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#402 Sep 17 2006 at 8:28 PM Rating: Default
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#403 Sep 17 2006 at 10:50 PM Rating: Good
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Im glad to see there is alot of speculation going around.

Mine finally raised to sub standard strengh and substandard endurance. Im now convincend that throwing alot of gil to the food to get at slight improve is just not worth it. Im gonna safe that for the next gen chocobo.

The care plans are obviously the way to go.

When it hits adult phase im going to use delivering messages to boost strengh and use my daily check to get back that affection i lost with it.

I do agree that we wont get chocobos now that will out run the ones we rent. But thats ok for me, i just hope we can call it and mount it in areas like Qufim or Beacedine etc etc. Altho i believe a weather preference is needed for that. Does anyone has a weather preference yet?
#404 Sep 18 2006 at 4:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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GimliNL wrote:
Im glad to see there is alot of speculation going around.

Mine finally raised to sub standard strengh and substandard endurance. Im now convincend that throwing alot of gil to the food to get at slight improve is just not worth it. Im gonna safe that for the next gen chocobo.

The care plans are obviously the way to go.

When it hits adult phase im going to use delivering messages to boost strengh and use my daily check to get back that affection i lost with it.

I do agree that we wont get chocobos now that will out run the ones we rent. But thats ok for me, i just hope we can call it and mount it in areas like Qufim or Beacedine etc etc. Altho i believe a weather preference is needed for that. Does anyone has a weather preference yet?


I loves mah speculatin'.

Agreeing on the food part. However I do note that on any 'perky' days the food seems to have a good enough effect to make it worth it. I don't have any strong evidence of this, but stats have always changed on perky days when the chocobo was fed, and not before then. Almost as if the ones I raise need to be perky before feeding will really 'do anything'.

As for calling Chocobos in Qufim or Glacier... I don't think we'll get the snow areas... maybe the others though. Somewhere I think it was implied that we would ride them in the same places we always ride them, unfortunately. Its a little disappointing, but still useful depending on how much of a hurry/danger you are in. For lower levels, finishing your last trip through Dunes(if you're the type that still stays there until 20) or your Jungles party and just calling your Chocobo to get back would be good.

What I really wonder is the price of the Whistle. Somehow I don't think it is going to be so expensive that we will mind it too much. It has 25 charges if I remember correctly. If it costs 5000 gil that's 200 gil a ride. I'd use it before Crag chocobo on most weekends, especially if I wasn't directly near the Crag when I wanted to go somewhere. Sometimes the price of Chocobos at a crag gets high enough that a Whistle would have to cost over 15k before regular renting is better. After the cost of raising them I doubt it will be that much.

No more riding past occasional NM in the middle of nowhere... no more leaving dead people on the road (just charge them for 1/25 of your whistle cost if you want, that's fair enough) and BEST of all, no more walking out of Ordelle's Caves/Davoi/Oztroja/etc and having to walk back. For most things, a whistle would have to be more expensive than a Warp Cudgel for me to not use it constantly, and I bet that, just like an Empress or Chariot band, it can be recharged whenever convenient instead of just when it runs out.

Actually once I get this I am probably going to care a lot less about where my Home Point is...

Edited, Sep 18th 2006 at 8:45am EDT by Risae
#405 Sep 18 2006 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
Day 27
Srength went up to A bit deficient.
Endurance went up to Substandard

The rest is the same... I've been feeding 2 vomp carrots since it changed to teen and also just carry packages... What i've noticed is that he drops packages a lot because he's in a hurry... not sure if that affects only your gil reward or the stat increases...

