I support gil buying.Follow

"In the end RMT will lose, and RMT will lose big time."

Sorry, no it wont. MMORPG money trade is a HUGE business, as long as mmorpg's are round so will rmt.

Sorry but thats just the way its going ot be.

The only way it wont if developers start to put more content in the game and stop artificially lengthening the game by makeing farming the number one past time in the game or stop making it that only people with 40+ hours a week to play the game are the only ones that can really get all the good stuff they wanted. (a bit exagerrated but you get the point)

To be successful in ffxi you have to have alot of time to play it, I dont think anyone can argue that this game isnt a time sink. So that means the casual gamer that wants to play to enjoy the game ends up not enjoying it because they seem to always be farming not to be gimp and spends little time advancing. This is where the rmt market levels the playing field so to speak.

So only real way to fight it is to have the developers lvl the playing field. Now what type of game that will be who knows, or how can that be done and keep the game enjoyable again, who knows.

but for know, rmt is here to stay, and SE supports it behind a curtain. the proof is there, just hard to read.

SE makes alot of money because of rmt, their accounts. Its like a politician getting money from a shady source, they know its wrong but if hidden enough, they know that money will help them be successful in elections and in politics.

MMORPG money trade is a *not* a HUGE business compared to the actual business of selling the mmorpg game itself. And the fact is for every dollar IGE makes, SE loses many more dollars. You're trying to argue something akin that Los Angeles street gangs counterfeiting money will succeed against the Treasury government of the United States.

MMORPG companies generate the revenue and the power. It's just a matter of time before they realize that IGE is negatively effecting their bottom line. SE, though slow, has recognized this and begun major measures to crack down on rmt.

Of course you cannot be as successful *at the same time* as someone who plays more hours per week. But over time you can achieve that same success. All that matters is whether the journey is fun. Indeed there will be great competition driving these developers to produce more fun content.

SE *loses* money because of RMT. A lot of it. Just like Barry Bonds loses marketing and advertising revenue because the masses think he is a cheater. Just like Allakhazam/Zam will lose a ton of money, has lost tons of potential profit, by associating themselves with cheaters.

Take a look at SE's bottom line. I'm sure they got a crystal clear very louc message following the holiday super sale. If they were making money from it, they wouldn't crack down on RMT at all, and most importantly players wouldn't complain about rmt at all. Because players do complain about RMT that's important market demand information. You'd be a fool to ignore it. MMORPG comapanies will make many times more money by eliminating rmt than by allowing it to rampage unchecked, or even better by taking over RMT.

Let's just see a company like SE offer everything in the game for a cash price from the model airship furnsihing to the scorpion harness to the relic weapon. If that model was gonna work, it would have worked before now. That's the very first thing any competent businessman would think of. The reason we haven't seen that and won't ever see that succeed is because the mass market would quit that "game" (which suddenly no longer is a game) en masse droves. If such a policy would kill ffxi as a cash cow for ffxi, it's simple conceptual extension to see that IGE has the same effect on their bottom line.

An alleged "Celisse," from Gilgamesh lol.

*Note that info can be found under the poster's details ;o

Again, I have to reiterate the points that it's about GIL in circulation, as opposed to GIL in existence, that actually matters for inflation.

SE needs to keep a public record of wealth, like Fortune Magazine for Van'Diel, for about a dozen very good reasons. Not the least of these reasons is that it gives people an incentive to save money and thus adds the one economic incentive that Van'Diel is seriously missing: an impetus to save for reasons other than spending down the road. SE should publicize the richest characters' wealth.

Also, the economy needs to move away from NPCs for any reason other than GIL sinks--a crude mechanism for SE to remove GIL from the game when the economy grows too much. When all necessary items are crafted, or when all quested items are rare/excl, the economy should be able to balance itself out. The key problem with RMT, I think, arises from the non-stop exploitation (I don't mean this in a bad way) of inflationary aspects of the game economy (i.e. mining, fishing, NPC trades, crystals...and any other drops that come out of nowhwere and which can be exchanged for GIL). These aspects of the game are obviously not inherently bad--indeed, many of them are necessary--but their exploitation by people who then convert SAVED gil into SPENT gil via RMT transactions is deadly for capacity of the game market to regulate itself via natural pressures.

