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#27 Nov 16 2005 at 2:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Telling the truth is the most blunt and "political incorrect" way does not please a lot of people... But heh that is a good thing in a lot of ways. Not a lot of people accepts a critical story (that is true in a lot of ways).
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#28 Nov 16 2005 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
Well least you know your stuff here. I'd say, 9/10 for this post here, very nice. But I think little more could have been said. But personally. I give this, and my buddies do too. 10/10, fewer posts like this exist, keep it up!
#29 Nov 16 2005 at 2:24 PM Rating: Default
Look at the subject of his post you maggots who are putting him down.
He is addressing those individuals who are NOT in an end-game LS.
So why are you putting him down for saying something that *you* already know about?!
YOU are already in an End-Game LS. Of course you know all about End-Game LS's. He aint wasting his time on you! He dont care about you. Get over it.

He's talking to those that dont know.
#30 Nov 16 2005 at 2:29 PM Rating: Excellent
Even as a HNM LS leader I have to agree with this post, but SE made the game this way and we just do with it the best we can. I would say my LS is currently in Limbo of those discriptions, meaning it is not anyone of them to a "T", but has some aspects of a couple of them (family,established).

What is your suggestion though SS? I am curious to hear what you would come up with that is so much better with the way SE designed the Endgame of FFXI to be like.

I know one alternative is not to experience endgame at all, but I am asking in regards to what would be done different to make endgame betterwith the way SE designed it?
#31 Nov 16 2005 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Look at the subject of his post you maggots who are putting him down.
He is addressing those individuals who are NOT in an end-game LS.
So why are you putting him down for saying something that *you* already know about?!
YOU are already in an End-Game LS. Of course you know all about End-Game LS's. He aint wasting his time on you! He dont care about you. Get over it.

He's talking to those that dont know.


No hes not you ******* Tool.

SS is after one thing and one thing only. He wants attention. Why someone would think he actually had good intentions behind this post is boyond me. He meant it to be witty and sarcastic, but it ended up bgeing boreing and mundane. SS even fails at trolling go figure.

I will admit that it is more accurate then most of the vomit he spews, but other then that...


#32 Nov 16 2005 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
thats the most truthful topic about endgame iv seen in a while, rate up for how well you described the crappy endgame ls. on cerberus theres 1 newbie ls, and 1 laughing stock/rmt/newbie ls, and i got a good laugh at how perfectly your post described them.

#33 Nov 16 2005 at 2:44 PM Rating: Default
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Bah, not your best work.

PS: LOL, that made it into your sig? Haha.... So that means I'm "1337 by association" right?

Damn right I am!
#34 Nov 16 2005 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
rated u up, its all pretty much true, though we all know this yes.

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What is your suggestion though SS? I am curious to hear what you would come up with that is so much better with the way SE designed the Endgame of FFXI to be like.

I know one alternative is not to experience endgame at all, but I am asking in regards to what would be done different to make endgame betterwith the way SE designed it?


actually i am also curious what SS's solution or way of managing an HNMLS would be, good chance for you to prove your intellengent rather then simply a good writter (which i think you are lol)
#35 Nov 16 2005 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
************ u up, its all pretty much true, though we all know this yes.

[quote wrote:
What is your suggestion though SS? I am curious to hear what you would come up with that is so much better with the way SE designed the Endgame of FFXI to be like.

I know one alternative is not to experience endgame at all, but I am asking in regards to what would be done different to make endgame betterwith the way SE designed it?


actually i am also curious what SS's solution or way of managing an HNMLS would be, good chance for you to prove your intellengent rather then simply a good writter (which i think you are lol)[/quote]

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#36 Nov 16 2005 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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As a personal opinion, I do not think there is a solution to this "HNM drama" thing. I can see why SE makes rare items hard to get -- so those items actually worth some meaning.

I myself never too interested in items (I would admit that I do have some interest, but less than than the average-NA or JP Joe player. (Don't even ask me how long take me to get my Noble Tunic @.@)

It is harsh to say -- but I think the only real way to avoid "HNM drama" is not do HNM. I really see no other way out.
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#37 Nov 16 2005 at 8:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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SpinShark wrote:
Given that I've participated in this stuff longer than a lot of you have been playing the game, I know what I'm talking about, and I have better insight than you.


Isn't that like saying you bought the japanese version of the game and play it to the point of having no life? I knew it! You are a japanophile!
#38 Nov 16 2005 at 9:54 PM Rating: Default
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Well, it seems I overlooked the fact that I'm posting on allakhazam, which of course is inhabited mostly by subhuman morons. Only on this site would I have to put up a disclaimer to use common sense.

a few things:

1. the majority of the people here are not at the end-game stage yet. If you are, then you might have seen similar stuff during your own experiences with the end-game. This thread is for those with no HNMLS experience, not you. This should be obvious given the title. Clear now, dumb *****?