#406 Sep 18 2006 at 6:42 AM Rating: Decent
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It affects your gil reward, and presumably, your stat increase. I know that mine usually does well and gets 200gil. Once, however, it was in a hurry and dropped some packages, thus rewarding me 100gil. Mine has opposite physicals stats than yours, which probably makes the difference; a bit deficient endurance and substandard strength.
#407 Sep 18 2006 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Hit day 19 today, and my choco is a yellow choco with black tips :)

I sure hope that's a good sign of a different colored chocobo. I just used the egg I obtained from the quest in Jeuno.
#408 Sep 18 2006 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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I have always asumed that food was not really important as well. However, I no longer think this. I was able to change my stats twice using food. Now I still think Care Plans are more important, but I think it is way to soon to dismiss the effect of the correct/wrong foods. What happened with my chocobo:

Care Plans since it was possible: Listen to Music
Day 9 - 17 enigmatic personality
Main feed: carrot paste, occasionally vege paste & Zegham carrots

Day 16: Receptivity went to Substandard, fed paste + Zegham carrot.

Day 17: Recetivity still Substandard, choco is starving feed 1 carrot paste. After feeding I checked my stats and Receptivity was back to poor, as was everything else. Choco still enigmatic. My chocobo was not perky and receptive to anything I gave it today.

Day 18: (Notice I had listened to music completed this day and my chocobo still did not regain the stat from that evil carrot paste) 9 straigt days of enigmatic personality stoped today as well. Gained sensitive personality and Discernment went to Substandard. Decided that carrot paste was no longer a viable feed option so I fed 2 Zegham carrots, checking stats after each one. After the first Carrot another stat change; Receptivity went back up to Substandard and Discernment stayed as Substandard, still sensitive personality.

It seems to be a direct cause and effect situation with that carrot paste I had fed my chocobo, right after feeding it I lost my stat. I did not gain this stat back after Listening to Music, and it allowed me to raise the other mental stat. I'm pretty sure I would have gained this stat regardless of what I fed chocobo because the two mental stats seem to raise very close to each other. But after leaving my chocobo with no stats it was able to gain a new personsality once the other mental stat was raised.

Personalities & Attributes:
Ill tempered --> most likely stat to raise firt: strength
Patient --> most likely stat to raise first: Endurance
Enigmatic --> most likely stat to raise first: Receptivity
Sensitive --> most likely stat to raise first: Discernment
#409 Sep 18 2006 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
Does anyone know what time the new care day begins? I had my choco resting for 3 days while I was away and it's starving. I've been on site waiting for the new day to begin so I can help the little lady out.

Thanks
#410 Sep 18 2006 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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The new day is the exact same time that you originally gave the caretaker the egg.
#411 Sep 18 2006 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
I actually recieved 400 for the carry package thing the last time I did this. Not really sure as to why, is that what you recieve when your choco arrives on time? Because I could have sworn the max was like 200 and 100 if it was in a rush and dropped some.
#412 Sep 18 2006 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Kriptex wrote:
I have always asumed that food was not really important as well. However, I no longer think this. I was able to change my stats twice using food. Now I still think Care Plans are more important, but I think it is way to soon to dismiss the effect of the correct/wrong foods. What happened with my chocobo:

Care Plans since it was possible: Listen to Music
Day 9 - 17 enigmatic personality
Main feed: carrot paste, occasionally vege paste & Zegham carrots

Day 16: Receptivity went to Substandard, fed paste + Zegham carrot.

Day 17: Recetivity still Substandard, choco is starving feed 1 carrot paste. After feeding I checked my stats and Receptivity was back to poor, as was everything else. Choco still enigmatic. My chocobo was not perky and receptive to anything I gave it today.

Day 18: (Notice I had listened to music completed this day and my chocobo still did not regain the stat from that evil carrot paste) 9 straigt days of enigmatic personality stoped today as well. Gained sensitive personality and Discernment went to Substandard. Decided that carrot paste was no longer a viable feed option so I fed 2 Zegham carrots, checking stats after each one. After the first Carrot another stat change; Receptivity went back up to Substandard and Discernment stayed as Substandard, still sensitive personality.

It seems to be a direct cause and effect situation with that carrot paste I had fed my chocobo, right after feeding it I lost my stat. I did not gain this stat back after Listening to Music, and it allowed me to raise the other mental stat. I'm pretty sure I would have gained this stat regardless of what I fed chocobo because the two mental stats seem to raise very close to each other. But after leaving my chocobo with no stats it was able to gain a new personsality once the other mental stat was raised.

