The Melee SMN debate ends today:Follow

Fair enough, if creating a second account is against the ToS, then he/she deserved the ban.

I'm nitpicking obviously, probably because I'm bored at work and have nothing better to do.

We'll just agree to disagree on the OP's humour quotient and move on, which is how it should have been in the first place, no other actions were warranted, but again, we'll agree to disagree on that as well.

Oh c'mon now... the fact that you had the time to come into this thread, read the OP, complain about it, edit it, and explain yourself time and time again indicates you're just as bored as I am.

This isn't a full time job after all... either you're unemployed and collecting a cheque from the government, living off your parents, or sitting at a desk at an office with nothing better to do than to continue refreshing the page to see what will be said next. :p

We're not that different you and I, I'm sure... ;)

Great job OP I enjoyed it =^.^=

The story was truely a Legendary Thread. It's just sad that the rest of the thread turned into a debate. I find the current PC trend to be utterly sad, as well. A whole bunch of people getting offended because someone else may get offended. One day we will all be confined to locked cells where we will not be able to communicate to anyone ever again if this keeps up. I give it another 8 years at the current rate. But hey, at least no one will get their feelings hurt. Can't wait.

I had to laugh at this part.

I can't let that post slide.

First of all, I can only think of one person who even used the word "offended" or any variation of it to describe their reaction. It's more, "why the hell did he decide to add THAT to the story?". It's not as simple as "he used that word" or "he's talking about me", it's "Why put that in there?". Because some of us feel that a person who does that is a person who has that in their heart. Without knowing the OP, or having some other context to draw from (whatever that could be...) I don't think it's ridiculous at all to question the OP about his personal attitudes.

The second part of that paragraph is a much too commonly held attitude, and I've heard it since the Civil Rights era. Just because someone doesn't have a title to you, like a car, doesn't mean you are free or equal in this society (In the United States).
It's every bit as ignorant to say that race doesn't matter today as it would be to say that nothing has changed in 200 years.
I wish it weren't the case, but it is, and the people who cry Foul! didn't make it this way, and aren't keeping it this way. In large part, it's people who think like you do - you aren't slaves, you can vote, you can work, what's the problem? - that help keep it this way.

So you look around and Hip-Hop is ruling the charts, Oprah rules daytime TV, Barack Obama is one of the favorites to win the White House, Michael Jorden, Tiger Woods, The Williams Sisters, Dave Chapelle, Denzel Washington, etc...
SIGNS of progress.

This is like saying "Well, the Indians have Casinos." It would be retarded to think THAT solved all the problems, but still, at least you got that. At least you got something.



That depends on your expectations. It depends on a lot of things.

Jerry Seinfeld voice: "So the other daaay, I was out in my SUMMONER outfit, and these three NEGROES came walking up to meeee..."

Jerry Seinfeld would be out of a job.

Jerry Seinfeld voice again: "So the other daaay, I was out in the park, and this GUYY, who's DRESSED UP in a SUMMONER outfit, comes up to me and goes, "Stand back! There are Negroes after me!" <pause> And I'm thinking to myself, "......Negroes?". And he's got this stick, this, this, shepherd's staff, and the guy starts POKING these guys with it."

Jerry Seinfeld is not out of a job. But people do wonder why Jerry Seinfeld felt he had to go THERE to be funny.

The very simple question that arose from the original post was: Is this representative of the author's attitude? Because I find it hard to believe that anyone who doesn't hold those kinds of attitudes would repeat it, even as a joke, about anyone.

So the OP posted later on - 3 pages later - that it was supposed to be a train wreck of jerks. Fine. Good. But it's disturbing that so many people are willing to accept that, just write it off as humor, without knowing. Would it have been disturbing if the OP had instead replied, "Yeah, that's what I think of black people. So?"

But anyway, on the subject of humor:



ROFL. The most unintentionally funny line in this thread. I haven't heard the term "peckerwood" since Word Association with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor.
Someone sign Mr. Self Important up for his own forum before he blows up.

Best.Story.Evar!

on a side note, what is actually WRONG with someone is afraid of blacks? The majority of incarcerated individuals are of colored ethnicities. Its a very common fear, and a common thing(that doesn't mean it right though).

Hell, I"m afriad of spiders...are you gonna bash and flame me because of that?
No, if its a fear we can't do anything about it, lay off.

And no, their not african americans...
How many black people do you know right now that are from africa?
The person themselves, not their ancestorys. I live in america and am an american by all means though my anscestors range from irish to indian(native) to persian. Does that make me an irish american? or a Persian-american? No.
None will be your answer(in most cases), and if you do, they are just plain africans, over here on a work visa(getting their citizenship perhaps) or as an exchange student. If your going to be politically correct folks, BE politically correct, get the facts straight.