2. Unless you have been in the HNM scene, you don't "know" anything. You just "know" hearsay you've seen on forums; you have no experience.

3. This is not just a rehash of old info. This is my personal breakdown of HNMLS as a whole. Given that I've participated in this stuff longer than a lot of you have been playing the game, I know what I'm talking about, and I have better insight than you. If I confirmed what you already "knew" or suspected, that the end-game is a joke, then that's just dandy.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled retardation


You just love telling yourself you are so damn superior to all of us aren't you?

Your so ******* cool you know more then me at the HNMLS scene, or do you? Don't assume ****, you don't know me, you don't know if my SAM is the only job i've ever played.

What is posted on this site about end-game is accurate unless stated not, and anyone who reads it knows as more about it then you do, but before you start flaming me thinking ive never been in one, i have, and i am currently.

Is that all you do, go on alla, make threads with a flashy opinion with some already known facts so you can get attention and feel more superior to all of us? Wow.
#39 Nov 16 2005 at 11:43 PM Rating: Decent
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The OP can be used as a form-letter for all games. Just replace "HNM LS" with "Raiding Guild" and you can apply it to all the rest of the MMOs.
#40 Nov 17 2005 at 2:03 AM Rating: Good
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#41 Nov 17 2005 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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You forgot the Zerg HNM linkshells. The LSs that actually have 64 people, and defeat monsters by sheer numbers, instead of any strategy or skill.
#42 Nov 17 2005 at 11:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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The Glorious BlixofFenrir wrote:
SS is always right. It's just that usually his threads offend 9/10th of the board so they're nuked.

Note how his nuked threads apply to most people here's lifeastyle? I thought so.

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Or perhaps they are nuked because he can't write a single damn post without several blanket insults to the entire community. I've never seen such unwarranted, unfocused hatred in any other poster here. It doesn't matter if you think he's right or funny, he still hates you. There is only room for one on the little throne he made for himself.
#43 Nov 17 2005 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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If you like endgame/nm ls's like the above stated then all the more power to you but over the last couple years here's what I observed and no I've never been in one becasue they all seemed kind of scammy.........


I just don't understand why anyone would bother with one.

I've seen quite a few that you hunt nm's or BCNM's and then the linkshell gets a large portion of the profits like 50%+ and the rest is split among participants. In other words it was some kid 2 years ago that started it all saying hey I have a good idea to scam people out of alot of gil.....

I haven't looked at the NMLS/endgame sites in over a year so maybe the LS leaders are no longer taking the 50%+ profits but back then I decided ***** that. Sounded like a 2 level pyramid scheme to me. LS leader is the block on top of the pyramid and everyone else was on the second level spliting minimal profits. I've heard of a few that floped eventually because the leader would just disappear, almost as if the leader was someone on their mule taking large amounts of money then transfer it to main character

If this still goes on you can bet alot of these leaders are gill sellers no doubt. Not saaying anyone is just an observation I made when they first started poping up.
#44 Nov 17 2005 at 11:58 AM Rating: Decent
Well I am a leader that cannot afford a 2nd Soil Ring or a Gigant Mantle for my Paladin yet. Why you ask? because I split all gil with my LS for how much effort they put in. Alot of the time some of my LS memebrs will get more gil from God drops than me because I may have to leave early or start late, threfore they accumulate more points.
#45 Nov 17 2005 at 12:28 PM Rating: Excellent
Here is my theory on Endgame Shells and why everyone thinks they are so bad.

So you hit level 75 and want to start with Endgame activities. You know nothing of Sky, HNM's, or pop NM's. Yet you want to join the 1337 HNMLS where all the members have Osodes, kill the 3 Kings weekly, and destory Dynamis X every attempt.

You look past the other newer endgame shells with alot of friends you met your level that you partied with alot on your way to level 75. You do not want to put in the hard work to join with your friends and experience these endgame activites for the first time with them. No you want to be leet yourself and get everything handed to you so you apply to these other Shells and become a peon that they could careless wether you stay with them or not. You are just another Body.

Your friend's shell struggles because they need you badly. Your Blackmage (example) skills is what they lack to get rolling along. Where if you join them they would be in debt to you and reward you anyway they can for your help. Though your greed has got the best of you and you decide to join the 1337 Shell and be thier 17th Black Mage.