This is my 2 gil, or I guess, nowadays, 8 gil.

Basset

I don't care where players get their gear, but I definitely care where they get their account. For every uber equiped gil buyer that I benefit from, I've lost thousands of exp to a complete noob playing a rank 8 character. Down with character buying!

If you admit to gilbuying-You're even more of a n00b than I am. And that's truly sad(Good God, I was a warrior who used a sword and shield, and then a pld with mnd plus rings briefly). Even I haven't had the need to buy gil. If someone like me is better than you at a game, there truly is a problem with you.

Will never ever ever happen. Sounds just too good to be true for game developers now doesn't it? Hey they could sell replicas ad infinitum of everything which exists in the real world, and for the same price as is paid for real goods? LMAO, talk about a total *pipe dream*.

The profit margin in the mmorpg has to one of the highest if not the highest for any billion dollar + industry. I'd imagine that big boys are all raking in 90% profit margins. Now what happens in game when someone can make huge profit off of an item or activity? That's right competition comes flooding in.

If anything, we're much more likely to see these games become free, or players get paid by developers to play their game. Hell, I could easily do a corporate sponsorship model within a game like ffxi. Remember the Star Bucks joke picture of the Aht Urhgan coffee house? Such name brand guilds and name band corporate paid sponsored items could possibly generate more cash than the $15 monthly subscription fee. They'll pay to reach you, to be heard by you.

Yup, developers can keep dreaming on if they think they can sell everything in these "games" for cash fees. It's a free market. Feel free to start your own mmorpg game with that business model and see how many customers you get. It's such an obvious developer pipe dream that perhaps some secretly hope that IGE can work. *cough* Sony *cough* Like I said, if it was gonna work, it would have worked already before. Good luck trying to increase prices paid by players when competition comes rushing in to provide better content for a lower price.

Edited, Mon May 8 19:13:17 2006 by MonxDoT

Yeah, I know that's what he meant. And that is a total game developer pipe dream.

You don't see SoE being the #1 dominant player anymore either do you? They've fallen far and hard from when EQ1 reigned supreme.

I'll be long gone by then.

I see your point, and in a way it's inevitable that it will become more common, but you can't deny the harm it does now.

But it's a circle. RMT will be everywhere like this all the time unless game developers take a stand against it, which by the way, they won't. That'll only happen if money stops talking, and money has got alot to say.

It'll continue to get out of hand here, by the time it becomes simply unbearable for the majority, more newer, better MMORPG's will have been made, and people will play those instead. Eventually, RMT will follow the flock, people will get annoyed, years will pass, it'll get unbearable, then they'll move onto another MMORPG. Rinse, repeat. There is no such thing as a popular 3D MMORPG that isn't ****** by RMT, alright? Everquest, WoW, FF11, all are ****** by this, if not as bad as the other now, RMT will catch up. Eventually, all three games will be unbearable, but by the time that happens, other MMORPG's will have been released.

Welcome to the circle. -hugz-

If this was intended for me all I can say is................ OMFG my stomach hurts, that is absolutely hilarious! Why dont you go play the game instead of trolling these forums? Its gonna take you a good long while to even become a portion of what I was on Caitsith.

Yes, and I look half as much a douche as you. Considering you seem to have openly stated you are a noob. What is your max lvl? How long have you been playing? Answer me this, and BTW check the profile. That was my RDM gear, and you could only dream about my WAR gear.

Edit: Considering I started around NA PC release I have nothing to prove, when I say that you should spend less time here its for the fact that you appear to be doing more talking than playing the game itself.

Edited, Mon May 8 23:06:02 2006 by EonsdarkCaitsith

My point was for someone who is not playing much in general, he sure is doing alot of complaining for what little experience he has. He doesnt even have his chocobo license yet. Or his first **** FFS!