And the thing that really gets me, is all you folks that say he is being rascist are INFACT being rascist in their ploy to call him out.

"Smalltown rascist hick"

So....all small towns are full of hicks?
So....all hicks are rascist?
So....hick isn't a derogerory word at all, right?

Hypocrite much?

If your gonna call someone out, or flame them, do it with some style and flair. IF your gonna call someone out and try to shame them and use your smarts and political correcty-ness, then do it with INTELLIGENCE....

I guess we all can't tarus.....

Edited, May 5th 2007 8:11am by Drawz

Edited, May 5th 2007 8:13am by Drawz

*waah Racicm is bad because words hurt me*

Sure, but no one has any problem making fun of the Chinese, the Japanese, or even the Jewish (who were enslaved by the Egyptians for twice as long as the Africans were enslaved by Americans).

Bottom line is, I never owned any slaves, neither have my parents, or their parents... hell, at the time slavery was abolished in the United States, my ancestry was in Poland, Russia, Germany, France... oh dear God, don't get me started on the "Pollack" jokes.

When did it suddenly become okay to say "Well we can't make ingenuous racist remarks towards this and that nationality/creed/religion/etc but everyone else is ok."? To steal a line from (of all places) South Park: Either all of it is okay or none of it is.

It's not like he was even intending to be racist for racism's sake; it was merely flavor added to the context of the thread. I can almost guarantee you that if he had went with Jews or Pollacks, no one would have cared at all.

If you're so /butthurt that words on a screen that weren't even malintentioned cause you physical stress and harm, the internet is not for you. Neither is television. Neither is anything outside of your own front door.

Edited, May 5th 2007 10:33am by Mikhalia

Godwin's law ftmfw lol.

i dont think you can classify this as a highly sensitive racist based story, everyday on sitcoms you see jokes about Jews, Blacks, Red-necks etc...

i was wathcing "the war at home", constant remarks of the male lead being jewish, and come backs about the catholic church, for every one person that takes these jokes as full blown racism there are ten more that respond to it in a light hearted manner, racism is a subtle subject.

But would the OP have described the thugs as being white-trash, or red necks, would the need for censorship still be there?....

Im not racist at all btw, i wont claim to know XXX black people, or my dad was 1/4 african or whatever because that isnt the case, i think the people who took this as a serious accusation of racial slander, should just lighten up a bit, the world is already dark enough.

Not so fast.

Instead of Jerry Seinfeld, let's say it's Steve Martin instead. Or perhaps Dan Akroyd. Or Bill Murray. Those guys COULD tell a story like this, and not necessarily have people wondering about them. They have a history in delving into material like this. Jerry Seinfeld does not. Jerry Seinfeld would be explaining himself.

On the other side of things, imagine this was Bill Cosby. Or Will Smith.
Yes, they would be out of a job. Bill Cosby would not be selling pudding pops after that. Will Smith....well, when your movies always gross 100 million+ people get kinda funny, but he'd be under the same scrutiny as Mel Gibson. People would be going, "Damn, Will Smith really does think he's from Bel Air."

Let me spin this another way -

What if President Bush told this story? What if Hillary Clinton told this story?
How about Oprah Winfrey? Condoleeza Rice? Barack Obama?

Oops, almost forgot:



HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT? How about, if you're so /butthurt that you can't take having your words challenged, don't talk? It's just a discussion.



Edited, May 5th 2007 1:57pm by Turnerbrown

Edited, May 5th 2007 2:08pm by Turnerbrown

I disagree. While I'm not a big reader of Racist lit, the snippets I've come across in various places over the years suggest that yes, they would. The hardcore groups at least. Perhaps not the general population of bigots tho.



Yeah...three pages later, we "know" that. Maybe it was a literary device. But generally speaking, you write what you know, and choosing that as a "literary device" suggests that it IS your personal belief.

So you tell me I'm mistaken, I've misunderstood the intent - that's fine. I believe you. But most people haven't done that, they've just swarmed the /butthurt bandwagon like you shouldn't even raise the issue.

Literary devices.....We have to show breasts in movies, it's a literary device. We have to have people cursing every other word, it's a literary device. We have to resort to the lowest form of humor possible, it's a literary device.
It CAN be. But more often than not, it's just lazy. We don't give a ****.

You wouldn't accept this from your leaders, you wouldn't accept this from your parents (I hope...), or anyone you looked up to. But we accept it from each other. Makes no sense to me.




Edited, May 5th 2007 2:44pm by Turnerbrown