This shell treats you like crap. You mean nothing to them. You get Zenith mitts right away, but then become thier slave. They harass you to be at every event while other Blm's level thier level 9 Paladin's in Gustaberg. You never see another drop come your way and the 100k you make off 2 weeks of Sky farming barely even covers the gil you spent on oils and powders.

Your friends shell disbands because others see the 1337 get rich quickly with out any hard work illusions and all slowly leave that shell to join other leet Shells. Most of them end up getting same treatment you did, some stay and deal with it, others start to shell hop, some quit endgame, and some even quit the game altogether.

Then all of you and your friends become bitter and come on here and talk about how endgame sucks and you got screwed. When the fact is, if you all just worked hard together and stuck it out you would be having a great time with eachother killing things you never thought possible.

All newer endgame shells that work do not use the LS bank crap. They split the gil between all thier memebrs and keep things as fair as possible. Where as the elite longtime LS's have what they desire, have enough memebrs, and treat thier core members with riches ( You know the ones who were there when the 1337 shell was a newbie shell still) and **** on all the newcomers because they know as they leave more will come.

So before condemning endgame, SE, and all HNMLS leaders and memebrs. I ask that you please take a look at yourself first.

Were you the players that stuck it out with your friends. Died many times for your shell. Got lost in Sky learning with others. Helped your friends get established?

Or were you that player that saw riches and left your friends to join the L337 shell that has now become bitter because things did not work out as you planned?
#46 Nov 17 2005 at 12:29 PM Rating: Decent
edite: dbl post.

Edited, Fri Nov 18 17:35:34 2005 by Proroc
#47 Nov 17 2005 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, I found the post quite funny. I'm not a member of a HNML and I have no desire to join one. I'm here to to play a game and have fun. HNMLs to me are the antithesis to fun.

I'll probably never get a Noble's Tunic and all the (to use the new word of the day) e-***** items, but that's ok. I'm not going to cry over a few pixels. The one thing I do wish for is that we had more end-game activites.

By the way, I rated you up SpinShark. Not anywhere near Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal, but a good satirical essay never-the-less.
#48 Nov 20 2005 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Well I have to say, its the first time I've seen a post of utter Truth on Allakhazam that didn't get slammed into the Karma basement.


Everything in this post, and his companion post, is true for probably 90% of HNM and Dynamis LS on all servers.

He did neglect one thing. Take the Newly minted level 75 player, who prior to this has been helpful, fun, and a great person respected by many, and put them in the HNM environment for a few weeks and watch them become surly, selfish, greedy, and miserable to everyone who knew them. I would say the inherently poisonous atmosphere of an HNMLS has done this to a great many people in this game. Sadly.
#49 Nov 21 2005 at 1:43 AM Rating: Decent
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and SpinShark for the win!

Rate up for this one.. so true it's not even a joke.

Wow! Attack of the Karma Bombers..

As I always say.. here's your reason:

F*ck you.. you C*m Guzzling Gutter Sl*ts!

Their you go!! Your Reason!

Edited, Tue Nov 22 06:46:28 2005 by Zosowindrunner
#50 Nov 21 2005 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
This one didn't make any sense to me.

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"Family" LS: These are a farce. They pretend like they foment a "family" atmosphere - free of the usual HNM drama, but they eventually cave to job demands, item greed, backstabbing, and finger pointing like every other HNM shell that has ever existed. you'll realize that this "tight-knit" feeling is quickly lost when you see that every single day you log on, there's some random new person in the shell due to job and body demands. Each new person has the potential to introduce conflict into the "happy-go-lucky" LS. Not just new people upset the balance of these shells, but long-time LS
members who become jaded also do this.



This one is the most like the one I am in, but I haven't experienced any greed or jealousy from any members in over 5 months of constant dynamises and sky. Hell, they're so generous 3 people lotting on Seiryu's Kote passed at the same time because they wanted the other 2 to have it. I think you're wrong on this one SpinShark. I think every LS has the potential to be a happy greed free environment, maybe it is because of our leader's requirement that you're a nice person to join. I hope everyone else gets the luck of an LS like mine. Believe me or not, I dont care, that's my take on this. Pure gold besides this part SpinShark, sometimes you're too cynical or maybe I'm just too naive.

edit grammar

Edited, Mon Nov 21 02:07:04 2005 by sonicmonkeys
#51 Nov 21 2005 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually, I found the post quite funny. I'm not a member of a HNML and I have no desire to join one. I'm here to to play a game and have fun. HNMLs to me are the antithesis to fun.

I'll probably never get a Noble's Tunic and all the (to use the new word of the day) e-***** items, but that's ok. I'm not going to cry over a few pixels. The one thing I do wish for is that we had more end-game activites.


Ditto, im like you on this one.

to the OP good post.
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