but i know it's impossible, 'cos by the time we got wiped, coveter still has more than 50% hp... so this time i said, "hey, maybe we should just finish the mision..."

she agreed and we proceed to lvl4... she got aggroed, and that's not the first time she got aggroed either... i know it was going to take a big toll on the party if we engage, and i know she had rr on, so i said, don't engage, she can rr...

however, there's a JP (war/nin) in the party who couldn't understand what i said, so he quickly provoked and engage, which forced me to engage as well... and you know what... she dashed her way to the spiral of mea, and left the war out there with no main heal... so all the warrior died, the blm who stayed to cure died, the rdm who cured to no mp managed to zone...

and she came back to say, that's enough guys, it shouldn't take that long to voke it off me...

fine, i kept my mouth shut, so she came to raise, and then when she was healing for mp, she got aggroed and died .... at that time, my faith about her lvl75 rank10 veteran player was totally shuttered... i got on ls chat and asked if anna was bad player... the reply was, yah, everybody in garuda knows about it... -_-;;;

well, so we got into the spiral of mea, and then she started to talk about strategy, at that time she realized that the blm only has 1 psychoanima, and then she started lecturing, some in capital letters... the blm got pissed, 'cos she didn't know we needed to bring hysteroanima, and she only heard about psychoanima... i said, "hey, we are already here, let's not aruge about this, because there's nothing we can change about it, and we can totally deal this with 11/12 anima."

she then went on to say that she hates people with "deal with it" attitude, because it's wrong that we didn't come prepared... she went on and on until the blm got mad and started cussing her...

anna literally ran behind the stairs in spiral of mea, sat there, and said, "no appologies, no whm..." oh my god, i then /tell anna, can i appologize for the blm, and at the same time, i tried to calm the blm down and told her about anna. the blm knew about anna (god, am i the only person in garuda that doesn't know anna?), and the blm is only there because the pt leader asked her to come.

so, i appologized to anna in /t, and calm the blm down. and at the same the the jp warrior /t me to ask what is going on... i could only say, "whm /angry"

god, i dished my pride in the toilet and **** on it only because i don't want people to fight unconstructively, and i want to get this mission done. so, i asked if they can both be quiet, let me do that talking. they agreed and we proceeded into the NM fight....

now... i really don't understand what's anna's need in whipping out her staff... mages should /heal while the nm is intimidated, but she didn't... anyway, we lost, and she blamed me for calling the anima in a stupid manner... the pt leader got tired of her, and said, "com'on, stop blaming other people, it's like blaming yourself for not having a sensible subjob..."

well, i asked anna to leave, and asked other pt member if they would stay, and this time i would lead.... they all said if anna is gone, they will stay...

we proceeded to finish 3 promyvion mission as the same party... and used very little anima... always win with hp and mp to spare...

without anna, everything went well...

the reason why people don't want to help with CoP is because, 1st getting low lvl equip lots of meds, and time to organize runs is really painful...

but the most painful thing is that you expose yourself to very self righteous yet, not really that amazing players all the time....

sorry for the long post... but i just need this out... 'cos anna is unbelievable.... legendary garuda player....

Why is it that I was expecting the Promyvion to have really been the way Mkk says?