Personalities & Attributes:
Ill tempered --> most likely stat to raise firt: strength
Patient --> most likely stat to raise first: Endurance
Enigmatic --> most likely stat to raise first: Receptivity
Sensitive --> most likely stat to raise first: Discernment


From the main web site on chocobo raising,

"Vomp Carrots boost physical stats"
"Zegham Carrots boost mental stats"

Carrot paste is made from vomp carrots.

That's why your chocobos mental stats went back down when you feed it carrot paste and up when you fed it zegham carrots.

When your chocobo right at the border of going up or down, a carrot or two can push him either way, so be very cafeful what you feed him when it's right at the edge.
#413 Sep 18 2006 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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Today my Chocobos Discernment/Receptivity stats went up to "A bit deficient". Can anyone tell me what deficient means? :P I'm Swedish.

Finally met the other Chocobo trainer in Tahrongi today for the first time. Hopefully I can get the story soon. :)
#414 Sep 18 2006 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Morquendii, I understand why my stat went down - now, but that wasn't the point of my post. That little experience (at least to me) showed several things:

-Food does make a difference, one listening to music was not enough to erase my food choice, at least not completely.
-Food does not just give + stats, it also gives - stats
-Shows the possibility for chics to change personality and stats (using proper foods .. obviously you would chose walking for physical and music for mental, but each those has 2 sub options, food can help to get the one you want the most perhaps?). (Notice: this is specifically changing personality before the more specialized care options are available)
-When it was fed the paste, my chocobo was in normal spirits, not perky. Many people pay special attention to perky days and feed it the 'best' food. Perhaps perky days does affect the chocobo more, but on normal days there is still a chance for a noticeable change.
#415 Sep 18 2006 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
Thanks
#416 Sep 18 2006 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
Deficient means that it doesn't have what it should.
-adjective
1. lacking some element or characteristic; defective: deficient in taste.
2. insufficient; inadequate: deficient knowledge.

I'm deficient in gil. >L>
#417 Sep 18 2006 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Kriptex wrote:


Personalities & Attributes:
Ill tempered --> most likely stat to raise firt: strength
Patient --> most likely stat to raise first: Endurance
Enigmatic --> most likely stat to raise first: Receptivity
Sensitive --> most likely stat to raise first: Discernment


I think your on to something there! my choco now has "a bit deficient" str and still sub standard end with ill tempered personality. I train him with plans and activities that increase both equally, but str is doing better for some reason...


I definitely think that is what personalities are for, not breeds! ANSWERS AT LAST!!!

Edit: I'll leave my post there for reference... but i forgot i had him on the excercise alone care plan today! D'oh!!! I still think it is a solid theory though.

Edited, Sep 18th 2006 at 9:27pm EDT by Grenfang
#418 Sep 18 2006 at 3:33 PM Rating: Decent
hey, i've been wondering, my stats havent changed, but i know why, its because i didnt realize the whole cancleing out facter with the care schedual till around day 18 so yea didnt start concentrateing on one stat till then, so i'm not to curiouse about that,but my choco still doesnt have a personality, its on day 25, i fed it vege past till it hit teen years, and now i feed it about three sandy carrots a day, my care schedual, consists of takeing walks around town, carrying packages, and exersizeing alone, any ideas why it hast gotten one yet?
#419 Sep 18 2006 at 3:43 PM Rating: Default
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Edited, Oct 3rd 2006 at 9:56am PDT by pdragonfly
#420 Sep 18 2006 at 3:50 PM Rating: Default
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#421 Sep 18 2006 at 6:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Mine got a personality on like day 14 of patient, I had been feeding her a lot of San d'Orian carrots as I hated forking out a fortune for other carrots. And she got the patient personality even though her endurance is poor, obviously Sandy carrots do affect endurance.
She's now a adolescent an ordinary white tipped one, raised at Windurst from the slightly warm egg which was bought.

