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I am sure that it was explained in an earlier post on how a .zip file can be used to launch a program. It might have well been someone just conferming it is possible too, I dont rightly recall.

While I am not expressly sure if this applies but I do know that a few years back there was a case dealing with child pornography and the fact that the person obtained it from overseas servers. It was ruled that under current US law that while yes child pornography is illegal that they could do nothing to the company that was selling the photographs because the servers nor the company were US based.

SE is not a US based company and their servers are not in the US so I will wager a guess that US law applies no more to them then does it to the case involving the pornography.

There have also been a number of cases where identity theft has occured through computers and servers in other countries and the investigating team from the FBI eventually had to drop the charges becuase they were powerless to go after the criminals.

US law or any countries laws only work inside that country, just because you or I live in the US does not mean in any way that those laws apply to anyone living outside the country regardless of wether or not we are using a service that they provide.

SE does provide protection against ID theft, it might not be very good but if it meets the standard in Japan (the country SE is based in) then i'm sure there is very little that can be done about it legally.

From a political standpoint I doubt there is a court in the US that would see a case dealing with a Japanese based company. For starters who is going to make them send a lawyer to the US for it, are you going to fly there and tell them to come. A court here could send a sepeena but it would mean little to them simply because they would recieve no legal reprocushion for not showing up. I am sure nothing in their laws state that they must attend court in the United States or any other country just because that country might want them to. If by chance they happen to be breaking Japanese law then you could most likley sue them for it but not before then.

At most if a court in the US made a ruling against SE they would have to discontinue service to the US accounts and stop selling their product here, no court is going to do that just to help you out. There is to much money in taxes and terrifs for them to care about a few gamers.

Think of it another way. It is legal to smoke pot in Amsterdam, there are companies in Amsterdam that will mail it to you. If you live in the US and place and order for some it will be caught by costomes and not sent through. You will most likley see some police officers within a few days of that but the US is powerless to go after the company in Amsterdam. What they did was completly legal where they are. You just happen to have used their service and it not worked for you.

I really do hope that the OP gets his account back and I do feel that SE should be more responsible for such things but looking at it if they don't want to do anything about it then there isn't much that can be done. I'm sure they have a good team of lawyers that have already looked at these situations long ago and made sure that they couldn't be held responsible for such things.

Best that any of us can do is complain to them and when it threatens to hurt their profits they will do something about it, untill then I do not hold out much hope for changes.

That is all from me, good luck, I am going to go to sleep.

No it wasn't, nothing of the kind. Someone made the assertion that:


Which is not true, the poster clearly doesn't understand the details of how these client demos he refers to are constructed. I suspect these demos are probably self-extracting archives which will be .EXEs not .ZIPs.

I re-state, THE MERE ACT OF UNZIPPING A .ZIP ARCHIVE CANNOT, BY ITSELF, CAUSE A PROGRAM TO BE EXECUTED, the standard ZIP specification provides for no such ability and nothing posted in this thread demonstrates otherwise. Using something like InfoZIP's freeware UNZIP32 for example this cannot happen.

Unless more details are given about just what program was used to unpack it then it isn't possible to understand how this alleged exploit took place.

Edited, May 17th 2007 7:51am by Kragorn

Interesting, if you google MrWildRabbitRadar you get a bunch of links to a website yy33.kakiko.com and sakura01.bbspink.com.. and it looks like a CGI script. There is mention of Trojan-Spy.Win32.agent.pn If you google it.. it would probably be a bad idea to click the links, it may be something from a AV report or spyware report. Better to be safe than sorry.

Googling Trojan-Spy.Win32.agent.pn shows that it is a recognized password keylogger that looks like it was added to the lists just a few weeks ago. Be careful out there and run your spyware checkers often.

As strong as I stand on my previous points, that is just depressing to see. Sorry Hiro. I do hope SE does something for you.

Dude, sorry to hear what happened, but the f*ckers are selling your expensive stuff now. I was gonna blast them for you, but they aren't online....

http://www.ffxiah.com/player.php?id=352002&sid=4

Wonder if SE can track who the gil is traded to after they get the gil from the inbox. I'm sure they won't be sending the gil since you can only send 1mil, but if they trade the gil I doubt that is tracked.

Yes you should take every means to protect your self. but you people that are excuseing theft and don't care about if SE does any thing when they have the power to are callous bastards that seriously need to reevaluate thier ethics.

Everytiime I read one of those responses I thought of the case of a woman who took a short cut down a dark alley to get to a club and was raped. People actually said "she was stupid" "She shouldn't of done that" No, the guy shouldn't of raped her. In this case these people should not of conspired to take advantage of people to steal thier characters.

Some of you people need to reevaluate a quote

The Greatest evil in life is when good men do nothing.

SE needs to look at that quote too.

She may not have been stupid, but it was her decision to head that way. Could she have prevented it, yes, did she know that, probably not. Was the rapist innocent? Definitely not. This argument is ridiculous because you are apparantly trying to make a point of SE needing to take responsibility for something someone did, but how does SE relate to your rapist argument? Is SE the rapist? SE is NOT the criminal here, and they shouldn't be treated like one. Is their decision to sit idley by and do nothing illegal? No. Immoral? yes, probably. Do I think it's the right thing to do? No, I don't, and I do hope they take care of Hiro, as I stated above. It's a shitty thing to happen to someone, and I would like to see SE comp Hiro in some way, but I still don't believe it's their responsibility to do so.

And where the bloody hell did ANYONE excuse theft? I think everyone reading this thread wants to see the RMT's and account thiefs disappear. No one here is supporting the thief. No one here condones his actions. Think dude, that's why god gave you a brain. Use it, or go hop in the shower with a hair dryer.

Use YOUR brain, think. Did I accuse you of saying SE was a criminal? No, I simply asked if that was what you were implying. I also agreed that their actions are immoral/unethical. Also, How can you say it's a fact? They are not supporting the criminal at all. They are just not taking sides. They aren't supporting anyone. The criminal is the criminal regardless. Downplay it, upplay it, stick it in your bum, it doesn't matter, he's the one guilty. No one here is arguing that. The whole situation could have been avoided however by the victim using better judgement. I am not holding the victim responsible for the actions of others, but for his own actions. I also hold the thief responsible for his actions. Difference being the victims actions got him screwed over, and the criminal's actions are illegal, but Hiro is not being blamed for what the thief did.


edit: typo

Edited, May 17th 2007 11:22am by Daboder

I have heard of a case in Ragnarok ending with the 'victim' in question having regained control of his character successfully with all rare/ex items intact, though the gil and tradable items were gone. I suppose that would be the best that can be done given the implications of the items being sold to 'legitimate' buyers.
However, this wasn't a friend of mine but a person I know of, so the relevance is somewhat questionable...

In any case, I'm very sorry to hear what happened and I wish you all the best Hiro. Don't give up hope and keep trying.