Did those who got black tipped chocobo's mostly feed theirs Vomp carrots?
#422 Sep 18 2006 at 6:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Did those who got black tipped chocobo's mostly feed theirs Vomp carrots?


i personaly dont think that color has anything to do with food, now yes it may but i mean i feed my chco the same as a lot of otheres, and i got a purple tiped choco when they got a white tiped choco, so really i dont know, it might raise the chances, but even by feeding it certain foods i dont think it will give you a colored choco, like i said in my last post all i fed mine was vege past till it was a teen, and then i fed it sandy carrots, i think people are just spending a lot of gil over nothing.

Edited, Sep 18th 2006 at 10:33pm EDT by ChocoMan
#423 Sep 18 2006 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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The third Chocobo I am raising has the blue/violet/indigo/purple tips. It is sensitive. This chocobo has been on a two carrot diet for a little while and has been exerted less than the other two.
#424 Sep 19 2006 at 6:17 AM Rating: Good
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Well, I had what I would call a big crop of both Vomp and Zegham carrots yesterday and can't wait to get home and harvest my cupid worm crop. It seems that they take a day longer than the carrots.

Anyway, to all of you out there who want to try your hand a growing these instead of paying 10-8k per carrot, here you go and good luck.

Vomp-brass pot, wildgrass seed, planted on darksday, fed earth crystal on lightsday, and harvested on lightsday. I got 42 carrots out of 10 pots. Along with some crystals and a yellow stone!

Zegham-brass pot, wildgrass seeds, planted on darksday, fed ice crystal on lightsday, and harvested on lightsday. I got 34 carrots some crystals and little worms.

I'll let you know how my cupid worms turn out, I planted and fed them on the same days as the carrots, not sure if I will beable to harvest on lightsday or not.

I put them up on the AH last night at a reduced price to try and help out someother players. When I got up this morning, they had sold! but at the sme price as the history :(

I know that there are some gardeners who might get mad at this post, but you guys have had almost a full month to make your gil, its time to let the community in on the secret.
#425 Sep 19 2006 at 6:19 AM Rating: Good
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Kriptex wrote:


Personalities & Attributes:
Ill tempered --> most likely stat to raise firt: strength
Patient --> most likely stat to raise first: Endurance
Enigmatic --> most likely stat to raise first: Receptivity
Sensitive --> most likely stat to raise first: Discernment



I think your on to something there! my choco now has "a bit deficient" str and still sub standard end with ill tempered personality. I train him with plans and activities that increase both equally, but str is doing better for some reason...


I definitely think that is what personalities are for, not breeds! ANSWERS AT LAST!!!

Edit: I'll leave my post there for reference... but i forgot i had him on the excercise alone care plan today! D'oh!!! I still think it is a solid theory though.


It makes sense do to stats, but I would think enigmatic would lean more towards discernment and sensitivity towards receptivity if you look at the meaning of the words. I dont think that having a hard time determining what your enigmatic chocobo is thinking would relate to receptivity that well... but the stats do back your theory up, i have substandard receptivity and my choco is enigmatic...

!!!! Please Read !!!!

Also, someone said previously that he/she didnt think any of the chocobos would be colored first genereation... and i was like how could you think that with all of the different colored tips?!? I dont know if they explained why they didnt in their post, because i couldnt find it again, but it occured to me that like in real genetics, the ressesive trait usually isnt completely hidden by the dominant trait!

So.... the different color feathers are just the effects of the ressesive trait on the overall color allel. So, my new theory, based on the picture of all the different color birds, is that only the brown adolescent bird will turn into a colored chocobo!

If you have a yellow choco with black feather tips now... your genetics for the color allel will be (Yb) and in order to get a black chocobo you would need to get the allel to (bb), so you would breed that chocobo with another chocobo with black tips and hope they both pass on their ressesive trait! Same with the other colors: yellow with purple tips (Yp) for a brown adolescent and a purple grown chocobo (yes i realize they didnt implement the purple chocobo yet...) you need (pp).

What do ya think? ^^

Edit: MrTickTock did a similar post in more detail on the previous page which i didnt finish reading cause it was really long ^^

Edited, Sep 19th 2006 at 10:43am EDT by Moritaru
#426 Sep 19 2006 at 6:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Moritaru, that makes perfect sense to me, you may be onto something there!
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